Think Socialist

[Aurora Novus]

Don't tell me you're another Stalinist nutjob.

Marxist-Leninist.

So Stalinism.

If you think that's a rebuttle against me, it's you, not I, that doesn't understand what Socialism In One Country is.

You said that Lenin said that socialism can be built in the USSR, but it will not be the 'final victory'. That's exactly what Stalin said in the extract I provided.

Yes. That was also not the only thing I stated about it. Socialism In One Country is not the same as saying "hey guys, we can build our own socialist nation now!" I should hope, as a self-proclaimed supporter of such an idea, you'd be intellectually honest enough to recognize that fact.

[Vilkavis]

Yes. That was also not the only thing I stated about it. Socialism In One Country is not the same as saying "hey guys, we can build our own socialist nation now!" I should hope, as a self-proclaimed supporter of such an idea, you'd be intellectually honest enough to recognize that fact.

Yes? I'm afraid I don't really know what you're asking.

[Aurora Novus]

Vilkavis their all entrenched capitalist apologists

You're more than welcome to stop mischaracterizing me whenever you please. Not once have I defended Capitalism in this thread or elsewhere.

personally I gave a while ago trying to have an actual debate with them.

You know them rejecting anything I said us Stalinist bullshit

Because everything you said was self-admitted to being Stalinist, and ergo, bullshit.

and calling me nationalist,idiot,Stalinist luckey and stuff made rather angry.

Well I never called you an idiot (though I did indirectly call you a creep and a gangster), but that you are a Stalinist is something you yourself claimed to be, and that you are a nationalist follows from that. Accept reality.

Also calling anything Stalin wrote us a monsters designs....Because you know dehumanizing people is so in fashion these days.

I never dehumanized Stalin. He did write, advocate, and do monstrous things. Things no human being should ever have done. He was entirely human, and a shining example of the worst of us.


Now, your worthless emotional appeals aside, do you have any intention of actually defending your beliefs any further? Or are you happy with the shambles I left them in earlier?

[Aurora Novus]

Yes. That was also not the only thing I stated about it. Socialism In One Country is not the same as saying "hey guys, we can build our own socialist nation now!" I should hope, as a self-proclaimed supporter of such an idea, you'd be intellectually honest enough to recognize that fact.

Yes? I'm afraid I don't really know what you're asking.

It wasn't a question. It was a statement.

You're taking a statement I made about Lenin's beliefs, and saying that because of that statement, he believed in Socialism In One Country. I'm telling you that's incorrect, and it's intellectually dishonest to make such an assertion. Socialism In One Country is not just the belief that one nation can have Socialism. It's more complex than that. If you don't acknowledge that, I can only conclude you either (1) are being intellectually dishonest, or (2) are talking out of your ass, and don't actually know anything about the ideology you are defending.

[Vilkavis]

You're taking a statement I made about Lenin's beliefs, and saying that because of that statement, he believed in Socialism In One Country. I'm telling you that's incorrect, and it's intellectually dishonest to make such an assertion. Socialism In One Country is not just the belief that one nation can have Socialism. It's more complex than that. If you don't acknowledge that, I can only conclude you either (1) are being intellectually dishonest, or (2) are talking out of your ass, and don't actually know anything about the ideology you are defending.

Then elaborate. What specific part of Socialism in One Country has your panties in a twist?

I never claimed that SiOC was as simple as, 'hey guys, we can build our own socialist nation now!'

[Aurora Novus]

I never claimed that SiOC was as simple as, 'hey guys, we can build our own socialist nation now!'

On the contrary, that's exactly what you claimed, when you quoted Stalin, and pointed out he said something similar to the effect of what Lenin said, and used that quotation as an attempt to destroy my point that Lenin did not support the idea of Socialism In One Country. Again, I must insist you show more intellectual honesty than you are.

[Sibirsky]

How about giving a source/evidence to show that they have wanked instead of giving a biased view of capitalist nations?

Do I need to?

Do I need to say anything about the wests neocolonialist attacks on other countries?

The rampant crime and poverty?

The Rape culture whose roots originate from capitalism itself?

Capitalism is opposed to colonialism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wy4Sigqd3A

[CTALNH]

Do I need to?

Do I need to say anything about the wests neocolonialist attacks on other countries?

The rampant crime and poverty?

The Rape culture whose roots originate from capitalism itself?

Capitalism is opposed to colonialism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wy4Sigqd3A

Lenin what is imperialism?

Capitalism in a monopoly stage.

[Free Tristania]

Capitalism is opposed to colonialism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wy4Sigqd3A

Lenin what is imperialism?

Capitalism in a monopoly stage.

While communism is exactly the same. You, for one, actually believe (and you explained that in a PM-exchange a while back) that communism should be forced upon others. Everywhere the same model as based on the conspiracy by only a couple of people that would absolute control of a nation for the benefit of no one but themselves.

[Cubestan]

Democratic socialism beats communism any day.

[CTALNH]

Lenin what is imperialism?

Capitalism in a monopoly stage.

While communism is exactly the same. You, for one, actually believe (and you explained that in a PM-exchange a while back) that communism should be forced upon others. Everywhere the same model as based on the conspiracy by only a couple of people that would absolute control of a nation for the benefit of no one but themselves.

Yes I have Blanquist tendencies your point is?

Yeah I already know both Stalin and Lenin would probably say:Yeah mass movement of the people aren't we forgetting about that part?

[Kaspias]

It's sad how many idiots still believe in Socialism/Communism

[Draakonite]

While communism is exactly the same. You, for one, actually believe (and you explained that in a PM-exchange a while back) that communism should be forced upon others. Everywhere the same model as based on the conspiracy by only a couple of people that would absolute control of a nation for the benefit of no one but themselves.

Yes I have Blanquist tendencies your point is?

Yeah I already know both Stalin and Lenin would probably say:Yeah mass movement of the people aren't we forgetting about that part?

You know, i want to see a source showing that the majority of people pre revolution was communist.

[CTALNH]

Yes I have Blanquist tendencies your point is?

Yeah I already know both Stalin and Lenin would probably say:Yeah mass movement of the people aren't we forgetting about that part?

You know, i want to see a source showing that the majority of people pre revolution was communist.

where in Russia?

FUCK NO they weren't....

1 communist per 100 workers and 1 communist per 1000 farmers were the actual statistics.

In the Russian elections pre October revolution they had like 23% of the people voting for them.

[Free Tristania]

Yes I have Blanquist tendencies your point is?

Yeah I already know both Stalin and Lenin would probably say:Yeah mass movement of the people aren't we forgetting about that part?

You know, i want to see a source showing that the majority of people pre revolution was communist.

Close to no one was. Particularly not in conservative, devoudly Christian Russia.

[Draakonite]

You know, i want to see a source showing that the majority of people pre revolution was communist.

where in Russia?

FUCK NO they weren't....

1 communist per 100 workers and 1 communist per 1000 farmers were the actual statistics.

In the Russian elections pre October revolution they had like 23% of the people voting for them.

Sorry, misinterpreted your quote.
How should a system which is opposed by the majority, especially if it even tries to be democratic, successfull?

[Free Tristania]

where in Russia?

FUCK NO they weren't....

1 communist per 100 workers and 1 communist per 1000 farmers were the actual statistics.

In the Russian elections pre October revolution they had like 23% of the people voting for them.

Sorry, misinterpreted your quote.
How should a system which is opposed by the majority, especially if it even tries to be democratic, successfull?

Not at all. Russia could have become either a constitutional monarchy and a parliamentary democracy, leaving the war by 1917, 1918 or eventually a republic and parliamentary democracy if it hadn't been for the commies adding another 5 to 7 million to the pile of dead World War I Russians by plunching the country into a revolution, followed by a civil war. Never mind the 30 million + dead under Stalin.

[Aurora Novus]

where in Russia?

FUCK NO they weren't....

1 communist per 100 workers and 1 communist per 1000 farmers were the actual statistics.

In the Russian elections pre October revolution they had like 23% of the people voting for them.

Sorry, misinterpreted your quote.
How should a system which is opposed by the majority, especially if it even tries to be democratic, successfull?

It can't be. It will descend into tyranny if it tries. Socialism will only ever work if the majority of the population supports it.

[CTALNH]

Sorry, misinterpreted your quote.
How should a system which is opposed by the majority, especially if it even tries to be democratic, successfull?

Not at all. Russia could have become either a constitutional monarchy and a parliamentary democracy, leaving the war by 1917, 1918 or eventually a republic and parliamentary democracy if it hadn't been for the commies adding another 5 to 7 million to the pile of dead World War I Russians by plunching the country into a revolution, followed by a civil war. Never mind the 30 million + dead under Stalin.

Nothing is ever our fault.

[Free Tristania]

Not at all. Russia could have become either a constitutional monarchy and a parliamentary democracy, leaving the war by 1917, 1918 or eventually a republic and parliamentary democracy if it hadn't been for the commies adding another 5 to 7 million to the pile of dead World War I Russians by plunching the country into a revolution, followed by a civil war. Never mind the 30 million + dead under Stalin.

Nothing is ever our fault.

Of course not. Communism was worse than the Nazi's. Even worse than Crapitalism. Which is bad enough as it is.

[CTALNH]

Sorry, misinterpreted your quote.
How should a system which is opposed by the majority, especially if it even tries to be democratic, successfull?

It can't be. It will descend into tyranny if it tries. Socialism will only ever work if the majority of the population supports it.

Revolution!

[Aurora Novus]

Nothing is ever our fault.

Of course not. Communism Stalinism was worse than the Nazi's. Even worse than Crapitalism. Which is bad enough as it is.

Fix'd.

[Free Tristania]

It can't be. It will descend into tyranny if it tries. Socialism will only ever work if the majority of the population supports it.

Revolution!

Won't happen.

[Free Tristania]

Of course not. Communism Stalinism was worse than the Nazi's. Even worse than Crapitalism. Which is bad enough as it is.

Fix'd.

How about Maoism, Hoxhaism, Marxism-Leninism, Juche and all the other sickening variants. Communism has killed around 100 to 200 million people worldwide since it's sickening conception.

[CTALNH]

Of course not. Communism Stalinism was worse than the Nazi's. Even worse than Crapitalism. Which is bad enough as it is.

Fix'd.

Your losing your credibility on me by the minute.