Think Socialist

[Kamchastkia]

Good Sir, you are misinformed. Please thank your local education center for your incorrect information .

Good thing I was able to learn about socialism by myself and make my own opinions

Same .

[Sollis]

These are?

How about Nanny State, income redistribution, and large government.

The only income redistribution has been to the wealthiest, following a conservative bail-out plan. Also, large government? The patriot act was signed by Bush, not Obama. The only things Obama has managed to get done has been through the good graces of a Congress-held-hostage by Neoconservative republicans that bring the GOP to shame.

[Common Territories]

You must not know what Socialism is good sir. Im not and I know these three are all signs of it.

Socialism is the worker ownership of the means of production.

so·cial·ism
ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/
noun
1.
a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism

Oh, nice spin. OK then. Let me explain then.

1: Obama's tax increase (not including the Obamacare tax related increases for now, only the increases to higher earners) is a form of redistribution. As you know, taking tax money to "help the smaller earners" is redistribution (your "distribution") of wealth. In this form also is the nanny state for which he is creating.
2: Production. You mean his handling of helping green companies with funds and support while doing anything he can to stop oil companies? Unless you don't this socialist enough, let me explain simply: He is supporting green companies with money and other support while stopping oil profits growth. Or if this example isn't enough for you, how about the unlimited amounts of regulations his administration (Obama's) is making annually?
3: So without going into more with the Nanny state and increase in taxes (and redistribution), lets provide this definition of Socialism: "An economic and political system based on public or collective ownership of the means of production. Socialism emphasizes equality rather than achievement, and values workers by the amount of time they put in rather than by the amount of value they produce. It also makes individuals dependent on the state for everything from food to health care. China, Vietnam and Cuba are examples of modern-day socialist societies. Twentieth-century socialist governments were overthrown in Czechoslovakia, East Germany and the U.S.S.R." provided from here, http://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/socialism.asp, rather than Google search.

[Blasveck]

Socialism is the worker ownership of the means of production.

so·cial·ism
ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/
noun
1.
a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism

Oh, nice spin. OK then. Let me explain then.

1: Obama's tax increase (not including the Obamacare tax related increases for now, only the increases to higher earners) is a form of redistribution. As you know, taking tax money to "help the smaller earners" is redistribution (your "distribution") of wealth. In this form also is the nanny state for which he is creating.
2: Production. You mean his handling of helping green companies with funds and support while doing anything he can to stop oil companies? Unless you don't this socialist enough, let me explain simply: He is supporting green companies with money and other support while stopping oil profits growth. Or if this example isn't enough for you, how about the unlimited amounts of regulations his administration (Obama's) is making annually?
3: So without going into more with the Nanny state and increase in taxes (and redistribution), lets provide this definition of Socialism: "An economic and political system based on public or collective ownership of the means of production. Socialism emphasizes equality rather than achievement, and values workers by the amount of time they put in rather than by the amount of value they produce. It also makes individuals dependent on the state for everything from food to health care. China, Vietnam and Cuba are examples of modern-day socialist societies. Twentieth-century socialist governments were overthrown in Czechoslovakia, East Germany and the U.S.S.R." provided from here, http://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/socialism.asp, rather than Google search.

1. Redistribution of wealth =/= socialism
2. Favoring green companies over oil companies =/= socialism
3. China, Vietnam, Cuba, and the USSR? Socialist?

Do you need the dictionary definition again, or do you want more?

[Mkuki]

Socialism is good and all, but I prefer social democracy.

[Pacifornia]

Oh, nice spin. OK then. Let me explain then.

1: Obama's tax increase (not including the Obamacare tax related increases for now, only the increases to higher earners) is a form of redistribution. As you know, taking tax money to "help the smaller earners" is redistribution (your "distribution") of wealth. In this form also is the nanny state for which he is creating.
2: Production. You mean his handling of helping green companies with funds and support while doing anything he can to stop oil companies? Unless you don't this socialist enough, let me explain simply: He is supporting green companies with money and other support while stopping oil profits growth. Or if this example isn't enough for you, how about the unlimited amounts of regulations his administration (Obama's) is making annually?
3: So without going into more with the Nanny state and increase in taxes (and redistribution), lets provide this definition of Socialism: "An economic and political system based on public or collective ownership of the means of production. Socialism emphasizes equality rather than achievement, and values workers by the amount of time they put in rather than by the amount of value they produce. It also makes individuals dependent on the state for everything from food to health care. China, Vietnam and Cuba are examples of modern-day socialist societies. Twentieth-century socialist governments were overthrown in Czechoslovakia, East Germany and the U.S.S.R." provided from here, http://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/socialism.asp, rather than Google search.

1. Redistribution of wealth =/= socialism
2. Favoring green companies over oil companies =/= socialism
3. China, Vietnam, Cuba, and the USSR? Socialist?

Do you need the dictionary definition again, or do you want more?

Fire at will sir/ma'am!

[The Scientific States]

Socialism is good and all, but I prefer social democracy.

A few months ago I was strongly in favor of social democracy, but I've found my views have shifted to democratic socialism, after realizing that, in my opinion, democratic socialism is more fair and equal for all.

[The Scientific States]

These are?

How about Nanny State, income redistribution, and large government.

Socialism is the cooperative ownership of property, business etc, while being a classless society that seeks to eliminate hierarchy.

Everything you mentioned is not socialist, and he hasn't redistributed wealth, income inequality is at its highest rate.

[Mkuki]

Socialism is good and all, but I prefer social democracy.

A few months ago I was strongly in favor of social democracy, but I've found my views have shifted to democratic socialism, after realizing that, in my opinion, democratic socialism is more fair and equal for all.

Would you mind explaining just what democratic socialism is?* I've heard posters say on NSG that the term "democratic socialism" is redundant.



*Beyond the Wikipedia definition that is.

[The Scientific States]

A few months ago I was strongly in favor of social democracy, but I've found my views have shifted to democratic socialism, after realizing that, in my opinion, democratic socialism is more fair and equal for all.

Would you mind explaining just what democratic socialism is?* I've heard posters say on NSG that the term "democratic socialism" is redundant.



*Beyond the Wikipedia definition that is.

It has a vague definition, but the wikipedia definition does a decent job summing it up, it's essentially reaching socialism through anti-elitist decentralized and grassroots means. The word democratic comes from using democracy to reach socialism, but also democracy in the workplace and the economy.

[Mkuki]

Would you mind explaining just what democratic socialism is?* I've heard posters say on NSG that the term "democratic socialism" is redundant.



*Beyond the Wikipedia definition that is.

It has a vague definition, but the wikipedia definition does a decent job summing it up, it's essentially reaching socialism through anti-elitist decentralized and grassroots means. The word democratic comes from using democracy to reach socialism, but also democracy in the workplace and the economy.

How does it differ from social democracy?

[The Scientific States]

It has a vague definition, but the wikipedia definition does a decent job summing it up, it's essentially reaching socialism through anti-elitist decentralized and grassroots means. The word democratic comes from using democracy to reach socialism, but also democracy in the workplace and the economy.

How does it differ from social democracy?

Social democracy uses the capitalist market system, democratic socialism does not.

I would also like to point out that social democracy is supposed to lead to democratic socialism, or at least according to the original social democrats.

[Trotskylvania]

It has a vague definition, but the wikipedia definition does a decent job summing it up, it's essentially reaching socialism through anti-elitist decentralized and grassroots means. The word democratic comes from using democracy to reach socialism, but also democracy in the workplace and the economy.

How does it differ from social democracy?

Social democracy was the ad hoc system created when socialists came to power via election, and found themselves having to manage the excesses of capitalism, and ultimately failing to enact a transformative political program.

Democratic socialism is usually a term used by people who desire an economic system where workers' control of the means of production has been established, but shy away from revolutionary means to get it.

[Mkuki]

How does it differ from social democracy?

Social democracy uses the capitalist market system, democratic socialism does not.

I would also like to point out that social democracy is supposed to lead to democratic socialism, or at least according to the original social democrats.

Ah. I see. Don't know if I'd like that. Where would I be without Paradox Interactive? He said half-jokingly.

[Slobozhanshchyna]

Social democracy uses the capitalist market system, democratic socialism does not.

I would also like to point out that social democracy is supposed to lead to democratic socialism, or at least according to the original social democrats.

Ah. I see. Don't know if I'd like that. Where would I be without Paradox Interactive? He said half-jokingly.

Well, you'd be a proud co-owner of it along with the rest of society. Sounds great for me.

[Mkuki]

Ah. I see. Don't know if I'd like that. Where would I be without Paradox Interactive? He said half-jokingly.

Well, you'd be a proud co-owner of it along with the rest of society. Sounds great for me.

I'm not sure how that works given that I'm neither a citizen of Sweden.

[Slobozhanshchyna]

Well, you'd be a proud co-owner of it along with the rest of society. Sounds great for me.

I'm not sure how that works given that I'm neither a citizen of Sweden.

Of course you're not sure, we don't have global socialism...yet.

[Mkuki]

I'm not sure how that works given that I'm neither a citizen of Sweden.

Of course you're not sure, we don't have global socialism...yet.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiight.

[Collective America]

Real socialists are pro-gun. Im also against big government.

Anti-statism anti-capitalism

[Cameroi]

think removing all ideological barriers to governments doing the right things. to justifying their existence in moral, useful, and reasonable ways.

to loving all their people and their environments and not seeking to harm each other.

that is the same dream that has motivated the formation of all organized religion. it is one, well within the human capacity, to achieve.

this is not a reaction nor an opposition, but only what is natural and reasonable.

[Slobozhanshchyna]

think removing all ideological barriers to governments doing the right things. to justifying their existence in moral, useful, and reasonable ways.

to loving all their people and their environments and not seeking to harm each other.

that is the same dream that has motivated the formation of all organized religion. it is one, well within the human capacity, to achieve.

this is not a reaction nor an opposition, but only what is natural and reasonable.

You realise that's insane, right? You're talking about a utopia Communists, Anarchists and others alike dream of. Yet a utopia is a utopia, hence cannot be achieved(or can, depending on your opinion), so deal with it, hippie. I personally would love to live in a communist society, though in reality all the noble things may get stuck on socialism. Yet there's no need to abandon the idea, mainly because it's... well, humanist, fair and just(I'm talking about democratic socialism now so stalinists can GTFO)

An ideology is not something to be turned into a dogma(as it happened to marxism in the USSR), it is a complex of principles by which to improve society. Marxism is a science that needs constant improvement and renovation.

From Wikipedia:

An ideology is a set of conscious and unconscious ideas that constitute one's goals, expectations and actions. An ideology is a comprehensive vision, a way of looking at things (compare worldview) as in several philosophical tendencies (see political ideologies), or a set of ideas proposed by the dominant class of a society to all members of this society (a "received consciousness" or product of socialization).

So please, stop propagating that

semi-sane bullshit of yours.

[The Parkus Empire]

Real socialists are pro-gun. Im also against big government.

Anti-statism anti-capitalism

"Real" socialists are for perpetuating the phallic symbol of Western hegemony and masculinity?

[Mkuki]

Real socialists are pro-gun. Im also against big government.

Anti-statism anti-capitalism

"Real" socialists are for perpetuating the phallic symbol of Western hegemony and masculinity?

Hardly.

[Sibirsky]

MOD EDIT: Removed "Leftists Only" from the title. Really, we don't do exclusive threads here.

So much for a classless society, that the mods have to enforce it.

Hmm...

Free market socialism is the only viable socialism.

[Lipnitia]

I've read a book about socialism and now I tend to like it...