Think Socialist

[The Scientific States]

Socialism is largely irrelevant... and I have no interest in being expropriated so...

How is it irrelevant?

[Arumdaum]

You... do realize my sig isn't serious, right?

I thought the "barbarian influences," being anti-foreigner and anti-gender equality, "traditional values," "yogurt," "nomads," "scholarly habits," and "cameras" would have brought it out, or perhaps a look at my political compass or info. I would have added in foot-binding to the pro, but I thought that'd be too weird. The blue color for the "pro" is a reference to there being no difference between the names for the colors blue and green in Korean and Japanese.

A lot of people here use blue for "pro" in their sigs.

Yeah... I've sort of realized that.

[Pacifornia]

What are your guy's opinion on Salvador Allende? He was a good example of a politician advocating for democratic socialism.

I don't know a whole lot about him, but he seems decent.

It's not concise but I took a quick read. Very interesting man, he even telegrammed Hitler denouncing the anti-Jewish laws.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvador_Allende

[The Scientific States]

I don't know a whole lot about him, but he seems decent.

It's not concise but I took a quick read. Very interesting man, he even telegrammed Hitler denouncing the anti-Jewish laws.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvador_Allende

I just finished reading about him(googled him 10-15 minutes ago)Do you think it was suicide or assassination?

[The Parkus Empire]

It's more comparable to East Germany.

Yeah, it's more comparable to East Germany, except with a lot less calls for nuking the people living there into oblivion.

I saying that if you dislike East Germany it obviously doesn't mean you dislike Germans.

[Arumdaum]

What are your guy's opinion on Salvador Allende? He was a good example of a politician advocating for democratic socialism.

Really glad that the right-wing vote was split, haha. The way that CIA acted to hurt his success makes me pretty pissed.

However, I honestly don't know much about him or what he did, but it seems like he was a pretty swell guy.

[Kaspias]

It's failed over and over again, if you believe it could work then you're as ignorant as the idiot who created it

Y'know, except that the vast majority of human history involved people living in primitive communist societies, and that you also probably don't even know what communism is.

did you honestly think I was serious with that, it was mostly trying to mirror the stupidity coming from the guy you've been arguing for quite some time
EDIT: and although I may be a dedicated capitalist, im not going to come on here and seriously say that, i respect your opinion, and i know i wont change it, just as you wont change mine, and you're right, i dont have an in depth understanding of communism but i know enough to get by

[Pacifornia]

It's not concise but I took a quick read. Very interesting man, he even telegrammed Hitler denouncing the anti-Jewish laws.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvador_Allende

I just finished reading about him(googled him 10-15 minutes ago)Do you think it was suicide or assassination?

Tough one. I wouldn't put it ahead of Pinochet's thugs to kill Allende. But I'd like to see the autopsy reports if possible.

[Aurora Novus]

Stalinism was highly nationalistic. Are you even aware of the history of the movement you claim to support?

Highly nationalistic?Are you high?

Let alone the fact that Socialism In One Country is a nationalistic idea, national ideas of the "russian people" were played up during his reign, particularly around WWII. The national anthem was changed from The Internationale to the first incarnation of the Soviet anthem.

Please, learn the history of your own movement.

The Chinese,Spanish,Cubans,Koreans,Yugoslavians and Che Guevara himself disagree with your opinion.

Really not helping your case there.

[Pacifornia]

What are your guy's opinion on Salvador Allende? He was a good example of a politician advocating for democratic socialism.

Really glad that the right-wing vote was split, haha. The way that CIA acted to hurt his success makes me pretty pissed.

However, I honestly don't know much about him or what he did, but it seems like he was a pretty swell guy.

The Cold War made my country do some pretty crappy things like this and the subtle intervention in Afghanistan during the 80s. He was pretty cool though he wasn't perfect. I'd like to read more on Eugene Debs though.

[Aurora Novus]

Citing sources like China and North Korea is really not helping your case.

I do not care what their current form and doings are.Did they or did they not help the people I said.

Did North Korea help it's people? Is this a serious question?

[The Scientific States]

I just finished reading about him(googled him 10-15 minutes ago)Do you think it was suicide or assassination?

Tough one. I wouldn't put it ahead of Pinochet's thugs to kill Allende. But I'd like to see the autopsy reports if possible.

I'm reading up on it, and trying to form an opinion. It's tough because of the lack of info on the subject.

[Aurora Novus]

No, I support a global classless structure without a bourgeoisie preempting 99.9% (that's a global estimate, it's more around 90% in the U.S.) of the wealth of workers' production for their own luxury and power.

What you support will turn in to a global version of North Korea .

How on earth is supporting Marxist Socialism ever going to turn into North Korea?

[Shnercropolis]

My friend, an avid communist, and I have debated this a lot. We arrived at the conclusion that since I have skills that would be rewarded in any society, I should not really worry about what kind I live in so long as I know who to sidle up to.

I am the old guy

[Aurora Novus]

You don't dislike theocracy, starvation and totalitarianism?

There's more to North Korea than that, and you know it.

That's all you need, however, to hate it's government.

[Arumdaum]

Really glad that the right-wing vote was split, haha. The way that CIA acted to hurt his success makes me pretty pissed.

However, I honestly don't know much about him or what he did, but it seems like he was a pretty swell guy.

The Cold War made my country do some pretty crappy things like this and the subtle intervention in Afghanistan during the 80s. He was pretty cool though he wasn't perfect. I'd like to read more on Eugene Debs though.

Ooh, have you read A People's History of the United States yet? I thought it was really interesting.

[Aurora Novus]

You don't dislike theocracy, starvation and totalitarianism?

Does a personality cult really count as theocracy?

I'd argue yes. It at least has the spirit of theocracy in it. Blind leader worship, giving thanks for everything to the Great Leader, ect. North Korea really is Heaven on Earth.

[Arumdaum]

Does a personality cult really count as theocracy?

I'd argue yes. It at least has the spirit of theocracy in it. Blind leader worship, giving thanks for everything to the Great Leader, ect. North Korea really is Heaven on Earth.

Didn't the government release some "study" a while back that said North Korea was the second happiest country, after China?

[Pacifornia]

The Cold War made my country do some pretty crappy things like this and the subtle intervention in Afghanistan during the 80s. He was pretty cool though he wasn't perfect. I'd like to read more on Eugene Debs though.

Ooh, have you read A People's History of the United States yet? I thought it was really interesting.

Gahh! I have so many books on my bucket list but I get sidetracked everyday yes that'll be my next nonfiction book after this book on the history of world communism.

[Arumdaum]

This is why I think communist should never be trusted with power. Because once in power they will act the same way again.

sure

keep on thinking that

[Aurora Novus]

Didn't people finding Stalin's idea more attractive have more to do with the failure of other communist revolutions in Europe, especially the one in Germany?

The Russian people, after two revolutions, a civil war, a world war, and a war with several other nations, were tired, stavring, beat down, and in distress. Russia needed rebuilding. They were tired of fighting. Trotsky promised support for revolution in other countries. Stalin promised focusing on their own interests at home. They chose the latter for understandable reasons.

I'm not seeing how this negates anything I said however.

[Arumdaum]

Didn't people finding Stalin's idea more attractive have more to do with the failure of other communist revolutions in Europe, especially the one in Germany?

The Russian people, after two revolutions, a civil war, a world war, and a war with several other nations, were tired, stavring, beat down, and in distress. Russia needed rebuilding. They were tired of fighting. Trotsky promised support for revolution in other countries. Stalin promised focusing on their own interests at home. They chose the latter for understandable reasons.

I'm not seeing how this negates anything I said however.

I wasn't trying to negate what you said, haha.

[Arumdaum]

Ooh, have you read A People's History of the United States yet? I thought it was really interesting.

Gahh! I have so many books on my bucket list but I get sidetracked everyday yes that'll be my next nonfiction book after this book on the history of world communism.

Ack, same. I got a book on the history of socialism in the US a while back, but I still haven't gotten to reading it yet.

[Aurora Novus]

I'd argue yes. It at least has the spirit of theocracy in it. Blind leader worship, giving thanks for everything to the Great Leader, ect. North Korea really is Heaven on Earth.

Didn't the government release some "study" a while back that said North Korea was the second happiest country, after China?

I'm not aware, but that wouldn't surprise me. It seems like something they would do.

The Russian people, after two revolutions, a civil war, a world war, and a war with several other nations, were tired, stavring, beat down, and in distress. Russia needed rebuilding. They were tired of fighting. Trotsky promised support for revolution in other countries. Stalin promised focusing on their own interests at home. They chose the latter for understandable reasons.

I'm not seeing how this negates anything I said however.

I wasn't trying to negate what you said, haha.

Ah.

[Arumdaum]

Yeah, it's more comparable to East Germany, except with a lot less calls for nuking the people living there into oblivion.

I saying that if you dislike East Germany it obviously doesn't mean you dislike Germans.

I... never claimed that.

This started with the claim that I like theocracy, totalitarianism, and starvation since I didn't dislike NK.