Think Socialist

[Arumdaum]

There's more to North Korea than that, and you know it.

Sure is. What's your point? If you support North Korea, then you're no friend of communists.

Where did you even draw that conclusion?

[Arumdaum]

There's more to North Korea than that, and you know it.

Yes, but it's an extremely authoritarian country and makes a mockery of socialism. The few things that North Korea does right are outweighed very heavily by the huge amount of things they do wrong.

Every day that North Korea remains this way is another slap in the face of every liberal leftist around the world. Deformed workers' states like NK have made dirty words of socialism and communism.

okay

tell me what i don't know

Over 24 million individuals with their own human feelings and emotions, including a large portion of my relatives, naengmyeon, other food that I like, funny-looking traditional hats, poetry, history, some nice architecture, the landscape during the winter and during the spring, the sound of cicadas during the summer, its general interestingness, and more.

Because y'know, nothing exists in a country other than the government. Yup.

Yes, and those 24 million individuals are living under the boot of a totalitarian state which claims to be socialist. Most of the positive aspects of its culture which you have mentioned come from a time before the revolution. Disliking the DPRK does not mean disliking everything about North Korean culture.

Oh pfft. When was this just about disliking the government of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea? It's about disliking the northern half of the peninsula in general. It still snows in the winters, and plants still blossom in the spring before giving way to summer. People still eat buckwheat noodle soup, whether all vinegary or with lots of red pepper paste, and other Korean foods.

Not to mention, this only shows your own ignorance of what's even happened in North Korea, considering they never even had a revolution. The Democratic People's Republic of Korea was established after elections were called off and the Soviets withdrew from the peninsula. Kim Il-sung was installed by the Soviets, who had made a deal with the US to split the peninsula at the 38th parallel while taking the country from Japan in WWII.

And cool. I know. Did you read the above posts, or did you just not give a shit about what I was talking about in the first place? Because I was saying that not disliking NK didn't mean liking starvation, totalitarianism, and personality cults.

[Mornovia]

I'm so terribly sorry, but the first thing that came to mind when I saw this thread was to post this.

"Think facism."

That is all.

[Arumdaum]

Over 24 million individuals with their own human feelings and emotions, including a large portion of my relatives, naengmyeon, other food that I like, funny-looking traditional hats, poetry, history, nice architecture, the landscape during the winter and during the spring, the sound of cicadas during the summer, its general interestingness, and more.

Because y'know, nothing exists in a country other than the government. Yup.

I wasn't aware that there was a "North" Korean cultural heritage.

Where have you been these past sixty-three years? Under a rock?

But regardless, it's in the north too. Naengmyeon originates from the north, around the Hwanghae region, I think. Not to mention, people still exist, and people can still have general interests in the place.

[The Parkus Empire]

I wasn't aware that there was a "North" Korean cultural heritage.

Where have you been these past sixty-three years? Under a rock?

But regardless, it's in the north too. Naengmyeon originates from the north, around the Hwanghae region, I think. Not to mention, people still exist, and people can still have general interests in the place.

You're making a useless distinction. "North Korea" is not used to refer to a specific culture or people, it is purely a political term used to describe the highly illegal state of a tyrannical piece of shit. The heritage is Korean.

[Resora]

The far-left would be more appealing if they stopped bashing the west's history and actually sold their ideas. Is that poster even serious? There's so much bullshit in there I'm not sure where to start.

The organised far-left became fringe lifestyleism decades ago.

Not every Marxist is a petty sectarian.

But you already knew that, and were just looking for a cheap stab at an ideology you don't like.

[The Parkus Empire]

Sure is. What's your point? If you support North Korea, then you're no friend of communists.

Where did you even draw that conclusion?

Because saying you don't dislike North Korea is like saying you don't dislike the USSR or the Third Reich, and then saying "Muh culture!" when people object.

[Arumdaum]

Where have you been these past sixty-three years? Under a rock?

But regardless, it's in the north too. Naengmyeon originates from the north, around the Hwanghae region, I think. Not to mention, people still exist, and people can still have general interests in the place.

You're making a useless distinction. "North Korea" is not used to refer to a specific culture or people, it is purely a political term used to describe the highly illegal state of a tyrannical piece of shit. The heritage is Korean.

Not really. North Korea's become quite distinct from the southern half of the country within the past sixty years, and people in south generally think of northerners as different, with the same thing going on in the south, although both view themselves as the same people. There's more to it than both NK and SK being Korean.

How's the state illegal?

[The Parkus Empire]

You're making a useless distinction. "North Korea" is not used to refer to a specific culture or people, it is purely a political term used to describe the highly illegal state of a tyrannical piece of shit. The heritage is Korean.

Not really. North Korea's become quite distinct from the southern half of the country within the past sixty years, and people in south generally think of northerners as different, with the same thing going on in the south, although both view themselves as the same people. There's more to it than both NK and SK being Korean.

How's the state illegal?

I'm even going to go into with you, because I smell a nationalist.

[Arumdaum]

Where did you even draw that conclusion?

Because saying you don't dislike North Korea is like saying you don't dislike the USSR or the Third Reich, and then saying "Muh culture!" when people object.

"I don't dislike the place"

"oh so I guess you like torture and totalitarianism"

No, it's different. It'd be like saying that if you don't dislike Russia or Germany during the time of the existence of the USSR and the Third Reich, then clearly you're either a Stalinist or a Nazi.

[Arumdaum]

Not really. North Korea's become quite distinct from the southern half of the country within the past sixty years, and people in south generally think of northerners as different, with the same thing going on in the south, although both view themselves as the same people. There's more to it than both NK and SK being Korean.

How's the state illegal?

I'm even going to go into with you, because I smell a nationalist.

I'm not even Korean. Nothing in my post even hinted at any nationalistic feelings either.

edit: In fact, if anything, the post should make me look like someone who isn't a Korean nationalist.

[Arumdaum]

Parkur you never read Stalins works.Your talking out of your ass.

I, however, have.

Stalin was a gangster who set up a pseudo-theocracy in Russia, in the name of Communism via his distorted, demented form of Socialism. Socialism In One Country is a terrible idea, doomed to fail, either by outside force, or inward corruption. Stalin himself was a paranoid, immoral beast, who was more concerned with the preservation of his own power and his cult of personality, than the people who toiled beneath him. He was the worst man in history, both because of the lives he ruined, and the permanent tarnishing of a glorious movement he caused in the social mindset. It has taken us decades to recover and garner social mobility again because of the actions of Stalin. He deserves nothing but reprimanding and disgust. And, if you have a heart, perhaps some pity for his plight.

But to support his actions is to support barbarism and totalitarianism, and nothing less.

Didn't people finding Stalin's idea more attractive have more to do with the failure of other communist revolutions in Europe, especially the one in Germany?

[Pacifornia]

What are your guy's opinion on Salvador Allende? He was a good example of a politician advocating for democratic socialism.

[The Parkus Empire]

Because saying you don't dislike North Korea is like saying you don't dislike the USSR or the Third Reich, and then saying "Muh culture!" when people object.

"I don't dislike the place"

"oh so I guess you like torture and totalitarianism"

No, it's different. It'd be like saying that if you don't dislike Russia or Germany during the time of the existence of the USSR and the Third Reich, then clearly you're either a Stalinist or a Nazi.

It's more comparable to East Germany.

[The Scientific States]

What are your guy's opinion on Salvador Allende? He was a good example of a politician advocating for democratic socialism.

I don't know a whole lot about him, but he seems decent.

[The Parkus Empire]

I'm even going to go into with you, because I smell a nationalist.

I'm not even Korean. Nothing in my post even hinted at any nationalistic feelings either.

edit: In fact, if anything, the post should make me look like someone who isn't a Korean nationalist.

Your sig radiates nationalism.

[Arumdaum]

I'm not even Korean. Nothing in my post even hinted at any nationalistic feelings either.

edit: In fact, if anything, the post should make me look like someone who isn't a Korean nationalist.

Your sig radiates nationalism.

Yes, because I hate cameras, yogurt, and my foreigner self with a burning passion.

[The Parkus Empire]

Your sig radiates nationalism.

Yes, because I hate cameras, yogurt, and my foreigner self with a burning passion.

Likes: traditional values
Dislikes: Gender equality, foreigners, barbarian influences

Very nationalistic. Nationalism in fact IS a very traditional value.

[Arumdaum]

Yes, because I hate cameras, yogurt, and my foreigner self with a burning passion.

Likes: traditional values
Dislikes: Gender equality, foreigners, barbarian influences

Very nationalistic. Nationalism in fact IS a very traditional value.

You... do realize my sig isn't serious, right?

I thought the "barbarian influences," being anti-foreigner and anti-gender equality, "traditional values," "yogurt," "nomads," "scholarly habits," and "cameras" would have brought it out, or perhaps a look at my political compass or info. I would have added in foot-binding to the pro, but I thought that'd be too weird. The blue color for the "pro" is a reference to there being no difference between the names for the colors blue and green in Korean and Japanese.

[Kaspias]

It's failed over and over again, if you believe it could work then you're as ignorant as the idiot who created it

[God Kefka]

Socialism is largely irrelevant... and I have no interest in being expropriated so...

[The Parkus Empire]

Likes: traditional values
Dislikes: Gender equality, foreigners, barbarian influences

Very nationalistic. Nationalism in fact IS a very traditional value.

You... do realize my sig isn't serious, right?

I thought the "barbarian influences," being anti-foreigner and anti-gender equality, "traditional values," "yogurt," "nomads," "scholarly habits," and "cameras" would have brought it out, or perhaps a look at my political compass or info. I would have added in foot-binding to the pro, but I thought that'd be too weird. The blue color for the "pro" is a reference to there being no difference between the names for the colors blue and green in Korean and Japanese.

A lot of people here use blue for "pro" in their sigs.

[Arumdaum]

It's failed over and over again, if you believe it could work then you're as ignorant as the idiot who created it

Y'know, except that the vast majority of human history involved people living in primitive communist societies, and that you also probably don't even know what communism is.

[The Scientific States]

It's failed over and over again, if you believe it could work then you're as ignorant as the idiot who created it

If you're going to post here, don't make generalizations and actually post something worthwhile mkay?

[Arumdaum]

"I don't dislike the place"

"oh so I guess you like torture and totalitarianism"

No, it's different. It'd be like saying that if you don't dislike Russia or Germany during the time of the existence of the USSR and the Third Reich, then clearly you're either a Stalinist or a Nazi.

It's more comparable to East Germany.

Yeah, it's more comparable to East Germany, except with a lot less calls for nuking the people living there into oblivion.