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Nervium
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Postby Nervium » Sat Sep 28, 2013 7:02 am

NEO Rome Republic wrote:
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Yeaaaaah, not a smart guy at all.


As well as a very cruel and heartless asshole.


Probably.
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Postby Draakonite » Sat Sep 28, 2013 7:28 am

Nervium wrote:
NEO Rome Republic wrote:
As well as a very cruel and heartless asshole.


Probably.


Why state the obvious?

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Postby Nervium » Sat Sep 28, 2013 7:34 am

Draakonite wrote:
Nervium wrote:
Probably.


Why state the obvious?


Because crushing the doubt is satisfactory.
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Postby Asigna » Sat Sep 28, 2013 7:37 am

Mao or Stalin?

Choose one.
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Postby Nervium » Sat Sep 28, 2013 7:40 am

Asigna wrote:Mao or Stalin?

Choose one.


Marx, Engels and Owen

Tada!
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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Sat Sep 28, 2013 7:41 am

Asigna wrote:Mao or Stalin?

Choose one.


Mao killed more people, no contest.
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Postby European Socialist Republic » Sat Sep 28, 2013 7:41 am

Asigna wrote:Mao or Stalin?

Choose one.

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Postby Free Tristania » Sat Sep 28, 2013 7:46 am

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The far-left would be more appealing if they stopped bashing the west's history and actually sold their ideas. Is that poster even serious? There's so much bullshit in there I'm not sure where to start.

Exactly why I do not support the far left eventhough I agree with some of their economic ideas: I am a patriot and I can't stand idiots that bash my country and I despise traitors that happen to be my countrymen and who still bash my country. Consequently: even parties like the PVV become more appealing.
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Postby Slobozhanshchyna » Sat Sep 28, 2013 7:48 am

European Socialist Republic wrote:
Asigna wrote:Mao or Stalin?

Choose one.

Albert Einstein.


Smart move. I applaud you.

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What you support will turn in to a global version of North Korea .


What about no?

Dude, did you even read any leftist literature? I guess no, so you probably think Fourier, Saint-Simon, Owen, Marx and Engels supported authoritarianism and manslaughter.

And, Daniel DeLeon. The most democratic and pacifistic Marxist I know.
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Postby Draakonite » Sat Sep 28, 2013 7:59 am

Slobozhanshchyna wrote:
European Socialist Republic wrote:Albert Einstein.


Smart move. I applaud you.

New acardia wrote:What you support will turn in to a global version of North Korea .


What about no?

Dude, did you even read any leftist literature? I guess no, so you probably think Fourier, Saint-Simon, Owen, Marx and Engels supported authoritarianism and manslaughter.

And, Daniel DeLeon. The most democratic and pacifistic Marxist I know.


theory =/= practise.

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Postby Slobozhanshchyna » Sat Sep 28, 2013 9:03 am

Draakonite wrote:
Slobozhanshchyna wrote:
Smart move. I applaud you.



What about no?

Dude, did you even read any leftist literature? I guess no, so you probably think Fourier, Saint-Simon, Owen, Marx and Engels supported authoritarianism and manslaughter.

And, Daniel DeLeon. The most democratic and pacifistic Marxist I know.


theory =/= practise.


Yeah, that's why we have capitalism for practice and socialism for theory.
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Postby Zeganas » Sat Sep 28, 2013 9:10 am

I'm not a fan of direct democracy, as it could potentially lead to an oppression of minorities. I believe that a constitutional republic does well, except with some changes. Like having impeachment voted on by the people, as if it's an election. It could also be cool if each of the states had a bit more power of the national government. For economics I am for universal healthcare in its simplest form, as in, it will just be a tax from the people to the hospitals, pretty much the way healthcare is set up today but without the individual paying as much for it and instead having the government pay for it. I don't support obamacare as it seems less efficient than what I believe.

Anyways, I'm not a total socialist, the united states should have the economic system norway has, and we should be legalizing SSM and medical marijuana.
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Postby Ashmoria » Sat Sep 28, 2013 9:10 am

Nervium wrote:
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Well China has successfuly fighted poverty in the last years... funny sidenote: since Deng Xiaoping


Mostly thanks to welfare though. And mandatory minimum wage coming into effect.

I think we can all agree, left and right, that chairman Mao was really bad at economics.

mao was only concerned about mao. that makes for bad politics and bad economics.
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Postby Forster Keys » Sat Sep 28, 2013 1:20 pm

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The Parkus Empire wrote:Conflating plastic surgery with cosmetic surgery is actually worse than even calling cosmetic surgery "evil".


The far-left would be more appealing if they stopped bashing the west's history and actually sold their ideas. Is that poster even serious? There's so much bullshit in there I'm not sure where to start.


The organised far-left became fringe lifestyleism decades ago.
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Postby Bloco De Esquerda » Sat Sep 28, 2013 2:18 pm

Altough I'm Libertarian Socialist i can't stand with some " communist " when they whining about After Stalin dead the Revesionism began , we should support regimes likes Venezuela,Syria and DPRK because they fight Imperialism or the ones who claim to be communist but they vote center-left/center or center-right if that means the right-wing one don't win.
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Postby Duvniask » Sat Sep 28, 2013 2:34 pm

Zeganas wrote:I'm not a fan of direct democracy, as it could potentially lead to an oppression of minorities. I believe that a constitutional republic does well, except with some changes. Like having impeachment voted on by the people, as if it's an election. It could also be cool if each of the states had a bit more power of the national government. For economics I am for universal healthcare in its simplest form, as in, it will just be a tax from the people to the hospitals, pretty much the way healthcare is set up today but without the individual paying as much for it and instead having the government pay for it. I don't support obamacare as it seems less efficient than what I believe.

Anyways, I'm not a total socialist, the united states should have the economic system norway has, and we should be legalizing SSM and medical marijuana.

It's doesn't have to be direct, it can be representative.

The rest of what you said doesn't have as much to do with socialism as it does with social democracy.
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Postby TerraPublica » Sat Sep 28, 2013 2:35 pm

Bloco De Esquerda wrote:Altough I'm Libertarian Socialist i can't stand with some " communist " when they winning about After Stalin dead the Revesionism began , we should support regimes likes Venezuela,Syria and DPRK because they fight Imperialism or the ones who claim to be communist but they vote center-left/center or center-right if that means the right-wing one don't win.


I wouldn't ever lump in Venezuela with Syria or North Korea. In Syria, there are no good guys. And North Korea isn't doing the left any favors. I can't in good conscience support dictatorship, even in opposition to neoliberal capitalism.
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Postby Bloco De Esquerda » Sat Sep 28, 2013 2:39 pm

TerraPublica wrote:
Bloco De Esquerda wrote:Altough I'm Libertarian Socialist i can't stand with some " communist " when they winning about After Stalin dead the Revesionism began , we should support regimes likes Venezuela,Syria and DPRK because they fight Imperialism or the ones who claim to be communist but they vote center-left/center or center-right if that means the right-wing one don't win.


I wouldn't ever lump in Venezuela with Syria or North Korea. In Syria, there are no good guys. And North Korea isn't doing the left any favors. I can't in good conscience support dictatorship, even in opposition to neoliberal capitalism.

They are all bad regimes .

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Postby Threlizdun » Sat Sep 28, 2013 2:40 pm

Bloco De Esquerda wrote:Altough I'm Libertarian Socialist i can't stand with some " communist " when they whining about After Stalin dead the Revesionism began , we should support regimes likes Venezuela,Syria and DPRK because they fight Imperialism or the ones who claim to be communist but they vote center-left/center or center-right if that means the right-wing one don't win.
Why the hell would a libertarian socialist support authoritarian capitalist states?
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Postby Pacifornia » Sat Sep 28, 2013 2:42 pm

TerraPublica wrote:
Bloco De Esquerda wrote:Altough I'm Libertarian Socialist i can't stand with some " communist " when they winning about After Stalin dead the Revesionism began , we should support regimes likes Venezuela,Syria and DPRK because they fight Imperialism or the ones who claim to be communist but they vote center-left/center or center-right if that means the right-wing one don't win.


I wouldn't ever lump in Venezuela with Syria or North Korea. In Syria, there are no good guys. And North Korea isn't doing the left any favors. I can't in good conscience support dictatorship, even in opposition to neoliberal capitalism.

North Korea is a fascist cult of personality state, I do not support it at all. I'm probably one of the few socialists who believes this.
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Postby Draakonite » Sat Sep 28, 2013 2:42 pm

Threlizdun wrote:
Bloco De Esquerda wrote:Altough I'm Libertarian Socialist i can't stand with some " communist " when they whining about After Stalin dead the Revesionism began , we should support regimes likes Venezuela,Syria and DPRK because they fight Imperialism or the ones who claim to be communist but they vote center-left/center or center-right if that means the right-wing one don't win.
Why the hell would a libertarian socialist support authoritarian capitalist states?


As far as i understood it, he complains about people,, who call themselves communists, and still praise Venezuela Syria and the DPRK

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Postby Bloco De Esquerda » Sat Sep 28, 2013 2:43 pm

Threlizdun wrote:
Bloco De Esquerda wrote:Altough I'm Libertarian Socialist i can't stand with some " communist " when they whining about After Stalin dead the Revesionism began , we should support regimes likes Venezuela,Syria and DPRK because they fight Imperialism or the ones who claim to be communist but they vote center-left/center or center-right if that means the right-wing one don't win.
Why the hell would a libertarian socialist support authoritarian capitalist states?


I meet some who supported those regimes .

PS : I'm not talking exclusively of L.Socialist because we support for those countries from Leninist, Stalinists , Trots and other range of leftists .

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Postby TerraPublica » Sat Sep 28, 2013 2:44 pm

Pacifornia wrote:
TerraPublica wrote:
I wouldn't ever lump in Venezuela with Syria or North Korea. In Syria, there are no good guys. And North Korea isn't doing the left any favors. I can't in good conscience support dictatorship, even in opposition to neoliberal capitalism.

North Korea is a fascist cult of personality state, I do not support it at all. I'm probably one of the few socialists who believes this.


No, most dislike North Korea, myself included.
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Postby Vicswampia » Sat Sep 28, 2013 2:45 pm

Bloco De Esquerda wrote:we should support regimes likes Venezuela,Syria and DPRK


Hell, no.

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Postby European Socialist Republic » Sat Sep 28, 2013 2:47 pm

TerraPublica wrote:
Pacifornia wrote:North Korea is a fascist cult of personality state, I do not support it at all. I'm probably one of the few socialists who believes this.


No, most dislike North Korea, myself included.

What sane person doesn't dislike North Korea?
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