Should There Be a Christian Nation, Like Israel?

by **Farnhamia** » Mon Sep 23, 2013 12:43 pm

Siaos wrote:
Menassa wrote:I'm no geography major, but I don't think Georgia's in the middle east brother.

No, it's on the coast of the Black Sea, in an area I would say is still Middle East.

Unless you're talking about the state Georgia, I'm talking about the country.

Wiki disagrees, stopping short of including the Caucusus region.

by **Lancaster of Wessex** » Mon Sep 23, 2013 12:44 pm

My view, as a practicing Christian is...

No.

"Go out unto the world and preach the Gospel."

Isolating ourselves for no reason is, well, pointless.

by **Torcularis Septentrionalis** » Mon Sep 23, 2013 12:44 pm

How about no?

Everywhere should be for everyone.

by **Menassa** » Mon Sep 23, 2013 12:45 pm

Lancaster of Wessex wrote:My view, as a practicing Christian is...

No.

"Go out unto the world and preach the Gospel."

Isolating ourselves for no reason is, well, pointless.

Wouldn't it be easier to preach if there was a centralized place in which the preachers can come from?

(I'm only making it worse for myself)

by **Arglorand** » Mon Sep 23, 2013 12:46 pm

Siaos wrote:
Arglorand wrote:Azerbaijan and Armenia are perfectly tame in that regard too.

Both of those countries aren't tolerant of gays much at all, but as far as law is concerned, they're a better place for LGBT people than Russia.

Most of that area seems much more ahead than the rest of the Middle East, probably due to its previous inclusion in the Soviet Union.

Not only that, but the Azerbaijan Democratic Republic (1918-1920) was the first secular independent country in the Muslim world, even beating Turkey to it.

There's a strong tradition of secularism in the South Caucasus. There's a ton of other issues, but religion doesn't usually play a role in actual government.

by **Menassa** » Mon Sep 23, 2013 12:46 pm

The Lupercal Imperium wrote:
Menassa wrote:In terms of preaching the Gospel?
No. I am Saying that Sint Paul said there is no difference between Greek or Hebrew, no difference between slave pr free. We are all God's children and we are all sinners. A hetrosexual that cheats on his wife is no better or no worse than other sins I can think of. There is no biggy sin-according to the Bible the right judgement by God is DEATH; in other words, I beleive, total and absolute destruction of the person. I get so sick of people that replace THEIR JUGMENTS from GOD'S JUDGEMENT. Like, whyh don't churches have sermons against hetrosexual couples that divorce for any other reason but divorce? I'll tell you why; because a lot of them are divorced!! It makes me sick when they make homosexuality seem so uber evil.

You really only needed the first sentence to answer my question, but I appreciate your tangent.

by **The Parkus Empire** » Mon Sep 23, 2013 12:47 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:The Vatican was not pacifist back when it had military puissance (the Papal States). It can't really do much now.

"Puissance"?

La-ti-dah.

In memory of Fass.

by **Siaos** » Mon Sep 23, 2013 12:47 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Siaos wrote:No, it's on the coast of the Black Sea, in an area I would say is still Middle East.

Unless you're talking about the state Georgia, I'm talking about the country.

Wiki disagrees, stopping short of including the Caucusus region.

Well, you learn something new everyday.

by **Need a Name** » Mon Sep 23, 2013 12:48 pm

Lancaster of Wessex wrote:My view, as a practicing Christian is...

No.

"Go out unto the world and preach the Gospel."

Isolating ourselves for no reason is, well, pointless.

The nation could be a staging ground for a massive missionary organization.

by **Genivaria** » Mon Sep 23, 2013 12:49 pm

Theocracies are bad m'kay.
Besides there already is a 'Christian Nation'.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatican_city

by **Distruzio** » Mon Sep 23, 2013 12:49 pm

The Lupercal Imperium wrote:I have been hearing what has been happening to Christians in other nations ( the Middle East, for example) and I have been refledcting that perhaps it might be possible for a Christian only nation. The reason that I write this is because I am Christian, and allthough I politely disagree with people of other religions and they politely disagree with me, it seems like Christians are gettinbg killed a lot in the Middle East. I was just thinking it would save a lot of lives if we had a nation sort of like Israel, where any Christian could fly in if they were being persecuted. Of course, I understand the horror of the Holocaust and the impact it had on Jewish communities, so I'm not trying to compare the two. Still, do you think it is a good idea or a bad idea? Why?

It's a good idea. And it exists.

The Vatican is real.

by **Farnhamia** » Mon Sep 23, 2013 12:49 pm

Need a name wrote:
Lancaster of Wessex wrote:My view, as a practicing Christian is...

No.

"Go out unto the world and preach the Gospel."

Isolating ourselves for no reason is, well, pointless.

The nation could be a staging ground for a massive missionary organization.

Like Utah?

by **Genivaria** » Mon Sep 23, 2013 12:50 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Need a name wrote:
The nation could be a staging ground for a massive missionary organization.

Like Utah?

Oh dear god...

by **Need a Name** » Mon Sep 23, 2013 12:51 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Need a name wrote:
The nation could be a staging ground for a massive missionary organization.

Like Utah?

Utah isn't fully Christian though.

by **Menassa** » Mon Sep 23, 2013 12:52 pm

Distruzio wrote:
The Lupercal Imperium wrote:I have been hearing what has been happening to Christians in other nations ( the Middle East, for example) and I have been refledcting that perhaps it might be possible for a Christian only nation. The reason that I write this is because I am Christian, and allthough I politely disagree with people of other religions and they politely disagree with me, it seems like Christians are gettinbg killed a lot in the Middle East. I was just thinking it would save a lot of lives if we had a nation sort of like Israel, where any Christian could fly in if they were being persecuted. Of course, I understand the horror of the Holocaust and the impact it had on Jewish communities, so I'm not trying to compare the two. Still, do you think it is a good idea or a bad idea? Why?

It's a good idea. And it exists.

The Vatican is real.

Hah, nothing's real.

Someone needs to spend more time on the internet.

by **Menassa** » Mon Sep 23, 2013 12:52 pm

Genivaria wrote:Theocracies are bad m'kay.
[....]

The majority of them are, yes.

by **Farnhamia** » Mon Sep 23, 2013 12:53 pm

Need a name wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Like Utah?

Utah isn't fully Christian though.

It's close enough for government work. Besides, you need a few tokens of other creeds to make sure people leave you alone.

by **Timothia** » Mon Sep 23, 2013 12:54 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
The Lupercal Imperium wrote:I have been hearing what has been happening to Christians in other nations ( the Middle East, for example) and I have been refledcting that perhaps it might be possible for a Christian only nation. The reason that I write this is because I am Christian, and allthough I politely disagree with people of other religions and they politely disagree with me, it seems like Christians are gettinbg killed a lot in the Middle East. I was just thinking it would save a lot of lives if we had a nation sort of like Israel, where any Christian could fly in if they were being persecuted. Of course, I understand the horror of the Holocaust and the impact it had on Jewish communities, so I'm not trying to compare the two. Still, do you think it is a good idea or a bad idea? Why?

Sure, we could put it where Christianity originated ... oh, wait ... dang.

Christians who are being persecuted can come to the US. Religious persecution is grounds for granting asylum. No need to bother those peaceful folks in the Middle East.

There you go, end of debate. C'mon, Middle East, give us your huddled masses!

by **Nazis in Space** » Mon Sep 23, 2013 12:54 pm

Need a name wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Like Utah?

Utah isn't fully Christian though.

Doesn't it have a majority of Xenu-worshippers?

by **Need a Name** » Mon Sep 23, 2013 12:55 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Need a name wrote:
Utah isn't fully Christian though.

It's close enough for government work. Besides, you need a few tokens of other creeds to make sure people leave you alone.

Hmm, I just realized that a Christian nation would be wiped of the map. Considering we're supposed to be pacifists.

by **Genivaria** » Mon Sep 23, 2013 12:56 pm

Need a name wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:It's close enough for government work. Besides, you need a few tokens of other creeds to make sure people leave you alone.

Hmm, I just realized that a Christian nation would be wiped of the map. Considering we're supposed to be pacifists.

Depending on which verses you adhere to I suppose.

by **Farnhamia** » Mon Sep 23, 2013 12:57 pm

Need a name wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:It's close enough for government work. Besides, you need a few tokens of other creeds to make sure people leave you alone.

Hmm, I just realized that a Christian nation would be wiped of the map. Considering we're supposed to be pacifists.

Not since you took over the Roman Empire.

by **Need a Name** » Mon Sep 23, 2013 12:57 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Need a name wrote:
Hmm, I just realized that a Christian nation would be wiped of the map. Considering we're supposed to be pacifists.

Depending on which verses you adhere to I suppose.

Jesus was pretty big on not doing anything that might harm others.

by **Bundesdeutschland** » Mon Sep 23, 2013 12:58 pm

Christianity runs on adversity and on the diversity of its members. And besides, for the time being, I don't think a Christian nation is really necessary.

by **Distruzio** » Mon Sep 23, 2013 12:58 pm

Need a name wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Depending on which verses you adhere to I suppose.

Jesus was pretty big on not doing anything that might harm others.

He was also pretty big on throwing the money changers out of the temple forcibly.

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