Should There Be a Christian Nation, Like Israel?

[Menassa]

Israel's not really a 'Jewish nation' in terms of how theocracy goes.... but this isn't a thread about Israel.

I'm sure a nation where people are united under one religion seems like a good idea... on paper.

[The Lupercal Imperium]

I have no problem with what you say. Rather, I look to space exploration as the naswer to a lot of our problems. Once we can travel to other planets, anyone that can't stand other beliefs can settle on another planet ( Maybe that is the solution, huh?)

eh, doubtful. certainly there's a lot of space out in... space, but i think it'll be a long time coming before any one group can identify, reach, colonize and establish a functional society on a distant planet having only cooperated with people from their desired ethnic group. it's also a question of how our ability to traverse and colonize space, if ever possible, develops and wherein will lie the concentration of resources and knowledge that allow us to undertake such huge projects, but whatever the outcome i find it difficult to predict that space travel will make segregation easier rather than more difficult

Ethnic groups? Listen, Christians come in all shades of colkor, every nation in the world. ANYONE can be a Christian. Therefore, it's not an ethnic thing. You mean to tell me that you have never heard what Paul said about Greeks and Jews?
As for space flight, there is a guy proposing a flight to Mars in 2023. People are singing up to be settlers and paying dough.

[Immoren]

Don't we already have those, or have I mised something?

[Ayreonia]

Holy Jesus fuck no. Why would the world's largest religion need its own country?

[The Lupercal Imperium]

I don't think there has ever been a pacifist Christian state.

Vatican City for one. If by Christian state you mean theocracy, no theocracy has ever really been pacifist. Ironic, isn't it?

Yeahg, but what can you say? humankind is a sinner. They will ALWAYS be a sinner; can't change that. Any human idea of utopia is doomed for failure.

[Menassa]

eh, doubtful. certainly there's a lot of space out in... space, but i think it'll be a long time coming before any one group can identify, reach, colonize and establish a functional society on a distant planet having only cooperated with people from their desired ethnic group. it's also a question of how our ability to traverse and colonize space, if ever possible, develops and wherein will lie the concentration of resources and knowledge that allow us to undertake such huge projects, but whatever the outcome i find it difficult to predict that space travel will make segregation easier rather than more difficult

[...]You mean to tell me that you have never heard what Paul said about Greeks and Jews?
[...]

In terms of preaching the Gospel?

[The Parkus Empire]

Sure, let's cut it out of Somalia. Then the burning of gays and the chaining of women may commence!

Like every Middle-Eastern and North African Nation! And Somalia!

"You get a theocracy!and you get a theocracy! and you get a theocracy! EVERYBODY gets a theocracy!"

[Menassa]

Sure, let's cut it out of Somalia. Then the burning of gays and the chaining of women may commence!

Like every Middle-Eastern and North African Nation! And Somalia!

Not every middle eastern nation....

[Zavea]

eh, doubtful. certainly there's a lot of space out in... space, but i think it'll be a long time coming before any one group can identify, reach, colonize and establish a functional society on a distant planet having only cooperated with people from their desired ethnic group. it's also a question of how our ability to traverse and colonize space, if ever possible, develops and wherein will lie the concentration of resources and knowledge that allow us to undertake such huge projects, but whatever the outcome i find it difficult to predict that space travel will make segregation easier rather than more difficult

Ethnic groups? Listen, Christians come in all shades of colkor, every nation in the world. ANYONE can be a Christian. Therefore, it's not an ethnic thing. You mean to tell me that you have never heard what Paul said about Greeks and Jews?
As for space flight, there is a guy proposing a flight to Mars in 2023. People are singing up to be settlers and paying dough.

well, ethnic group, religious identification, color of their shoes, whatever.

i'd like to be idealistic and suspect that meaningful space colonization will be a transnational effort due to the amount of resources and knowledge that it will take it to get it off the ground, meaning the ethnic/religious/whatever representation of humanity's first wave of space colonists will be of whichever nations participated in the effort

[The Parkus Empire]

I don't think there has ever been a pacifist Christian state.

Vatican City for one. If by Christian state you mean theocracy, no theocracy has ever really been pacifist. Ironic, isn't it?

The Vatican was not pacifist back when it had military puissance (the Papal States). It can't really do much now.

[Siaos]

Like every Middle-Eastern and North African Nation! And Somalia!

Not every middle eastern nation....

Excluding Israel, Turkey, Georgia, and maybe Saudi Arabia.

[Farnhamia]

Vatican City for one. If by Christian state you mean theocracy, no theocracy has ever really been pacifist. Ironic, isn't it?

Yeahg, but what can you say? humankind is a sinner. They will ALWAYS be a sinner; can't change that. Any human idea of utopia is doomed for failure.

I'm not a sinner. Please don't bring your particular dogma into this. Anyway, it's a poor idea. Christians control a sizable proportion of the world's wealth and resources. They don't need their own separate country as a refuge.

[The Parkus Empire]

Not every middle eastern nation....

Excluding Israel, Turkey, Georgia, and maybe Saudi Arabia.

Turkey and Georgia are near east.

[Farnhamia]

Vatican City for one. If by Christian state you mean theocracy, no theocracy has ever really been pacifist. Ironic, isn't it?

The Vatican was not pacifist back when it had military puissance (the Papal States). It can't really do much now.

"Puissance"?

La-ti-dah.

[Menassa]

Not every middle eastern nation....

Excluding Israel, Turkey, Georgia, and maybe Saudi Arabia.

I'm no geography major, but I don't think Georgia's in the middle east brother.

[Neo Rome Republic]

We already have nations with Christianity as the State Religion.

[Siaos]

Vatican City for one. If by Christian state you mean theocracy, no theocracy has ever really been pacifist. Ironic, isn't it?

The Vatican was not pacifist back when it had military puissance (the Papal States). It can't really do much now.

Yeah, it became much more pacifist during and after the renaissance, while it was still the Papal States. The only time it was really war-mongering was during the medieval times.

[Siaos]

Excluding Israel, Turkey, Georgia, and maybe Saudi Arabia.

I'm no geography major, but I don't think Georgia's in the middle east brother.

No, it's on the coast of the Black Sea, in an area I would say is still Middle East.

Unless you're talking about the state Georgia, I'm talking about the country.

[Rio Cana]

When it comes to the entire region

Christians now make up 5% of the population, down from 20% in the early 20th century

Recent spread of Jihadist and Salafist ideology, foreign to the tolerant values of the local communities in Greater Syria and Egypt has also played a role in unsettling Christians' decades-long peaceful existence.[11] It is estimated that at the present rate, the Middle East's 12 million Christians will likely drop to 6 million by the year 2020

The largest Christian group in the Middle East is the originally Egyptian speaking, but now Arabic-speaking Egyptian ethnoreligious community of Copts, who number 6–11 million people,[2] although Coptic sources claim the figure is closer to 12–16 million.[

When it comes to Syrias Catholic population this is the breakdown. Its from 2010.

[Arglorand]

Not every middle eastern nation....

Excluding Israel, Turkey, Georgia, and maybe Saudi Arabia.

Azerbaijan and Armenia are perfectly tame in that regard too.

Both of those countries aren't tolerant of gays much at all, but as far as law is concerned, they're a better place for LGBT people than Russia.

[Need a Name]

I have been hearing what has been happening to Christians in other nations ( the Middle East, for example) and I have been refledcting that perhaps it might be possible for a Christian only nation. The reason that I write this is because I am Christian, and allthough I politely disagree with people of other religions and they politely disagree with me, it seems like Christians are gettinbg killed a lot in the Middle East. I was just thinking it would save a lot of lives if we had a nation sort of like Israel, where any Christian could fly in if they were being persecuted. Of course, I understand the horror of the Holocaust and the impact it had on Jewish communities, so I'm not trying to compare the two. Still, do you think it is a good idea or a bad idea? Why?

I think this is an amazing idea.

[Menassa]

Excluding Israel, Turkey, Georgia, and maybe Saudi Arabia.

Azerbaijan and Armenia are perfectly tame in that regard too.

Both of those countries aren't tolerant of gays much at all, but as far as law is concerned, they're a better place for LGBT people than Russia.

IIRC the Israeli government is pretty tolerant of Gays.

[Siaos]

Excluding Israel, Turkey, Georgia, and maybe Saudi Arabia.

Azerbaijan and Armenia are perfectly tame in that regard too.

Both of those countries aren't tolerant of gays much at all, but as far as law is concerned, they're a better place for LGBT people than Russia.

Most of that area seems much more ahead than the rest of the Middle East, probably due to its previous inclusion in the Soviet Union.

[Caltarania]

Isnt the Vatican technically "a Christian state"?

Beat me to it.

But it's Catholic, so I guess a Protestant / Orthodox one.

Also:

Any form of nation based on religion or race is nearly always a bad idea.

I mean, Israel isn't exactly the best example of a nation...

[The Lupercal Imperium]

[...]You mean to tell me that you have never heard what Paul said about Greeks and Jews?
[...]

In terms of preaching the Gospel?

No. I am Saying that Sint Paul said there is no difference between Greek or Hebrew, no difference between slave pr free. We are all God's children and we are all sinners. A hetrosexual that cheats on his wife is no better or no worse than other sins I can think of. There is no biggy sin-according to the Bible the right judgement by God is DEATH; in other words, I beleive, total and absolute destruction of the person. I get so sick of people that replace THEIR JUGMENTS from GOD'S JUDGEMENT. Like, whyh don't churches have sermons against hetrosexual couples that divorce for any other reason but divorce? I'll tell you why; because a lot of them are divorced!! It makes me sick when they make homosexuality seem so uber evil.