Should There Be a Christian Nation, Like Israel?

[The Lupercal Imperium]

I have been hearing what has been happening to Christians in other nations ( the Middle East, for example) and I have been refledcting that perhaps it might be possible for a Christian only nation. The reason that I write this is because I am Christian, and allthough I politely disagree with people of other religions and they politely disagree with me, it seems like Christians are gettinbg killed a lot in the Middle East. I was just thinking it would save a lot of lives if we had a nation sort of like Israel, where any Christian could fly in if they were being persecuted. Of course, I understand the horror of the Holocaust and the impact it had on Jewish communities, so I'm not trying to compare the two. Still, do you think it is a good idea or a bad idea? Why?

[Union of Confederate Socialist Republics]

yes

make one for atheists too

and the flying spaghetti monster guys

[Farnhamia]

I have been hearing what has been happening to Christians in other nations ( the Middle East, for example) and I have been refledcting that perhaps it might be possible for a Christian only nation. The reason that I write this is because I am Christian, and allthough I politely disagree with people of other religions and they politely disagree with me, it seems like Christians are gettinbg killed a lot in the Middle East. I was just thinking it would save a lot of lives if we had a nation sort of like Israel, where any Christian could fly in if they were being persecuted. Of course, I understand the horror of the Holocaust and the impact it had on Jewish communities, so I'm not trying to compare the two. Still, do you think it is a good idea or a bad idea? Why?

Sure, we could put it where Christianity originated ... oh, wait ... dang.

Christians who are being persecuted can come to the US. Religious persecution is grounds for granting asylum. No need to bother those peaceful folks in the Middle East.

[Zavea]

isolating entire populations into strict ethnic/religious groups provides the perfect breeding environment for prejudice and intolerance so even if every ethnic/religious group on the planet were divided into its own autonomous state, it would accomplish nothing and indeed damage us

educating people and exposing them to different beliefs so they can learn is the most certain way to stop this kind of persecution

[Arglorand]

Israel was not founded on the basis of Judaism as a religion. It was founded by a movement of Jewish ethnic nationalists (although the leftist wing espoused many civic nationalist tendencies, and Theodore Herzl was arguably more a civic nationalist than an ethnic one) that we know as Zionism. Unless you find enough people who identify as ethnic Christians, the comparison to Israel is moot.

[Blasveck]

Isnt the Vatican technically "a Christian state"?

[The Lupercal Imperium]

isolating entire populations into strict ethnic/religious groups provides the perfect breeding environment for prejudice and intolerance so even if every ethnic/religious group on the planet were divided into its own autonomous state, it would accomplish nothing and indeed damage us

educating people and exposing them to different beliefs so they can learn is the most certain way to stop this kind of persecution

I have no problem with what you say. Rather, I look to space exploration as the naswer to a lot of our problems. Once we can travel to other planets, anyone that can't stand other beliefs can settle on another planet ( Maybe that is the solution, huh?)

[Siaos]

I have been hearing what has been happening to Christians in other nations ( the Middle East, for example) and I have been refledcting that perhaps it might be possible for a Christian only nation. The reason that I write this is because I am Christian, and allthough I politely disagree with people of other religions and they politely disagree with me, it seems like Christians are gettinbg killed a lot in the Middle East. I was just thinking it would save a lot of lives if we had a nation sort of like Israel, where any Christian could fly in if they were being persecuted. Of course, I understand the horror of the Holocaust and the impact it had on Jewish communities, so I'm not trying to compare the two. Still, do you think it is a good idea or a bad idea? Why?

1. There is, the Vatican city is fully Catholic run, and they tend to be pretty open to most Christians, not just Catholics.

2. Coptic Christians are very persecuted in the Middle East and Egypt, but creating their own nation would just inflame the situation and change the situation from Coptics can stay, but there is discrimination to Coptics have to leave or they will likely be killed. Just like what happened with the Jewish, but they had it better since they weren't as spread out and most live in the current country of Israel.

3. The country would be a massive target, like Israel

4. We have no right to force the Muslim nations to create a theocracy of a foreign faith out of their land.

5. I suggest we encourage more secular governments rather than segregating the religions, which causes even more problems, as has been shown with ethnic segregation and Israel.

6. Israel is already sort of that country, they are very tolerant of Europeans and Christians.

[Farnhamia]

Isnt the Vatican technically "a Christian state"?

Technically, yes. It's a little small, though.

[New Aerios]

No. There shouldn't be an Israel either. Countries founded on ethnic segregation are a bad idea.

[TaQud]

there's already one, its called Jesusland

[Fnordgasm 5]

Perhaps there could be a state for those whiny Christians who think that having to follow the same rules as everyone else or not being allowed to enforce their morality onto everyone else is somehow persecution. That would be nice.

[The Lupercal Imperium]

Isnt the Vatican technically "a Christian state"?

It would have to be larger than a city. Imagine one third of Christians decided to immigrate? Maybe the answer is the North Pole (: . I wouldn't anyone killed for an independent Christian nation. War goes against everything Christ ever said.

[Norstal]

isolating entire populations into strict ethnic/religious groups provides the perfect breeding environment for prejudice and intolerance so even if every ethnic/religious group on the planet were divided into its own autonomous state, it would accomplish nothing and indeed damage us

educating people and exposing them to different beliefs so they can learn is the most certain way to stop this kind of persecution

I have no problem with what you say. Rather, I look to space exploration as the naswer to a lot of our problems. Once we can travel to other planets, anyone that can't stand other beliefs can settle on another planet ( Maybe that is the solution, huh?)

Christian living in Iran:

"We are so oppressed. We need to do something."

"Why don't we just make an Iran for Christians?!"

"..."

[Siaos]

Perhaps there could be a state for those whiny Christians who think that having to follow the same rules as everyone else or not being allowed to enforce their morality onto everyone else is somehow persecution. That would be nice.

It would have to encompass all of the South and Midwest.

[Zavea]

isolating entire populations into strict ethnic/religious groups provides the perfect breeding environment for prejudice and intolerance so even if every ethnic/religious group on the planet were divided into its own autonomous state, it would accomplish nothing and indeed damage us

educating people and exposing them to different beliefs so they can learn is the most certain way to stop this kind of persecution

I have no problem with what you say. Rather, I look to space exploration as the naswer to a lot of our problems. Once we can travel to other planets, anyone that can't stand other beliefs can settle on another planet ( Maybe that is the solution, huh?)

eh, doubtful. certainly there's a lot of space out in... space, but i think it'll be a long time coming before any one group can identify, reach, colonize and establish a functional society on a distant planet having only cooperated with people from their desired ethnic group. it's also a question of how our ability to traverse and colonize space, if ever possible, develops and wherein will lie the concentration of resources and knowledge that allow us to undertake such huge projects, but whatever the outcome i find it difficult to predict that space travel will make segregation easier rather than more difficult

[Norstal]

Isnt the Vatican technically "a Christian state"?

It would have to be larger than a city. Imagine one third of Christians decided to immigrate? Maybe the answer is the North Pole (: . I wouldn't anyone killed for an independent Christian nation. War goes against everything Christ ever said.

Mohammed said that wars are not Muslim like, but you know.

[The Parkus Empire]

Sure, let's cut it out of Somalia. Then the burning of gays and the chaining of women may commence!

[The Lupercal Imperium]

Perhaps there could be a state for those whiny Christians who think that having to follow the same rules as everyone else or not being allowed to enforce their morality onto everyone else is somehow persecution. That would be nice.

It would have to encompass all of the South and Midwest.

Could be. Allthough that would mean rebelling against the United States of America. I don't think Ceasar would like that. After all, the Bible says that those put in authority over you should be obeyed, because they were appointed in that position by God.

[Fnordgasm 5]

Perhaps there could be a state for those whiny Christians who think that having to follow the same rules as everyone else or not being allowed to enforce their morality onto everyone else is somehow persecution. That would be nice.

It would have to encompass all of the South and Midwest.

Of what?

[Fartsniffage]

We've had Christian nations. Check out most of Europe a couple of hundred years back. Then people realised 'twas a silly idea.

[The Parkus Empire]

Isnt the Vatican technically "a Christian state"?

It would have to be larger than a city. Imagine one third of Christians decided to immigrate? Maybe the answer is the North Pole (: . I wouldn't anyone killed for an independent Christian nation. War goes against everything Christ ever said.

I don't think there has ever been a pacifist Christian state.

[Siaos]

Sure, let's cut it out of Somalia. Then the burning of gays and the chaining of women may commence!

Like every Middle-Eastern and North African Nation! And Somalia!

[Farnhamia]

It would have to encompass all of the South and Midwest.

Could be. Allthough that would mean rebelling against the United States of America. I don't think Ceasar would like that. After all, the Bible says that those put in authority over you should be obeyed, because they were appointed in that position by God.

Not in the United States, they weren't. It would be a bad idea for other reasons, though, unless you can get Congress to sign off on it and the President to sign the bill into law.

[Siaos]

It would have to be larger than a city. Imagine one third of Christians decided to immigrate? Maybe the answer is the North Pole (: . I wouldn't anyone killed for an independent Christian nation. War goes against everything Christ ever said.

I don't think there has ever been a pacifist Christian state.

Vatican City for one. If by Christian state you mean theocracy, no theocracy has ever really been pacifist. Ironic, isn't it?