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Postby Trollgaard » Sun Oct 06, 2013 9:00 pm

Mushet wrote:
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Seriously. Its a word. People can use it if they want to.

Who in this thread is advocating the legal banning of that word or the banning of white people from saying it? It can just have social consequences is all.


Duh.

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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Sun Oct 06, 2013 9:03 pm

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I can't imagine why white people would have to have that discourse in the first place.


Seriously. Its a word. People can use it if they want to.


Oh, they can.

If they're anything but black, 9/10 times they're a racist.

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Postby Trollgaard » Sun Oct 06, 2013 9:05 pm

The Steel Magnolia wrote:
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Seriously. Its a word. People can use it if they want to.


Oh, they can.

If they're anything but black, 9/10 times they're a racist.


Like omg, people, racist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Postby Taffy 3 » Sun Oct 06, 2013 10:43 pm

All I'm going to say is that Blazing Saddles taught us all how funny the word can be if it is used in such a context. Then again, Richard Pryor wrote much of that script so I guess few alive can harness it in such a way.
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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Sun Oct 06, 2013 11:53 pm

Trollgaard wrote:
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Oh, they can.

If they're anything but black, 9/10 times they're a racist.


Like omg, people, racist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


If you use the N word unironically?

Yeah, actually. It's a good metric, really. I encourage more racists to use the N word so we can shun them.

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Postby Neo-Mlytoria » Mon Oct 07, 2013 12:21 am

A nigger is an ignorant, uneducated, filthy, disgusting person.

The problem with calling this racist is that the word nigger has nothing to do with race. That, what I said above, is essentially the definition of the word. Wherein do you see the word "black" or any such? Nowhere. No amount of bastardization, misinterpretation, misrepresentation ought to be allowed to change that. It could perhaps be a very severe insult, maybe even a curse word, but is by no means a racial slur.

Irish people were among the first, and decidedly least valuable, of the slaves in the early colonial USA, because the Britons wanted to round them all up and ship them out to some bumblefuck colony where they'd be out of their hair forever. Irish people were considered more niggerly than blacks, and yet you don't see any Irish complaining about the use of the word nigger.

What one should ponder, instead of this pointlessness, is how and why the culture of the vast majority of blacks in the USA has devolved into one of ghettos, crime, gangs, and meaningless complaints about things like the word nigger, among other things. Most today say that blacks are in no way inherently inferior to whites or any other race. Yet a simple look at the ethnie and their circumstances shows, in practice, one of the following must be the case: either that notion is wrong, or in spite of that notion they are transparently subjugated to the point that they are utterly content living in squalor.
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Postby Juristonia » Mon Oct 07, 2013 12:28 am

That's an awful lot of blatantly false nonsense.
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Postby Neo-Mlytoria » Mon Oct 07, 2013 12:31 am

Juristonia wrote:That's an awful lot of blatantly false nonsense.
Yours is even more blind, casual dismissal. And you condensed it into a small fraction of the character count; I applaud your efforts in sheer stone-deaf mental inabsorption, but I have no will to debate a rock.
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Postby Juristonia » Mon Oct 07, 2013 12:36 am

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nigger
http://www.ferris.edu/news/jimcrow/caricature/

I have no will to debate someone who blatantly makes up meanings so that works out perfectly.
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Postby Wind in the Willows » Mon Oct 07, 2013 12:51 am

They call eachother it, but as soon as other races use it, everyone goes ape shit and starts crying racism. Fucking ridiculous.

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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Mon Oct 07, 2013 1:08 am

Wind in the Willows wrote:They call eachother it, but as soon as other races use it, everyone goes ape shit and starts crying racism. Fucking ridiculous.


Well, yeah, considering that it wasn't other african americans who kept slaves.

Neo-Mlytoria wrote:A nigger is an ignorant, uneducated, filthy, disgusting person.

The problem with calling this racist is that the word nigger has nothing to do with race. That, what I said above, is essentially the definition of the word. Wherein do you see the word "black" or any such? Nowhere. No amount of bastardization, misinterpretation, misrepresentation ought to be allowed to change that. It could perhaps be a very severe insult, maybe even a curse word, but is by no means a racial slur.

Irish people were among the first, and decidedly least valuable, of the slaves in the early colonial USA, because the Britons wanted to round them all up and ship them out to some bumblefuck colony where they'd be out of their hair forever. Irish people were considered more niggerly than blacks, and yet you don't see any Irish complaining about the use of the word nigger.

What one should ponder, instead of this pointlessness, is how and why the culture of the vast majority of blacks in the USA has devolved into one of ghettos, crime, gangs, and meaningless complaints about things like the word nigger, among other things. Most today say that blacks are in no way inherently inferior to whites or any other race. Yet a simple look at the ethnie and their circumstances shows, in practice, one of the following must be the case: either that notion is wrong, or in spite of that notion they are transparently subjugated to the point that they are utterly content living in squalor.


Boring, racist, copy/paste bullshit.

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Postby Tyriece » Mon Oct 07, 2013 1:08 am

I am white, i use the word a lot, not in a raciest way but in a funny kinda joking way with friends. The word is old and has had so many meanings that it is pretty much just worn out at this point.
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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Mon Oct 07, 2013 1:11 am

Tyriece wrote:I am white, i use the word a lot, not in a raciest way but in a funny kinda joking way with friends. The word is old and has had so many meanings that it is pretty much just worn out at this point.


If you're white and you use the word, you're being racist. That's not the same thing as being a racist, but you're still being racist and you should stop that!

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Postby Tyriece » Mon Oct 07, 2013 1:14 am

The Steel Magnolia wrote:
Tyriece wrote:I am white, i use the word a lot, not in a raciest way but in a funny kinda joking way with friends. The word is old and has had so many meanings that it is pretty much just worn out at this point.


If you're white and you use the word, you're being racist. That's not the same thing as being a racist, but you're still being racist and you should stop that!


Ahh no?
Technically by you saying that me being white and not being able to say a word that other races can, is in its self racist.
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Postby Juristonia » Mon Oct 07, 2013 1:15 am

Telling you that using racial slurs is racist does not mean they're being racist towards you.
Get a grip.
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Cannot think of a name wrote:Anyway, I'm from gold country, we grow up knowing that when people jump up and down shouting "GOLD GOLD GOLD" the gold is gone and the only money to be made is in selling shovels.

And it seems to me that cryptocurrency and NFTs and such suddenly have a whooooole lot of shovel salespeople.

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Postby Neo-Mlytoria » Mon Oct 07, 2013 1:17 am

The Steel Magnolia wrote:
Neo-Mlytoria wrote:A nigger is an ignorant, uneducated, filthy, disgusting person.

The problem with calling this racist is that the word nigger has nothing to do with race. That, what I said above, is essentially the definition of the word. Wherein do you see the word "black" or any such? Nowhere. No amount of bastardization, misinterpretation, misrepresentation ought to be allowed to change that. It could perhaps be a very severe insult, maybe even a curse word, but is by no means a racial slur.

Irish people were among the first, and decidedly least valuable, of the slaves in the early colonial USA, because the Britons wanted to round them all up and ship them out to some bumblefuck colony where they'd be out of their hair forever. Irish people were considered more niggerly than blacks, and yet you don't see any Irish complaining about the use of the word nigger.

What one should ponder, instead of this pointlessness, is how and why the culture of the vast majority of blacks in the USA has devolved into one of ghettos, crime, gangs, and meaningless complaints about things like the word nigger, among other things. Most today say that blacks are in no way inherently inferior to whites or any other race. Yet a simple look at the ethnie and their circumstances shows, in practice, one of the following must be the case: either that notion is wrong, or in spite of that notion they are transparently subjugated to the point that they are utterly content living in squalor.


Boring, racist, copy/paste bullshit.
Boring? Well if you say so buddy.

Racist? Wherein do you find racism?

Copy/paste? ... No? For it to be a copy-paste it has to have a source other than my own two hands tacking on my keyboard, have been copied, and then have been pasted. If you think it's a copy-paste, prove it, as such would be a positive and a negative is unfalsifiable; the burden of proof is upon you. Get your ass on Google and search for a source prior to me posting it in this thread.
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Postby Tyriece » Mon Oct 07, 2013 1:23 am

Juristonia wrote:Telling you that using racial slurs is racist does not mean they're being racist towards you.
Get a grip.


Saying "Hey, you cant say that because you are white" is not raciest? I think every English dictionary would disagree with you. But if we want to get into detail the English definition for Racism is - poor treatment of or violence against people because of their race the belief that some races of people are better than others-
So no, what he said and by me using the word by it's self is not raciest.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism
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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Mon Oct 07, 2013 1:29 am

Tyriece wrote:
Juristonia wrote:Telling you that using racial slurs is racist does not mean they're being racist towards you.
Get a grip.


Saying "Hey, you cant say that because you are white" is not raciest? I think every English dictionary would disagree with you. But if we want to get into detail the English definition for Racism is - poor treatment of or violence against people because of their race the belief that some races of people are better than others-
So no, what he said and by me using the word by it's self is not raciest.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism


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Postby CTALNH » Mon Oct 07, 2013 2:58 am

Leningrad Union wrote:Yes, I am talking about the racial slur. What do you think about the word? Offensive or not? Racist or accepting?

I think it is a stupid word that is mostly used by black people themselves and racist white southerners. The only way to kill the word is for some people to stop being racist and for rappers to stop using it to describe their "people." (I'm trying so hard not to sound racist right now.) I have noticed that it has split up into two different words, one ending with "ah" or "a" and the other ending with "er." The first word seems to be more benign, but still considered racist if a white person says it. Now you know my opinion, what do you think?

Don't hide behind the first letter like a coward just say nigger.
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Postby NERVUN » Mon Oct 07, 2013 3:02 am

Neo-Mlytoria wrote:A nigger is an ignorant, uneducated, filthy, disgusting person.

The problem with calling this racist is that the word nigger has nothing to do with race. That, what I said above, is essentially the definition of the word. Wherein do you see the word "black" or any such? Nowhere. No amount of bastardization, misinterpretation, misrepresentation ought to be allowed to change that. It could perhaps be a very severe insult, maybe even a curse word, but is by no means a racial slur.

Irish people were among the first, and decidedly least valuable, of the slaves in the early colonial USA, because the Britons wanted to round them all up and ship them out to some bumblefuck colony where they'd be out of their hair forever. Irish people were considered more niggerly than blacks, and yet you don't see any Irish complaining about the use of the word nigger.

What one should ponder, instead of this pointlessness, is how and why the culture of the vast majority of blacks in the USA has devolved into one of ghettos, crime, gangs, and meaningless complaints about things like the word nigger, among other things. Most today say that blacks are in no way inherently inferior to whites or any other race. Yet a simple look at the ethnie and their circumstances shows, in practice, one of the following must be the case: either that notion is wrong, or in spite of that notion they are transparently subjugated to the point that they are utterly content living in squalor.

And here you claimed you were immune from the Mods and knew when to push it and when to stop...

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Postby CTALNH » Mon Oct 07, 2013 3:08 am

NERVUN wrote:
Neo-Mlytoria wrote:A nigger is an ignorant, uneducated, filthy, disgusting person.

The problem with calling this racist is that the word nigger has nothing to do with race. That, what I said above, is essentially the definition of the word. Wherein do you see the word "black" or any such? Nowhere. No amount of bastardization, misinterpretation, misrepresentation ought to be allowed to change that. It could perhaps be a very severe insult, maybe even a curse word, but is by no means a racial slur.

Irish people were among the first, and decidedly least valuable, of the slaves in the early colonial USA, because the Britons wanted to round them all up and ship them out to some bumblefuck colony where they'd be out of their hair forever. Irish people were considered more niggerly than blacks, and yet you don't see any Irish complaining about the use of the word nigger.

What one should ponder, instead of this pointlessness, is how and why the culture of the vast majority of blacks in the USA has devolved into one of ghettos, crime, gangs, and meaningless complaints about things like the word nigger, among other things. Most today say that blacks are in no way inherently inferior to whites or any other race. Yet a simple look at the ethnie and their circumstances shows, in practice, one of the following must be the case: either that notion is wrong, or in spite of that notion they are transparently subjugated to the point that they are utterly content living in squalor.

And here you claimed you were immune from the Mods and knew when to push it and when to stop...

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Nope, doesn't look like you are or that you did.

Really only one week ban when this person so disgustingly called the around 25% of the human population sub humans?
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Postby Saiwania » Mon Oct 07, 2013 3:15 am

To be clear, I am a racist in that I believe in race, but I don't use the n word not because it is offensive but more because it is rude and demeaning. I want to be a cultured racist that is able to treat the different races with respect while still keeping primarily to my own race in my private life.
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Postby Mushet » Mon Oct 07, 2013 3:17 am

Tyriece wrote:I am white, i use the word a lot, not in a raciest way but in a funny kinda joking way with friends. The word is old and has had so many meanings that it is pretty much just worn out at this point.

You're the one to determine if it's worn out or not?
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Postby Camelza » Mon Oct 07, 2013 3:27 am

Neo-Mlytoria wrote:A nigger is an ignorant, uneducated, filthy, disgusting person.

The problem with calling this racist is that the word nigger has nothing to do with race. That, what I said above, is essentially the definition of the word. Wherein do you see the word "black" or any such? Nowhere.

"Nigger" comes from the word "negro", which means black in latin.
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Postby CTALNH » Mon Oct 07, 2013 3:31 am

Saiwania wrote:To be clear, I am a racist in that I believe in race, but I don't use the n word not because it is offensive but more because it is rude and demeaning. I want to be a cultured racist that is able to treat the different races with respect while still keeping primarily to my own race in my private life.

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