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Postby Hathradic States » Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:37 am

Jetan wrote:
Mushet wrote:White privilege is societal privileges that white people benefit from ranging from the obvious to the not so obvious to white people, from the somewhat mundane to more serious, beyond people of color in the same circumstances , that is these little advantages you get just for being white like you can swear, or dress in second hand clothes, or not answer letters, without having people attribute these choices to the bad morals, the poverty, or the illiteracy of your race. People of color on the other hand get judged in a racialized way for doing such things.

Really? Stereotypes are white privilege? :eyebrow: That's hogwash.
You're basically saying that because some people are stupid enough to buy into stereotypes and some are racists all the white people are mooching off of stuff they don't deserve.

Some believe that the lack of judgement is privilege. However, they fail to see that that is only lack of judgement by our own racial group.

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Postby Mushet » Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:41 am

Jetan wrote:
Mushet wrote:White privilege is societal privileges that white people benefit from ranging from the obvious to the not so obvious to white people, from the somewhat mundane to more serious, beyond people of color in the same circumstances , that is these little advantages you get just for being white like you can swear, or dress in second hand clothes, or not answer letters, without having people attribute these choices to the bad morals, the poverty, or the illiteracy of your race. People of color on the other hand get judged in a racialized way for doing such things.

Really? Stereotypes are white privilege? :eyebrow: That's hogwash.
You're basically saying that because some people are stupid enough to buy into stereotypes and some are racists all the white people are mooching off of stuff they don't deserve.

That's not the only thing, there are dozens of examples and yes plenty of them have to do with an absence of negative stereotypes and such that society, not just a few racists as you claim, hold towards people of color on virtue of them being people of color.
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Gun control is, and always has been, a tool of white supremacy.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:44 am

Bottle wrote:I'm sure people of color will be happy to trade if you want.

Pointless link to a stand up comic because you made me think of it.
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Postby Jetan » Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:53 am

Hathradic States wrote:
Jetan wrote:Really? Stereotypes are white privilege? :eyebrow: That's hogwash.
You're basically saying that because some people are stupid enough to buy into stereotypes and some are racists all the white people are mooching off of stuff they don't deserve.

Some believe that the lack of judgement is privilege. However, they fail to see that that is only lack of judgement by our own racial group.

Exactly.

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Jetan wrote:Really? Stereotypes are white privilege? :eyebrow: That's hogwash.
You're basically saying that because some people are stupid enough to buy into stereotypes and some are racists all the white people are mooching off of stuff they don't deserve.

That's not the only thing, there are dozens of examples and yes plenty of them have to do with an absence of negative stereotypes and such that society, not just a few racists as you claim, hold towards people of color on virtue of them being people of color.

What absence of negative stereotypes? You yourself are an example of white people being stereotyped against like any other racial group.
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Postby Mushet » Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:55 am

Jetan wrote:
Hathradic States wrote:Some believe that the lack of judgement is privilege. However, they fail to see that that is only lack of judgement by our own racial group.

Exactly.

Mushet wrote:That's not the only thing, there are dozens of examples and yes plenty of them have to do with an absence of negative stereotypes and such that society, not just a few racists as you claim, hold towards people of color on virtue of them being people of color.

What absence of negative stereotypes? You yourself are an example of white people being stereotyped against like any other racial group.

By saying that white people in this society have advantages not experienced by other racial groups in largely the same circumstances? That's a fact.
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Gun control is, and always has been, a tool of white supremacy.

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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:57 am

Verdum wrote:
Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:Wrong. He's half-Peruvian, half-American.

Ah, I can just change it up then.
*Is Peruvian*
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He's white. Just not non-Hispanic.
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Postby Jetan » Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:59 am

Mushet wrote:
Jetan wrote:Exactly.


What absence of negative stereotypes? You yourself are an example of white people being stereotyped against like any other racial group.

By saying that white people in this society have advantages not experienced by other racial groups in largely the same circumstances? That's a fact.

Is that so? Prove it then. And bear in mind that the only acceptable difference is the racial group.
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Postby Vicswampia » Tue Sep 24, 2013 9:00 am

Lorant wrote:Well didn't wanna call them black, that offends some people too. Not as many as nigger apparently does, but most the ones I know not only do not care, they use it too.


There's nothing wrong with calling someone Black.

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Postby The United Colonies of Earth » Tue Sep 24, 2013 9:08 am

Page wrote:I'm white. I don't use the word. And I also think white people telling black people to not use the word themselves is almost as racist as white people using the word. How fucking condescending. If black people want to have a discourse among themselves about whether the word can be reclaimed or whether it should not be used at all, that's their business, not mine.

I can respect that. It's a wise point. I am a black person, and I dislike using that term given its' heritage. But if it is used to show that it has no more potential to hurt us, then that's commendable.
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Postby Mushet » Tue Sep 24, 2013 9:15 am

Jetan wrote:
Mushet wrote:By saying that white people in this society have advantages not experienced by other racial groups in largely the same circumstances? That's a fact.

Is that so? Prove it then. And bear in mind that the only acceptable difference is the racial group.

There was that lady that made one change to her resume after being rejected so many times, put herself as white, so workforce discrimination. Then there's the fact that nonwhite criminals do more time for the same crime disproprortionately.
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Gun control is, and always has been, a tool of white supremacy.

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Postby Jetan » Tue Sep 24, 2013 9:28 am

Mushet wrote:
Jetan wrote:Is that so? Prove it then. And bear in mind that the only acceptable difference is the racial group.

There was that lady that made one change to her resume after being rejected so many times, put herself as white, so workforce discrimination. Then there's the fact that white criminals do more time for the same crime disproprortionately.

First of, until you source those they are only empty claims, nothing more. Secondly, even if you source them, unless you can prove that the conditions except for the racial group in these claims were identical, they are worthless as a proof. Thirdly, cases like your first claim are worthless as a proof either way, because there is no way to determine if the company that responded when the woman put herself as white would also have responded if she put in her real racial group. So that's not proving your case.
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Postby Vicswampia » Tue Sep 24, 2013 10:16 am

Jetan wrote:Is that so? Prove it then.


Are you actually this cynical?

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Postby Jetan » Tue Sep 24, 2013 10:32 am

Vicswampia wrote:
Jetan wrote:Is that so? Prove it then.


Are you actually this cynical?

What if I am?
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Postby Vicswampia » Tue Sep 24, 2013 10:35 am

Jetan wrote:
Vicswampia wrote:
Are you actually this cynical?

What if I am?


Whoa.

Calm down, big boyo.

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Postby Jetan » Tue Sep 24, 2013 10:36 am

Vicswampia wrote:
Jetan wrote:What if I am?


Whoa.

Calm down, big boyo.

Nothing to calm down from. I'm not angry.
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Postby Rapidblaze » Tue Sep 24, 2013 11:11 am

in my opinion everything depends on context and if it is used for discrimination it is offensive and vice versa

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Postby Hathradic States » Tue Sep 24, 2013 11:14 am

Mushet wrote:
Jetan wrote:Is that so? Prove it then. And bear in mind that the only acceptable difference is the racial group.

There was that lady that made one change to her resume after being rejected so many times, put herself as white, so workforce discrimination. Then there's the fact that white criminals do more time for the same crime disproprortionately.

And source for this claim? Furthermore, any proof that her changing her race effected her job search?

The way you phrased that sounds like discrimination against whites.

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Postby Mushet » Tue Sep 24, 2013 1:45 pm

Jetan wrote:
Mushet wrote:There was that lady that made one change to her resume after being rejected so many times, put herself as white, so workforce discrimination. Then there's the fact that white criminals do more time for the same crime disproprortionately.

First of, until you source those they are only empty claims, nothing more. Secondly, even if you source them, unless you can prove that the conditions except for the racial group in these claims were identical, they are worthless as a proof. Thirdly, cases like your first claim are worthless as a proof either way, because there is no way to determine if the company that responded when the woman put herself as white would also have responded if she put in her real racial group. So that's not proving your case.



http://www.techyville.com/2012/11/news/unemployed-black-woman-pretends-to-be-white-job-offers-suddenly-skyrocket/

http://www.rippdemup.com/2012/02/post-racial-update-blacks-receive-60-longer-criminal-sentences-than-whites-for-same-crimes/

And here's something about the disparity by the police when it comes to putting resources towards the war on "drugs" against poor communities of color instead of poor white communities even though white people use drugs just as or even more frequently

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/08/drug-war-mass-incarceration_n_3034310.html
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Postby Arabella Strauss » Sat Sep 28, 2013 9:04 pm

Hallistar wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Stop being so politically correct.

Nigger. Nigger. Nigger.

It's just a word. And i should be able to say it if Lil Wayne can.


:palm:

You wouldn't even know how dehumanizing that word is, unless you're black yourself and it was used against you. You're not being cool/edgy by repeating it, you're just being ignorant.

If you think a word can be dehumanizing you must be some sort of manchild. I myself am a gentleman of colour and I don't care if people call me a beaner, nigger or monkey.

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Postby Shnercropolis » Sat Sep 28, 2013 9:05 pm

'Nanoparticles'? Yeah, pretty racist.
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Postby Datfilwen Nogurfen » Sat Sep 28, 2013 9:06 pm

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:
Verdum wrote:Ah, I can just change it up then.
*Is Peruvian*
*Gets white people beaten up*

He's white. Just not non-Hispanic.


So, racial categories are overlapping as long as you don't have visible african features?
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Postby Datfilwen Nogurfen » Sat Sep 28, 2013 9:11 pm

Arabella Strauss wrote:
Hallistar wrote:
:palm:

You wouldn't even know how dehumanizing that word is, unless you're black yourself and it was used against you. You're not being cool/edgy by repeating it, you're just being ignorant.

If you think a word can be dehumanizing you must be some sort of manchild. I myself am a gentleman of colour and I don't care if people call me a beaner, nigger or monkey.


I back this up. Whenever people have taken stupid considerations over stigmas around me, I've wanted to punch them in the face.

It should be noted as a white privilege, to take moral heights over semantical buzz-words. I've always been the "negrito" in my family, and it's never carried a negative stigma, only white americans seem to care at all. And guess what, whenever the anglo-saxon academy as deemed a word "politically incorrect", it's euphemism end up carrying the same connotations, from rest-room to "dual heritage".

Stop messing around with words and change the connotations you imply.
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Postby Arabella Strauss » Sat Sep 28, 2013 9:32 pm

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:
Verdum wrote:Ah, I can just change it up then.
*Is Peruvian*
*Gets white people beaten up*

He's white. Just not non-Hispanic.

If you mean Peruvian as in mestizo, he's not exactly white.

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Postby Luepola » Sat Sep 28, 2013 9:36 pm

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Postby Shnercropolis » Sat Sep 28, 2013 9:49 pm


best video I seen in a whiiile.
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