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Postby Destiny Island » Tue Sep 24, 2013 4:48 am

I love how in my very stupid generation it's become so common between guys. Like it's almost become a replacement for bro.
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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Tue Sep 24, 2013 5:28 am

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Lorant wrote:Not all colored people take offense too it.

Nit-picking brigade here. We don't say that phrase, it's outdated and racist. We say "People of Color", but in this case, it would be much more accurate and pertinent to say, "Not all Black people take offense to it." Since not all People of Color are Black; some are Indigenous, some are Brown, some are Asian, etc.

Some are even people of color in one country with an one-drop rule (and historically, xenophobia against different kinds of European and non-European Indigenous whites) and white in the other.

Some cultures regard Asian as model minority to such level that racism, here including systemic discrimination, against them is the most negligible kind even though they don't enjoy white privilege so effectively they pertain to neither group.

While other cultures have different levels of whiteness, and there is an in-between in a continuum of privilege between Nordic-like and non-white mestizo where it is possible to be white AND technically people of color (namely Argentina, where the "criollo" group suffer prejudice from the "pampeños", but the "criollos" aren't properly mestizos in terms of identity, and there are mestiços and non-mestiços - using Portuguese orthography to convey the Old Iberian meaning of mixed-race - in all groups).
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Postby Terra Sector Union » Tue Sep 24, 2013 5:35 am

And here no one gives a fuck if an asian uses the word nigger.

It's always a black and white issue. Anyways, if people stop using the "N word" and I mean labeling the word nigger as the N Word, and mods remember I'm using in context, not to insult anyone, people wouldn't be so offended if we just pass it off. There's other slurs like cracker, beaner, gook but no one gets so offended over them until it's nigger.
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Postby TheTechnically Insane » Tue Sep 24, 2013 5:38 am

I view the word as a state of character not a state of skin color. The definition has changed. There are white n***ers and there are black, asian, hispanic, etc. The word is completely different now that it's the 21st century.
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Postby Petrovsegratsk » Tue Sep 24, 2013 5:40 am

I don't understand why black people can say it without any problems, but if a non-black says it, it's racist. America is so confusing sometimes.
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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Tue Sep 24, 2013 5:44 am

Petrovsegratsk wrote:I don't understand why black people can say it without any problems, but if a non-black says it, it's racist. America is so confusing sometimes.

As I previously said, the same reason my grandma calls me whitey as an endearmeant but if a person of color uses it, they are probably meaning they judge me based on my skin color.

Or why LGBT people can call each other homophobic slurs as a re-appropriation but if it's used by non-friendly straight people they probably are using a derogatory term as if it was all OK.

I am not a proponent of such usage but I can understand why African-Americans would think this double standard is ok. Either way, we shouldn't use it.
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Postby Great Kleomentia » Tue Sep 24, 2013 6:53 am

It is racial, but i dont find it that offensive. Black...pardon me, African-American, people use it all the time(sometimes to offend and sometimes not). I dont see a big deal. If someone called me a cracker or whatever names are used for white people i wouldn't get offended. Why would i?
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Postby Bottle » Tue Sep 24, 2013 7:12 am

Petrovsegratsk wrote:I don't understand why black people can say it without any problems, but if a non-black says it, it's racist. America is so confusing sometimes.

You would understand if you bothered to read the many people who have explained it. You obviously don't care enough to bother.

If you want to be lazy and confused, that's your business. Just don't whine about it as if it's anybody's fault other than your own.
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Postby Bottle » Tue Sep 24, 2013 7:15 am

Terra Sector Union wrote:And here no one gives a fuck if an asian uses the word nigger.

It's always a black and white issue. Anyways, if people stop using the "N word" and I mean labeling the word nigger as the N Word, and mods remember I'm using in context, not to insult anyone, people wouldn't be so offended if we just pass it off. There's other slurs like cracker, beaner, gook but no one gets so offended over them until it's nigger.

Uh, where the hell do you live where "gook" and "beaner" don't get a reaction?

"Cracker" doesn't get a reaction because white people are the dominant racial group. We get all the advantages that go along with that, and in exchange we forfeit the right to whine about "slurs" against us which carry precisely zero institutional, social, economic, or systemic discrimination with them. I'm sure people of color will be happy to trade if you want.
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Postby Verdum » Tue Sep 24, 2013 7:19 am

I am pretty sure it was the name of a plant before used as a slur.
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Postby Greed and Death » Tue Sep 24, 2013 7:20 am

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:
Petrovsegratsk wrote:I don't understand why black people can say it without any problems, but if a non-black says it, it's racist. America is so confusing sometimes.

As I previously said, the same reason my grandma calls me whitey as an endearmeant but if a person of color uses it, they are probably meaning they judge me based on my skin color.

Or why LGBT people can call each other homophobic slurs as a re-appropriation but if it's used by non-friendly straight people they probably are using a derogatory term as if it was all OK.

I am not a proponent of such usage but I can understand why African-Americans would think this double standard is ok. Either way, we shouldn't use it.

I have decided for the white hive mind to culturally appropriate the Nword for white use.
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Postby Greed and Death » Tue Sep 24, 2013 7:23 am

Bottle wrote:
Terra Sector Union wrote:And here no one gives a fuck if an asian uses the word nigger.

It's always a black and white issue. Anyways, if people stop using the "N word" and I mean labeling the word nigger as the N Word, and mods remember I'm using in context, not to insult anyone, people wouldn't be so offended if we just pass it off. There's other slurs like cracker, beaner, gook but no one gets so offended over them until it's nigger.

Uh, where the hell do you live where "gook" and "beaner" don't get a reaction?

"Cracker" doesn't get a reaction because white people are the dominant racial group. We get all the advantages that go along with that, and in exchange we forfeit the right to whine about "slurs" against us which carry precisely zero institutional, social, economic, or systemic discrimination with them. I'm sure people of color will be happy to trade if you want.


No, we save complaining about cracker for when we are on trial for murder and the star witness just admitted the victim used the term moments before the incident occurred.

White privilege means we can bitch when it matters most.
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Postby Aurora Novus » Tue Sep 24, 2013 7:30 am

Petrovsegratsk wrote:I don't understand why black people can say it without any problems, but if a non-black says it, it's racist. America is so confusing sometimes.


You don't understand why, or you don't agree it should be that way? Because a number of reasons have been given in the topic for why there's that reaction. I don't think it should be that way however.

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Postby Aurora Novus » Tue Sep 24, 2013 7:35 am

Bottle wrote:"Cracker" doesn't get a reaction because white people are the dominant racial group. We get all the advantages that go along with that, and in exchange we forfeit the right to whine about "slurs" against us which carry precisely zero institutional, social, economic, or systemic discrimination with them. I'm sure people of color will be happy to trade if you want.


Bollocks. A racial slur is a racial slur, regardless of who it's used by. That someone has "more power" than someone else doesn't make it any better or excusable. Further more, drop the white privilege nonsense. Yeah, as "a group", certain groups have it better off as groups, but you're completely ignoring the large number of middle and lower class whites who live in the same standards as other middle and lower class races, and who also live under the rule of an upper class comprised, in part, by members of other races. Being white is not an automatic "privilege" card. It's delusional nonsense to say that because you're white, you automatically are better off than anyone with different skin than you.
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Postby Terra Sector Union » Tue Sep 24, 2013 7:35 am

Bottle wrote:
Terra Sector Union wrote:And here no one gives a fuck if an asian uses the word nigger.

It's always a black and white issue. Anyways, if people stop using the "N word" and I mean labeling the word nigger as the N Word, and mods remember I'm using in context, not to insult anyone, people wouldn't be so offended if we just pass it off. There's other slurs like cracker, beaner, gook but no one gets so offended over them until it's nigger.

Uh, where the hell do you live where "gook" and "beaner" don't get a reaction?

"Cracker" doesn't get a reaction because white people are the dominant racial group. We get all the advantages that go along with that, and in exchange we forfeit the right to whine about "slurs" against us which carry precisely zero institutional, social, economic, or systemic discrimination with them. I'm sure people of color will be happy to trade if you want.

California where there is a large hispanic and asian population. Yea, maybe people do get offended, but the reaction is nowhere near nigger. Example.

The News.
(White Guy beats up asian guy and calls him a gook)
"This just in, a suspect allegedly beat an asian man and called him a racial slur. (news reporter might say gook. But wouldn't say 'G word' "

(White Guy beats up a black guy and calls him a nigger)
"A white male has allegedly beat an african-american and called him the N Word"


Out of all the slurs, nigger is apparently considered the most offensive. This is the real problem. No one has some special right or privilege. I do find it offensive how people discriminate white folks for presuming their the top. Not true. The only reason white people don't get so offended is because they are treated as some culture-less race. Try to insult a european against his/her cultural heritage and you get a different result.
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Postby Verdum » Tue Sep 24, 2013 7:40 am

Terra Sector Union wrote:
Bottle wrote:Uh, where the hell do you live where "gook" and "beaner" don't get a reaction?

"Cracker" doesn't get a reaction because white people are the dominant racial group. We get all the advantages that go along with that, and in exchange we forfeit the right to whine about "slurs" against us which carry precisely zero institutional, social, economic, or systemic discrimination with them. I'm sure people of color will be happy to trade if you want.

California where there is a large hispanic and asian population. Yea, maybe people do get offended, but the reaction is nowhere near nigger. Example.

The News.
(White Guy beats up asian guy and calls him a gook)
"This just in, a suspect allegedly beat an asian man and called him a racial slur. (news reporter might say gook. But wouldn't say 'G word' "

(White Guy beats up a black guy and calls him a nigger)
"A white male has allegedly beat an african-american and called him the N Word"


Out of all the slurs, nigger is apparently considered the most offensive. This is the real problem. No one has some special right or privilege. I do find it offensive how people discriminate white folks for presuming their the top. Not true. The only reason white people don't get so offended is because they are treated as some culture-less race. Try to insult a european against his/her cultural heritage and you get a different result.

Because white people never get beaten and called "Cracker" and that makes it less offensive.

All racial slurrs are equally offensive, even though I use them sometimes, and they are mean't to be that way.

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Postby Bottle » Tue Sep 24, 2013 7:42 am

Terra Sector Union wrote:
Bottle wrote:Uh, where the hell do you live where "gook" and "beaner" don't get a reaction?

"Cracker" doesn't get a reaction because white people are the dominant racial group. We get all the advantages that go along with that, and in exchange we forfeit the right to whine about "slurs" against us which carry precisely zero institutional, social, economic, or systemic discrimination with them. I'm sure people of color will be happy to trade if you want.

California where there is a large hispanic and asian population. Yea, maybe people do get offended, but the reaction is nowhere near nigger. Example.

The News.
(White Guy beats up asian guy and calls him a gook)
"This just in, a suspect allegedly beat an asian man and called him a racial slur. (news reporter might say gook. But wouldn't say 'G word' "

(White Guy beats up a black guy and calls him a nigger)
"A white male has allegedly beat an african-american and called him the N Word"


Out of all the slurs, nigger is apparently considered the most offensive.

The phrase "the N-word" is more familiar to most people because of this country's history regarding black Americans, slavery, and civil rights. The fact that Asians are a smaller population (demographically) in the country as a whole means that the phrase "the G-word" hasn't entered the lexicon in the same way as "the N-word." Likewise, if you say "So-and-so used 'the B-word,'" people will think you mean "bitch," not "beaner." That has nothing to do with how acceptable the terms are.
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Postby Terra Sector Union » Tue Sep 24, 2013 7:42 am

Verdum wrote:
Terra Sector Union wrote:California where there is a large hispanic and asian population. Yea, maybe people do get offended, but the reaction is nowhere near nigger. Example.

The News.
(White Guy beats up asian guy and calls him a gook)
"This just in, a suspect allegedly beat an asian man and called him a racial slur. (news reporter might say gook. But wouldn't say 'G word' "

(White Guy beats up a black guy and calls him a nigger)
"A white male has allegedly beat an african-american and called him the N Word"


Out of all the slurs, nigger is apparently considered the most offensive. This is the real problem. No one has some special right or privilege. I do find it offensive how people discriminate white folks for presuming their the top. Not true. The only reason white people don't get so offended is because they are treated as some culture-less race. Try to insult a european against his/her cultural heritage and you get a different result.

Because white people never get beaten and called "Cracker" and that makes it less offensive.

All racial slurrs are equally offensive, even though I use them sometimes, and they are mean't to be that way.

Exactly. You know that whole Trayvon Martian riot thing got white people beat up because of that.
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Postby Verdum » Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:04 am

Terra Sector Union wrote:
Verdum wrote:Because white people never get beaten and called "Cracker" and that makes it less offensive.

All racial slurrs are equally offensive, even though I use them sometimes, and they are mean't to be that way.

Exactly. You know that whole Trayvon Martian riot thing got white people beat up because of that.

*White people get beat*
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Verdum wrote:*George Zimmerman is Mexican*

Wrong. He's half-Peruvian, half-American.
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Postby Quintium » Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:22 am

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:
Verdum wrote:*George Zimmerman is Mexican*

Wrong. He's half-Peruvian, half-American.


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Mushet wrote:How did you earn white privilege other than simply being born as a white man?

Define "white privilege". Give an example of this "unearned shit".

White privilege is societal privileges that white people benefit from ranging from the obvious to the not so obvious to white people, from the somewhat mundane to more serious, beyond people of color in the same circumstances , that is these little advantages you get just for being white like you can swear, or dress in second hand clothes, or not answer letters, without having people attribute these choices to the bad morals, the poverty, or the illiteracy of your race. People of color on the other hand get judged in a racialized way for doing such things.
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Postby Verdum » Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:25 am

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:
Verdum wrote:*George Zimmerman is Mexican*

Wrong. He's half-Peruvian, half-American.

Ah, I can just change it up then.
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Postby Jetan » Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:31 am

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Jetan wrote:Define "white privilege". Give an example of this "unearned shit".

White privilege is societal privileges that white people benefit from ranging from the obvious to the not so obvious to white people, from the somewhat mundane to more serious, beyond people of color in the same circumstances , that is these little advantages you get just for being white like you can swear, or dress in second hand clothes, or not answer letters, without having people attribute these choices to the bad morals, the poverty, or the illiteracy of your race. People of color on the other hand get judged in a racialized way for doing such things.

Really? Stereotypes are white privilege? :eyebrow: That's hogwash.
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Postby Mushet » Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:34 am

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Bottle wrote:"Cracker" doesn't get a reaction because white people are the dominant racial group. We get all the advantages that go along with that, and in exchange we forfeit the right to whine about "slurs" against us which carry precisely zero institutional, social, economic, or systemic discrimination with them. I'm sure people of color will be happy to trade if you want.


Bollocks. A racial slur is a racial slur, regardless of who it's used by. That someone has "more power" than someone else doesn't make it any better or excusable. Further more, drop the white privilege nonsense. Yeah, as "a group", certain groups have it better off as groups, but you're completely ignoring the large number of middle and lower class whites who live in the same standards as other middle and lower class races, and who also live under the rule of an upper class comprised, in part, by members of other races. Being white is not an automatic "privilege" card. It's delusional nonsense to say that because you're white, you automatically are better off than anyone with different skin than you.

The police put a lot more resources to wage a war on drugs on poor communities of color than poor white communities, people of color disproportionately get more jail time for the same crime, poor whaite communities are not scapegoated the same way as communities of color. Poor white people are not profiled the way poor people of color are. No, white people in the same economic class still have unearned advantages over people of color in the same social class.
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