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Postby Hallistar » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:45 pm

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No, it's not. And as I said it only offends certain people for certain reasons. So if you were mad at someone of African descent would you use the N word against them?


Well, I have, actually. Those guys had it coming to them, though - three of them, stealing bicycles at a train station just after midnight. Trying to cut locks with a bolt cutter. So me and some others walked up to them and started talking to each other loudly - "it almost seems these [censored] are trying to steal bicycles." They ran off into the night.


Assuming your story is even true, it was you and the presence of others, and not that you called them "niggers" (even though someone like you would love for any opportunity to use that word), that scared them off.

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Postby Libertarian California » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:46 pm

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Yeah, and?

Most Americans tend to abide by the law. You seem to implying that most people will resort to immediate acts of violence when offended. In the First World, this is really not the case.

People aren't apes who act solely on impulse.


Wait! Wait! Okay! If someone (white, black, asian etc.) called me wetback or beaner, I would spray them with my hose or spill cooked pinto beans on their pants. That oughta show them ;)

I am not being sarcastic here, bro


Wow...


I can understand if someone said "Hey wetback, go back to Mexico, you taco eating motherfucker". But just saying "beaner" or "wetback" alone? You'd attack someone? Really?
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Postby Vazdania » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:46 pm

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Vazdania wrote:WHY????????????????/


Because clearly, if it offends him; it's a horrible word and should never be used and anyone who does if a horrible person.

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Luckily being an ass isn't illegal.
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Postby Ylhkainplypktkos » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:46 pm

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Ylhkainplypktkos wrote:i think we should treat "faggot" the same we treat "nigger"

WHY????????????????/


because negative Connotations(historical and such) obviously and blacks aren't the only one entitled to their own word.
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Postby Libertarian California » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:47 pm

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What principle? Attacking people for calling you a name? That's pretty shallow.


Well I'm not wounding them (maybe a little), it's more of a "how do you like them apples" kind of humiliation.


Or you just say "fuck off whitey/chink/nigger" and walk away?
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Postby New Genoa » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:47 pm

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Personal experience.

Anecdotal evidence isn't good evidence, you say? Well, I once used an anecdote as evidence ——— and guess what? I was right!


That's nice. Do you have anything to actually contribute to the thread, though?
Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality?

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Postby Vicswampia » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:48 pm

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:Negro was an acceptable word for lots of black people until back in the 1960s' civil rights movement.


Yeah, it was the "official" way of addressing blacks.

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:Imagine if anyone called you something like Europid. I think it would feel weirder.


I'd rather them call me cracker.

Although, I look White I consider myself Hispanic (I can already see you arguing that Brazilians are not Hispanic :lol2: ) and I suffered from prejudice a lot from it, when I attended School in Atlanta.

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Postby Xin Prussia » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:48 pm

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Tlaceceyaya wrote:Anecdotal evidence isn't good evidence, you say? Well, I once used an anecdote as evidence ——— and guess what? I was right!


That's nice. Do you have anything to actually contribute to the thread, though?


I'm sorry you're upset that someone pointed out that you made a terrible argument.


LOLZ


Luckily being an ass isn't illegal.


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Postby Condunum » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:49 pm

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Because clearly, if it offends him; it's a horrible word and should never be used and anyone who does if a horrible person.

LOLZ


Luckily being an ass isn't illegal.

And yet being an ass is still being an ass, and you shouldn't do it if you like being Christian.
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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:49 pm

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Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:Negro was an acceptable word for lots of black people until back in the 1960s' civil rights movement.

Same with Kaffir.

Though the same register of nigger as an anti-black slur is in the 1820s AFAIK. some 140 years of separation between terms starting to be seen as offensive.
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Postby Arumdaum » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:49 pm

It's a pretty nasty word that has developed particularly nasty feelings around it. Black people have had a pretty bad history of being exploited.
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Postby Pacifornia » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:50 pm

Libertarian California wrote:
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Well I'm not wounding them (maybe a little), it's more of a "how do you like them apples" kind of humiliation.


Or you just say "fuck off whitey/chink/nigger" and walk away?


Okay, if they said what you said (the sentence about tacos), then I would non-lethally (read: childlike) attack them. If they just used the slur, I'd be hurt but only attack their ignorance, not their race. I don't fight fire with fire, but rather, water (lol). Strangely, I have never been a victim of racism so idk how exactly I would react.
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Postby Polkopia » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:50 pm

It's just as offensive as Honkey, Spic, Chink, etc., and it shouldn't be treated as more/less offensive as the others just because it applies to a certain group of people.
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Postby Libertarian California » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:52 pm

Polkopia wrote:It's just as offensive as Honkey, Spic, Chink, etc., and it shouldn't be treated as more/less offensive as the others just because it applies to a certain group of people.


I find hick to be more offensive than honky. I can actually use the word hick in anger to really take a shot at someone. With honky, I just laugh.
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Postby Mushet » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:52 pm

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My race is not immune man. There's has been a sad history between blacks and Mexicans. Case in point, I once called a bully the unforgiveable word out of anger (I hated him because he was a douche not because of his race) and he kicked my ass. I learned my lesson of black/brown relations the hard way :(


I think he kicked your ass because you called him out and because he was a bully.

I don't think it had to do with black/brown relations.


But then again, I could be wrong. Mexican gangs are supposedly carrying out ethnic cleansing against blacks in East Los Angeles.

First of all the vast majority of black/brown violence in the Los Angeles area is in South LA, not East LA there's not enough black people over here on this side of the river for them to be a problem (shit happened in Highland Park though, not gonna lie). But the fact is most of what seems like a race problem more stems from gangs from Mexican enclaves beefing with gangs from black enclaves. Of course there's incidents of racist members carrying out actions trying to intimidtae blacks as a whole, like some Avenues were doing in Highland Park, but the fact is that this whole race war ethnic cleansing idea s sensationalized and mostly promoted by people who never have been to South Central.
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Postby Vicswampia » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:52 pm

Polkopia wrote:It's just as offensive as Honkey, Spic, Chink, etc., and it shouldn't be treated as more/less offensive as the others just because it applies to a certain group of people.


Spic and Chink seem pretty offensive to me.

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Postby Des-Bal » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:52 pm

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What principle? Attacking people for calling you a name? That's pretty shallow.


Brother it is neither my duty nor my objective to be deep all the time. I like someone whose prepared to pursue remedy for an injury independent of the legal system.
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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:53 pm

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Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:Negro was an acceptable word for lots of black people until back in the 1960s' civil rights movement.

Yeah, it was the "official" way of addressing blacks.

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:Imagine if anyone called you something like Europid. I think it would feel weirder.

I'd rather them call me cracker.

Although, I look White I consider myself Hispanic (I can already see you arguing that Brazilians are not Hispanic :lol2: ) and I suffered from prejudice a lot from it, when I attended School in Atlanta.

George Zimmerman, anyone?

Európida is cute, but nah. I'm mestiço so anything other than branco would be inappropriate.

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Postby Vicswampia » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:54 pm

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:Hispanics are Spaniards and people who inherited a Spanish-speaking culture. We are LATINOS (and Latinas, latinos, latinas, Latin@s/Latinxs, latin@s/latinxs, etc.), abbreviation of latinoamericano/latino-americano, because we are cultural and ethnic Latin Americans.


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Postby Arumdaum » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:54 pm

Polkopia wrote:It's just as offensive as Honkey, Spic, Chink, etc., and it shouldn't be treated as more/less offensive as the others just because it applies to a certain group of people.

Holy shit, what the fuck? No person gives a shit when you call them a honkey, or a spic, and it's not very likely that they'll even know what it means. They don't have anywhere near the same connotations, and it's unlikely we'll ever have a word that gets white people as offended, unless someone got a time machine and changed history to switch the situations of black people and white people.
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Postby The Legion of War » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:54 pm

I think that it is quite offensive if used in the way the word was meant to be used.

These days, I see dudes refer to each other a "nigga" when NEITHER of them are black. Hell, my friend called me one the other day and he's Indian and I'm Latino. I think that if you use it to describe black people in a condescending tone then YES it is offensive. If black people say it among themselves then I don't think they find it as offensive.

I mean really, I think it depends on who is saying it and in what context.

My personal wish though is that the word stopped being used.
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Postby Libertarian California » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:54 pm

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What principle? Attacking people for calling you a name? That's pretty shallow.


Brother it is neither my duty nor my objective to be deep all the time. I like someone whose prepared to pursue remedy for an injury independent of the legal system.


You seem to be an impulsive individual.
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Postby Vicswampia » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:56 pm

Arumdaum wrote:Holy shit, what the fuck? No person gives a shit when you call them a spic.


I do. So do a hell of a lot of other people.

Wetback seems funny, but Spic is really offensive.

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Postby Xin Prussia » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:57 pm

Arumdaum wrote:
Polkopia wrote:It's just as offensive as Honkey, Spic, Chink, etc., and it shouldn't be treated as more/less offensive as the others just because it applies to a certain group of people.

Holy shit, what the fuck? No person gives a shit when you call them a honkey, or a spic, and it's not very likely that they'll even know what it means. They don't have anywhere near the same connotations, and it's unlikely we'll ever have a word that gets white people as offended, unless someone got a time machine and changed history to switch the situations of black people and white people.


Would you like to source those claims?

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Postby Libertarian California » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:58 pm

Arumdaum wrote:
Polkopia wrote:It's just as offensive as Honkey, Spic, Chink, etc., and it shouldn't be treated as more/less offensive as the others just because it applies to a certain group of people.

Holy shit, what the fuck? No person gives a shit when you call them a honkey, or a spic, and it's not very likely that they'll even know what it means. They don't have anywhere near the same connotations, and it's unlikely we'll ever have a word that gets white people as offended, unless someone got a time machine and changed history to switch the situations of black people and white people.


Hick can be rather offensive, depending on the context, as it's also a slight against one's income level.
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