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Postby Vazdania » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:37 pm

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Vazdania wrote:You mean manure? That my friend is the smell of money.


not just manure. my stepsister in Pennsylvania lives next to a soybean processing plant and and truck depot. as you can imagine it smells terrible

All processing plants inherently smell gross.

Lord have mercy on the people who work in them.
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Postby New Genoa » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:37 pm

Saint Kitten wrote:I see how that it's offensive. But a large amount of black people say it so why can't everyone else? Is that word exclusive to black people only?


No. But the people whining about not being able to say it tend to just want to use it for racist reasons, rather than for the reason black people may use it.
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Postby Vazdania » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:37 pm

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that is just an old wives tale. cities don't smell(not enough for people to notice). if you really wanna smell something bad you can move to rural areas.

You clearly never visited Baltimore.

Paris smells like stale urine.....just for your collection of information.
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Postby Pacifornia » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:37 pm

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Dress up like a Klansman and walk through a predominantly black neighborhood, see how long it takes for someone to ignore legal consequences. People aren't slaves to the law and they will defy it if they are sufficiently offended.


Yeah, and?

Most Americans tend to abide by the law. You seem to implying that most people will resort to immediate acts of violence when offended. In the First World, this is really not the case.

People aren't apes who act solely on impulse.


Wait! Wait! Okay! If someone (white, black, asian etc.) called me wetback or beaner, I would spray them with my hose or spill cooked pinto beans on their pants. That oughta show them ;)

I am not being sarcastic here, bro
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Postby New Sivonia » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:38 pm

I personally believe that people should not be so sensitive to such words, it describes how African people were treated throughout history. Yes it was used in a negative context, and it should never be used in that context, but taking it out of textbooks doesn't really educate people. It only teaches us to live in a world where we have a list of words we can't even look at or use because they might offend someone. Soon we'll be downgrading the English language into nothing.
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Postby Vazdania » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:39 pm

New Sivonia wrote:I personally believe that people should not be so sensitive to such words, it describes how African people were treated throughout history. Yes it was used in a negative context, and it should never be used in that context, but taking it out of textbooks doesn't really educate people. It only teaches us to live in a world where we have a list of words we can't even look at or use because they might offend someone. Soon we'll be downgrading the English language into nothing.

thank you.
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Postby Ylhkainplypktkos » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:39 pm

Condunum wrote:
Ylhkainplypktkos wrote:
that is just an old wives tale. cities don't smell(not enough for people to notice). if you really wanna smell something bad you can move to rural areas.

You clearly never visited Baltimore.


I've been to Chicago.
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Postby Des-Bal » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:39 pm

Pacifornia wrote:Wait! Wait! Okay! If someone (white, black, asian etc.) called me wetback or beaner, I would spray them with my hose or spill cooked pinto beans on their pants. That oughta show them ;)

I am not being sarcastic here, bro


I feel a strange respect for someone willing to violate the law for their principles.
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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:39 pm

Vicswampia wrote:Really, is it that important to you to use it? Blacks call each other 'nigger' since the dawn of slavery in this country, I'd dare to say it's even part of the African-American culture.

As I said. It was just a mispronunciation of negro. It started to be offensive because of the negative connotations people associated with the Southerner Americans.
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Postby Xin Prussia » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:40 pm

New Genoa wrote:
Saint Kitten wrote:I see how that it's offensive. But a large amount of black people say it so why can't everyone else? Is that word exclusive to black people only?


No. But the people whining about not being able to say it tend to just want to use it for racist reasons, rather than for the reason black people may use it.


I'd like to see you prove that.

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Postby Norcroft » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:40 pm

racism is bad mmkay?
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Postby Mookim » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:41 pm

I don't like the word and it's offensive...

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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:41 pm

Norcroft wrote:racism is bad mmkay?

I didn't see anyone questioning this.
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Postby Vicswampia » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:41 pm

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:
Vicswampia wrote:Really, is it that important to you to use it? Blacks call each other 'nigger' since the dawn of slavery in this country, I'd dare to say it's even part of the African-American culture.

As I said. It was just a mispronunciation of negro. It started to be offensive because of the negative connotations people associated with the Southerner Americans.


It started to be offensive because they tought negro was an offensive word. Logically, nigger was offensive too.
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Postby Ylhkainplypktkos » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:41 pm

i think we should treat "faggot" the same we treat "nigger"
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Postby Vazdania » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:42 pm

Ylhkainplypktkos wrote:i think we should treat "faggot" the same we treat "nigger"

WHY????????????????/
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Postby Lydenburg » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:42 pm

Libertarian California wrote:
Vazdania wrote:Isn't that the Arab word for Infidel?


Infidel doesn't strike me as very offensive.


Actually, the original translation was "savage". Arab slave traders used it to refer to black sub-Saharan animists they conquered. It was later adopted by the Portuguese in Mozambique and simply meant "African" - today, there are still Portuguese and Dutch-speaking blacks in Sri Lanka that call themselves "Kaffirs" because at the time of their migration the word lacked any negative annotation.

In South African English/Afrikaans, the word was applied almost universally to the inhabitants of "British Kaffaria", an actual colony - and later to black South Africans in general. It was not considered a slur until the late 1950s, when African nationalists began rejecting it. More importantly, Kaffir's usage in the context of apartheid was considered offensive. The South African government replaced it with "Bantu" on official papers during an attempt to appease their critics. It's officially frowned upon in RSA, Namibia, and Zimbabwe today.

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Postby Providence and Port Hope » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:42 pm

Leningrad Union wrote:Yes, I am talking about the racial slur. What do you think about the word? Offensive or not? Racist or accepting?

I think it is a stupid word that is mostly used by black people themselves and racist white southerners. The only way to kill the word is for some people to stop being racist and for rappers to stop using it to describe their "people." (I'm trying so hard not to sound racist right now.) I have noticed that it has split up into two different words, one ending with "ah" or "a" and the other ending with "er." The first word seems to be more benign, but still considered racist if a white person says it. Now you know my opinion, what do you think?



Words are just an arrangement of letters that have been given some sort of meaning. For all we know, in two hundred years, this sentence could be filled with racial slurs.

When people say sticks and stones, it's serious. What's wrong with saying n word? It is only offensive if people think it as such.
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Postby New Genoa » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:44 pm

Xin Prussia wrote:
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No. But the people whining about not being able to say it tend to just want to use it for racist reasons, rather than for the reason black people may use it.


I'd like to see you prove that.


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Postby Libertarian California » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:44 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Pacifornia wrote:Wait! Wait! Okay! If someone (white, black, asian etc.) called me wetback or beaner, I would spray them with my hose or spill cooked pinto beans on their pants. That oughta show them ;)

I am not being sarcastic here, bro


I feel a strange respect for someone willing to violate the law for their principles.


What principle? Attacking people for calling you a name? That's pretty shallow.
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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:44 pm

Vicswampia wrote:It started be offensive because they tought negro was an offensive word. Logically, nigger was offensive too.

Negro was an acceptable word for lots of black people until back in the 1960s' civil rights movement.

Some people preferred black to de-racialize language in favour of seeing everyone as just people with different characteristics, though.

Imagine if anyone called you something like Europid. I think it would feel weirder.
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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:44 pm

New Genoa wrote:
Xin Prussia wrote:
I'd like to see you prove that.


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Postby Pacifornia » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:45 pm

Libertarian California wrote:
Des-Bal wrote:
I feel a strange respect for someone willing to violate the law for their principles.


What principle? Attacking people for calling you a name? That's pretty shallow.


Well I'm not wounding them (maybe a little), it's more of a "how do you like them apples" kind of humiliation.
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Postby Xin Prussia » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:45 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Ylhkainplypktkos wrote:i think we should treat "faggot" the same we treat "nigger"

WHY????????????????/


Because clearly, if it offends him; it's a horrible word and should never be used and anyone who does if a horrible person.

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Postby Lydenburg » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:45 pm

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:
Vicswampia wrote:It started be offensive because they tought negro was an offensive word. Logically, nigger was offensive too.

Negro was an acceptable word for lots of black people until back in the 1960s' civil rights movement.


Same with Kaffir.

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