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Postby New Genoa » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:01 pm

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But it will offend people. The thing about offending people is that they tend to be offended afterwards.

That's why civilized society has something called 'Freedom of Speech'. People have a right to believe what they wish and voice their opinions.


Freedom of speech doesn't mean you should offend at every possible opportunity, there's also something called "manners" that civilized society has.
Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality?

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Postby Fascist Russian Empire » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:02 pm

New Genoa wrote:
Fascist Russian Empire wrote:That's why civilized society has something called 'Freedom of Speech'. People have a right to believe what they wish and voice their opinions.


Freedom of speech doesn't mean you should offend at every possible opportunity, there's also something called "manners" that civilized society has.

Being an asshole isn't a crime.

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Postby New Genoa » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:03 pm

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Freedom of speech doesn't mean you should offend at every possible opportunity, there's also something called "manners" that civilized society has.

Being an asshole isn't a crime.


I didn't say it was.
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Postby Vazdania » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:07 pm

Leningrad Union wrote:Yes, I am talking about the racial slur. What do you think about the word? Offensive or not? Racist or accepting?

I think it is a stupid word that is mostly used by black people themselves and racist white southerners. The only way to kill the word is for some people to stop being racist and for rappers to stop using it to describe their "people." (I'm trying so hard not to sound racist right now.) I have noticed that it has split up into two different words, one ending with "ah" or "a" and the other ending with "er." The first word seems to be more benign, but still considered racist if a white person says it. Now you know my opinion, what do you think?

If the black community is able to use it, then I should be able to use it as well.

Furthermore I really see no difference how it ends because quite frankly it is the same thing.
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Postby Vazdania » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:08 pm

Fascist Russian Empire wrote:
New Genoa wrote:
Freedom of speech doesn't mean you should offend at every possible opportunity, there's also something called "manners" that civilized society has.

Being an asshole isn't a crime.

Thank goodness it isn't.
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Postby Des-Bal » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:10 pm

Fascist Russian Empire wrote:That's why civilized society has something called 'Freedom of Speech'. People have a right to believe what they wish and voice their opinions.


Freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences. That older gentleman had first amendment protection from the state arresting him he did not have first amendment protection from me beating him in the street.
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Postby New Genoa » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:11 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Leningrad Union wrote:Yes, I am talking about the racial slur. What do you think about the word? Offensive or not? Racist or accepting?

I think it is a stupid word that is mostly used by black people themselves and racist white southerners. The only way to kill the word is for some people to stop being racist and for rappers to stop using it to describe their "people." (I'm trying so hard not to sound racist right now.) I have noticed that it has split up into two different words, one ending with "ah" or "a" and the other ending with "er." The first word seems to be more benign, but still considered racist if a white person says it. Now you know my opinion, what do you think?

If the black community is able to use it, then I should be able to use it as well.

Furthermore I really see no difference how it ends because quite frankly it is the same thing.


Do you know how the black community uses it?

Do you plan on using it the same way?
Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality?

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Postby Vazdania » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:13 pm

New Genoa wrote:
Vazdania wrote:If the black community is able to use it, then I should be able to use it as well.

Furthermore I really see no difference how it ends because quite frankly it is the same thing.


Do you know how the black community uses it?

Do you plan on using it the same way?

It appears to me that they use it in an endearing way.

Why should that matter? I can use words however I so choose.
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Postby Condunum » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:14 pm

Vazdania wrote:
New Genoa wrote:
Do you know how the black community uses it?

Do you plan on using it the same way?

It appears to me that they use it in an endearing way.

Why should that matter? I can use words however I so choose.

Yes, and it's perfectly fair for people to be offended by your usage, and request you not.
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Postby New Genoa » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:15 pm

Vazdania wrote:
New Genoa wrote:
Do you know how the black community uses it?

Do you plan on using it the same way?

It appears to me that they use it in an endearing way.

Why should that matter? I can use words however I so choose.


How do you plan on using it?
Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality?

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Postby Vazdania » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:15 pm

Condunum wrote:
Vazdania wrote:It appears to me that they use it in an endearing way.

Why should that matter? I can use words however I so choose.

Yes, and it's perfectly fair for people to be offended by your usage, and request you not.

WHY? In case you've not noticed the days of slavery and black oppression are over.
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Postby Vazdania » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:16 pm

New Genoa wrote:
Vazdania wrote:It appears to me that they use it in an endearing way.

Why should that matter? I can use words however I so choose.


How do you plan on using it?

However I so choose?
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Postby Condunum » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:16 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Condunum wrote:Yes, and it's perfectly fair for people to be offended by your usage, and request you not.

WHY? In case you've not noticed the days of slavery and black oppression are over.

The days of oppressive racism are long from over. LONG from over.
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Postby Vazdania » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:16 pm

Condunum wrote:
Vazdania wrote:WHY? In case you've not noticed the days of slavery and black oppression are over.

The days of oppressive racism are long from over. LONG from over.

:eyebrow: SAURCE SUH?
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Postby New Genoa » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:17 pm

Vazdania wrote:
New Genoa wrote:
How do you plan on using it?

However I so choose?


Which is...?
Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality?

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Postby Condunum » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:17 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Condunum wrote:The days of oppressive racism are long from over. LONG from over.

:eyebrow:

I'm sorry, how the fuck is that news to you?
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Postby Pacifornia » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:18 pm

Condunum wrote:
Vazdania wrote:WHY? In case you've not noticed the days of slavery and black oppression are over.

The days of oppressive racism are long from over. LONG from over.


Guys, racism certainly did not go away. There are still Neo-nazi "14/88" "anti-racist is a codeword for anti-white" pricks out there shamelessly trolling minorities and normal white people online :(
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Postby Schweizweld » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:18 pm

I think that rappers and young blacks should stop calling each other that word, it just makes them sound ignorant and confirms negative stereotypes that white people have about black people.

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Postby Vazdania » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:18 pm

Condunum wrote:
Vazdania wrote: :eyebrow:

I'm sorry, how the fuck is that news to you?

We've effectively dealt with ethnic oppression.
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Postby Fascist Russian Empire » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:19 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Fascist Russian Empire wrote:That's why civilized society has something called 'Freedom of Speech'. People have a right to believe what they wish and voice their opinions.


Freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences. That older gentleman had first amendment protection from the state arresting him he did not have first amendment protection from me beating him in the street.

Assault is a crime in pretty much every single country in the world.

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Postby Condunum » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:19 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Condunum wrote:I'm sorry, how the fuck is that news to you?

We've effectively dealt with ethnic oppression.

No, we haven't. Not even fucking close.
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Postby Libertarian California » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:20 pm

Is there really that much a difference between nigger and nigga? Both seem to be used interchangeably, so I don't see how they are all that different.
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Postby Rand al Thor » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:20 pm

Racial slurs are stupid and if you use them then you are stupid regardless of your race.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:20 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Condunum wrote:Yes, and it's perfectly fair for people to be offended by your usage, and request you not.

WHY? In case you've not noticed the days of slavery and black oppression are over.

You know how you can tell that's not true? There are people on the internet fighting to be able to call people 'nigger'...
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Postby Vazdania » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:20 pm

Pacifornia wrote:
Condunum wrote:The days of oppressive racism are long from over. LONG from over.


Guys, racism certainly did not go away. There are still Neo-nazi "14/88" "anti-racist is a codeword for anti-white" pricks out there shamelessly trolling minorities and normal white people online :(

There is always a vocal superminority. They scream the loudest for their voice to be heard.
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