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House Republicans
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House Democrats
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Speaker Boehner
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Postby Death Metal » Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:10 pm

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Sedikal wrote:So The CDU, the UK Conservative party, the Civic Platform, and Serbian Progressive Party are all weak parties even though they control there respective countries?

They need a backbone.


They have one. They also have two organs that the GOP in the US is lacking: A brain, and a pair of balls.
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Postby The Scientific States » Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:10 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Sedikal wrote:So The CDU, the UK Conservative party, the Civic Platform, and Serbian Progressive Party are all weak parties even though they control there respective countries?

They need a backbone.

The only way the Conservative Party controls anything in the UK is through a coalition with the Liberal party. :roll:


The Liberal Democrats, which is just a Neo-liberal party with a few socially liberal policies.
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Postby Neutraligon » Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:11 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Maurepas wrote:So, none then? I believe zero would still judge poorly.

blocking would be just as good.


Considering Obamacare is part of mandatory spending, blocking would do very little, except shut down services most Americans rely on.
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Postby Vazdania » Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:11 pm

Death Metal wrote:
Vazdania wrote:They need a backbone.


They have one. They also have two organs that the GOP in the US is lacking: A brain, and a pair of balls.

You made me laugh. (Not like that is hard to do, but it was still funny)
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Postby Death Metal » Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:13 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Death Metal wrote:
They have one. They also have two organs that the GOP in the US is lacking: A brain, and a pair of balls.

You made me laugh. (Not like that is hard to do, but it was still funny)


No, the GOP of the US are the biggest bunch of crybaby cowards in this history of goverment. All they do is whine, whine, whine. Grow the fuck up GOP.
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Postby Sedikal » Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:13 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Sedikal wrote:So The CDU, the UK Conservative party, the Civic Platform, and Serbian Progressive Party are all weak parties even though they control there respective countries?

They need a backbone.

The only way the Conservative Party controls anything in the UK is through a coalition with the Liberal party. :roll:

And how do you explain the others? CDUs is an extremely powerful party in both German and European politics. But back on topic the republicans can't block this legislation. To few republicans are actually on board with Cruz and his buddies. Plus they can't hope to block it with a democratic presidency and senate. They are honestly just creating gridlock for no reason because their cause is hopeless.
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Postby Neutraligon » Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:13 pm

Death Metal wrote:
Vazdania wrote:You made me laugh. (Not like that is hard to do, but it was still funny)


No, the GOP of the US are the biggest bunch of crybaby cowards in this history of goverment. All they do is whine, whine, whine. Grow the fuck up GOP.


Grow up sounds about right, I feel like they never learned how to play nice in the sandbox.
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Postby The Scientific States » Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:13 pm

Death Metal wrote:
Vazdania wrote:You made me laugh. (Not like that is hard to do, but it was still funny)


No, the GOP of the US are the biggest bunch of crybaby cowards in this history of goverment. All they do is whine, whine, whine. Grow the fuck up GOP.


Exactly. Instead of whining about pointless stuff, they should work with the democrats and maybe get some shit done so our country can finally move a step forward. But god forbid that.
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Postby Vazdania » Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:15 pm

The Scientific States wrote:
Death Metal wrote:
No, the GOP of the US are the biggest bunch of crybaby cowards in this history of goverment. All they do is whine, whine, whine. Grow the fuck up GOP.


Exactly. Instead of whining about pointless stuff, they should work with the democrats and maybe get some shit done so our country can finally move a step forward. But god forbid that.

PFF!

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Postby Death Metal » Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:16 pm

Vazdania wrote:Obstructionism for the win!


Yes, obstructionism is winning for the GOP.

That's why Romney is president.
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Postby Sedikal » Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:17 pm

Vazdania wrote:
The Scientific States wrote:
Exactly. Instead of whining about pointless stuff, they should work with the democrats and maybe get some shit done so our country can finally move a step forward. But god forbid that.

PFF!

Obstructionism for the win!

To bad obstructionism is pointless when it has no hope of achieving anything.
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Postby The Scientific States » Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:18 pm

Vazdania wrote:
The Scientific States wrote:
Exactly. Instead of whining about pointless stuff, they should work with the democrats and maybe get some shit done so our country can finally move a step forward. But god forbid that.

PFF!

Obstructionism for the win!


Funny you bring that up, the GOP is the biggest bunch of obstructionists on the planet, then again so is most of the US congress.
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Postby Ashmoria » Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:20 pm

The Scientific States wrote:
Vazdania wrote:PFF!

Obstructionism for the win!


Funny you bring that up, the GOP is the biggest bunch if obstructionists on the planet, then again so is most of the US congress.

funny but youre wrong.

when have the democrats been obstructionist?
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Postby The Scientific States » Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:21 pm

Ashmoria wrote:
The Scientific States wrote:
Funny you bring that up, the GOP is the biggest bunch if obstructionists on the planet, then again so is most of the US congress.

funny but youre wrong.

when have the democrats been obstructionist?


I said most of the US congress. Notice how they can't really get anything done? It's the blue dog democrats and DINO's who also prevent any real change from happening. Just because I criticise the GOP, it doesn't mean the Democrats are perfect, in fact I'm not a big fan of the mainstream democrat party.
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Postby Vazdania » Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:25 pm

Death Metal wrote:
Vazdania wrote:Obstructionism for the win!


Yes, obstructionism is winning for the GOP.

That's why Romney is president.

:palm: Romney is not president for reasons other than GOP obstructionism.
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Postby Ashmoria » Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:27 pm

The Scientific States wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:funny but youre wrong.

when have the democrats been obstructionist?


I said most of the US congress. Notice how they can't really get anything done? It's the blue dog democrats and DINO's who also prevent any real change from happening. Just because I criticise the GOP, it doesn't mean the Democrats are perfect, in fact I'm not a big fan of the mainstream democrat party.

the democrats have their problems for sure but obstructionism isn't one of them.
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Postby Death Metal » Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:27 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Death Metal wrote:
Yes, obstructionism is winning for the GOP.

That's why Romney is president.

:palm: Romney is not president for reasons other than GOP obstructionism.


Well, there's the fact that the Obama administration improved the economy, improved civil liberties, improved gun rights, killed Bin Laden, and worked towards taking us out of the third world in health care.

But obstructionism was the final nail in the coffin.
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Postby Vazdania » Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:28 pm

Death Metal wrote:
Vazdania wrote: :palm: Romney is not president for reasons other than GOP obstructionism.


Well, there's the fact that the Obama administration improved the economy, improved civil liberties, improved gun rights, killed Bin Laden, and worked towards taking us out of the third world in health care.

But obstructionism was the final nail in the coffin.

improved gun rights? :eyebrow:
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Postby Sedikal » Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:28 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Death Metal wrote:
Yes, obstructionism is winning for the GOP.

That's why Romney is president.

:palm: Romney is not president for reasons other than GOP obstructionism.

It's was that 47% comment that fucked him over. Showed the public his true colors.
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Postby Vazdania » Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:29 pm

Sedikal wrote:
Vazdania wrote: :palm: Romney is not president for reasons other than GOP obstructionism.

It's was that 47% comment that fucked him over. Showed the public his true colors.

8) I agreed with him.
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Postby Ashmoria » Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:29 pm

Death Metal wrote:
Vazdania wrote: :palm: Romney is not president for reasons other than GOP obstructionism.


Well, there's the fact that the Obama administration improved the economy, improved civil liberties, improved gun rights, killed Bin Laden, and worked towards taking us out of the third world in health care.

But obstructionism was the final nail in the coffin.

that coffin was so full of nails that its impossible to find the last one. obstructionism was the FIRST nail in the coffin
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Postby The Scientific States » Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:30 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Sedikal wrote:It's was that 47% comment that fucked him over. Showed the public his true colors.

8) I agreed with him.


Lets not start a threadjack here.
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Postby Vazdania » Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:30 pm

The Scientific States wrote:
Vazdania wrote: 8) I agreed with him.


Lets not start a threadjack here.

oh my! So sorry. :o

US government, lets shut it down.
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Postby The Scientific States » Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:31 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Death Metal wrote:
Well, there's the fact that the Obama administration improved the economy, improved civil liberties, improved gun rights, killed Bin Laden, and worked towards taking us out of the third world in health care.

But obstructionism was the final nail in the coffin.

improved gun rights? :eyebrow:


No kidding, well he hasn't really made gun laws scricter or more lenient.

And it wasn't necessarily the administration itself that improved civil liberties.
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Postby The Scientific States » Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:32 pm

Vazdania wrote:
The Scientific States wrote:
Lets not start a threadjack here.

oh my! So sorry. :o

US government, lets shut it down.


Don't be sorry, but the thread could go downhill if we bring up stuff like that.

And, there is no need to shut it down.
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