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Postby Death Metal » Tue Sep 24, 2013 7:39 pm

Ashmoria wrote:
Death Metal wrote:So basically, Ted Cruz is talking to himself.

And people on Twitter are actually making this seem important. Lol.


it is pathetic.


It must be sad to be part of a movement that's in it's death throes.
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Postby The Scientific States » Tue Sep 24, 2013 7:40 pm

Death Metal wrote:So basically, Ted Cruz is talking to himself.

And people on Twitter are actually making this seem important. Lol.


Yup.
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Postby Vazdania » Tue Sep 24, 2013 7:40 pm

South East Europe wrote:I love the Republicans for doing this, they are standing up to state-run tyranny.

this.
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Postby The Scientific States » Tue Sep 24, 2013 7:42 pm

Vazdania wrote:
South East Europe wrote:I love the Republicans for doing this, they are standing up to state-run tyranny.

this.


You wish. They're just whining about something silly when they should be fixing the country. The republicans just want attention.
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Postby Geilinor » Tue Sep 24, 2013 7:46 pm

Vazdania wrote:
South East Europe wrote:I love the Republicans for doing this, they are standing up to state-run tyranny.

this.

:palm: Do you see conservatives elsewhere pulling this stuff?
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Postby Death Metal » Tue Sep 24, 2013 7:47 pm

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South East Europe wrote:I love the Republicans for doing this, they are standing up to state-run tyranny.

this.


No, they're standing up for tyranny of the minority. In the end, that's all it comes down to; they are using what little power they have left to try to stand in the way of any Democratic legislation even though it benefits absolutely nobody to do so, and hurts hundreds of thousands of voters by threatening to take away their paychecks.

And that last part will haunt them in 2014, just like it did in 2012.

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
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Postby Triumvirate of Mars » Tue Sep 24, 2013 7:47 pm

No one will noticed. The boy who cried wolf. Personally, I want it to. Simply so people can see that it isn't really "Shutting" down. Its just so they can cry and bitch and moan about getting more money.
Watch it happen. The only negative thing that might happen will be caused by the Feds in retaliation to make themselves look better and make it look like the Republican Party is evil for not surrendering themselves to a system that is leading the United States to ruin.

Now lets watch the Liberals spaz.
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Postby Sedikal » Tue Sep 24, 2013 7:47 pm

This happened every few months, the republicans will get it through the house, Democrats will block it in the senate and if they don't president will veto it and there's no possible way they can get the 2/3 vote to override the veto. Plus they will more then likely make a last minute deal like always.
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Postby Geilinor » Tue Sep 24, 2013 7:47 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Nigerian Kenya wrote:Gingrich was initially as partisan as Boehner. But then the government shutdown of 95 and 96 happened, and it moved Gingrich in a much more bipartisan direction. For the rest of his speakership, he worked with Clinton, was willing to compromise, and honestly, government actually worked! Bills passed Congress with large, bipartisan support. Clinton touts that he developed a very productive relationship with Gingrich.

I personally hope that if the government does shutdown, it does the same to Boehner as it did to Gingrich. If Republicans are simply willing to quit opposing everything Obama says because he's black/a democrat/whatever and actually sit down with him and the senate/house democrats and actually work together, not just pretend to work together, we will have a functioning government.


The problem is Boehner isn't in control and the Repubs won't stop what they are doing until they replace this batch of morons.

This^. Boehner doesn't have real control or the will to compromise.
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Postby Ashmoria » Tue Sep 24, 2013 7:53 pm

Death Metal wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:
it is pathetic.


It must be sad to be part of a movement that's in it's death throes.

I cannot imagine how very much the other congressional republicans must hate ted cruz.

the house passed its stupid CR and are busy pretending that if the senate doesn't pass it too then the senate is shutting down government. but if ted ego cruz scuttles it without getting the dems to act on it then its still THEM shutting down government.
whatever

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Postby Death Metal » Tue Sep 24, 2013 7:58 pm

Ashmoria wrote:
Death Metal wrote:
It must be sad to be part of a movement that's in it's death throes.

I cannot imagine how very much the other congressional republicans must hate ted cruz.

the house passed its stupid CR and are busy pretending that if the senate doesn't pass it too then the senate is shutting down government. but if ted ego cruz scuttles it without getting the dems to act on it then its still THEM shutting down government.


At this point, the only play left for the GOP is to vote so the Senate is 99-1 against the defund bill. That's their only prayer of salvaging their credibility.

I doubt it'll happen.
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Postby Geilinor » Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:00 pm

Ashmoria wrote:
Death Metal wrote:
It must be sad to be part of a movement that's in it's death throes.

I cannot imagine how very much the other congressional republicans must hate ted cruz.

the house passed its stupid CR and are busy pretending that if the senate doesn't pass it too then the senate is shutting down government. but if ted ego cruz scuttles it without getting the dems to act on it then its still THEM shutting down government.

Their goal is just to keep the gridlock going for as long as possible.
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Postby Vazdania » Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:00 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Vazdania wrote:this.

:palm: Do you see conservatives elsewhere pulling this stuff?

No. Because the GOP actually has a backbone, compared to other conservative parties.
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Postby The Scientific States » Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:01 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Geilinor wrote: :palm: Do you see conservatives elsewhere pulling this stuff?

No. Because the GOP actually has a backbone, compared to other conservative parties.


Erm, no. I don't see how threatening to shut down the government for the umpteenth time instead of fixing our country and dealing with real issues at hand is "having a backbone"
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Postby Ashmoria » Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:01 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:I cannot imagine how very much the other congressional republicans must hate ted cruz.

the house passed its stupid CR and are busy pretending that if the senate doesn't pass it too then the senate is shutting down government. but if ted ego cruz scuttles it without getting the dems to act on it then its still THEM shutting down government.

Their goal is just to keep the gridlock going for as long as possible.

yes but shutting down the government is very unpopular so they want to be able to pretend that the dems are doing it.
whatever

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Postby Maurepas » Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:02 pm

Triumvirate of Mars wrote:No one will noticed. The boy who cried wolf. Personally, I want it to. Simply so people can see that it isn't really "Shutting" down. Its just so they can cry and bitch and moan about getting more money.
Watch it happen. The only negative thing that might happen will be caused by the Feds in retaliation to make themselves look better and make it look like the Republican Party is evil for not surrendering themselves to a system that is leading the United States to ruin.

Now lets watch the Liberals spaz.

Yeah, it's not like paying the troops is important or anything, :roll:

But faux patriotism and hypocrisy is okay if you're hurting "the Liberals".

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Postby Vazdania » Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:02 pm

The Scientific States wrote:
Vazdania wrote:this.


You wish. They're just whining about something silly when they should be fixing the country. The republicans just want attention.

Fixing the country at this stage, is ensuring that they can repeal as much liberal legislation as possible
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Postby Vazdania » Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:03 pm

The Scientific States wrote:
Vazdania wrote:No. Because the GOP actually has a backbone, compared to other conservative parties.


Erm, no. I don't see how threatening to shut down the government for the umpteenth time instead of fixing our country and dealing with real issues at hand is "having a backbone"

Judge them not by how many laws they pass, but by how many they repeal!!!
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Postby Maurepas » Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:04 pm

Vazdania wrote:
The Scientific States wrote:
Erm, no. I don't see how threatening to shut down the government for the umpteenth time instead of fixing our country and dealing with real issues at hand is "having a backbone"

Judge them not by how many laws they pass, but how many they repeal!!!

So, none then? I believe zero would still judge poorly.

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Postby The Scientific States » Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:04 pm

Vazdania wrote:
The Scientific States wrote:
Erm, no. I don't see how threatening to shut down the government for the umpteenth time instead of fixing our country and dealing with real issues at hand is "having a backbone"

Judge them not by how many laws they pass, but how many they repeal!!!


Hopefully that's sarcasm, the GOP congress is getting nothing wrong. All they want is ObamaCare gone, they keep trying and at this point they should give up. It's a useless effort to repeal something that isn't even all that "liberal"
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Postby Death Metal » Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:05 pm

Vazdania wrote:
The Scientific States wrote:
You wish. They're just whining about something silly when they should be fixing the country. The republicans just want attention.

Fixing the country at this stage, is ensuring that they can repeal as much liberal legislation as possible


Even if that was remotely grounded in reality (and it's not), the fact is, they can't repeal this. Period. They don't have the numbers.
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Postby Triumvirate of Mars » Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:06 pm

Boehner is a traitor really to the Republican party. The idea that "He isn't in control" is a correct one, because he isn't. Boehner doesn't speak the Republicans language, except for a few of the Rhinos who have abandoned their constituints. As much as I hate Democrats... I also hate a number of Republicans.
Traitor Lindsey Graham, Chris Christie, John McCain.
Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, Mick Mulvaney, and Tim Scott seem to be the most obvious friends to the Tea Party and seem to stick with their constituints. I would also Jim DeMint, but hes president of the Heritage Foundation now.
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Postby Vazdania » Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:06 pm

Maurepas wrote:
Vazdania wrote:Judge them not by how many laws they pass, but how many they repeal!!!

So, none then? I believe zero would still judge poorly.

blocking would be just as good.
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Postby Sedikal » Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:06 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Geilinor wrote: :palm: Do you see conservatives elsewhere pulling this stuff?

No. Because the GOP actually has a backbone, compared to other conservative parties.

So The CDU, the UK Conservative party, the Civic Platform, and Serbian Progressive Party are all weak parties even though they control there respective countries?
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Postby Vazdania » Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:08 pm

Sedikal wrote:
Vazdania wrote:No. Because the GOP actually has a backbone, compared to other conservative parties.

So The CDU, the UK Conservative party, the Civic Platform, and Serbian Progressive Party are all weak parties even though they control there respective countries?

They need a backbone.

The only way the Conservative Party controls anything in the UK is through a coalition with the Liberal party. :roll:
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