US Government Shutdown? Not any more!

[Ashmoria]

Ok worst case scenario, how long can the shutdown last?

If they lose the house, who will be hurt? I mean, other than the Republicans themselves, they don't count.

Say they did loose the house. It would be bad for everybody.

It's a bad thing when one party controls all three sections. When ownership is split; there is at least a "checks and balance" over issues rather then a "rubber stamp" approach.

I really can't say how long it will last.

Normal thinking would be the bad publicity cutting it shorter then they would want. The Repubs of 95/96 weren't as delusional as this batch. Gingrich had control. Boehner does not.

If I had to swag it? Worst case 2-3 weeks.

They may go for it as they are probably ignoring the effects from last time. Small business loan suspension, national parks and museums closed. Trash collection in DC. Medical Research interrupted. Passport services. I don't remember exactly but I seem to recall airlines and tourism took a hit.

It will be interesting to see what happens.

most times its better to have a divided government.

right now its a disaster due to the republicans having no agenda other than "no". even if a total democratic congress wouldn't be a progressives wet dream it will at least let everything get funded that needs to be funded without bullshit cuts that make no sense.

[Nigerian Kenya]

Say they did loose the house. It would be bad for everybody.

It's a bad thing when one party controls all three sections. When ownership is split; there is at least a "checks and balance" over issues rather then a "rubber stamp" approach.

I really can't say how long it will last.

Normal thinking would be the bad publicity cutting it shorter then they would want. The Repubs of 95/96 weren't as delusional as this batch. Gingrich had control. Boehner does not.

If I had to swag it? Worst case 2-3 weeks.

They may go for it as they are probably ignoring the effects from last time. Small business loan suspension, national parks and museums closed. Trash collection in DC. Medical Research interrupted. Passport services. I don't remember exactly but I seem to recall airlines and tourism took a hit.

It will be interesting to see what happens.

most times its better to have a divided government.

right now its a disaster due to the republicans having no agenda other than "no". even if a total democratic congress wouldn't be a progressives wet dream it will at least let everything get funded that needs to be funded without bullshit cuts that make no sense.

Gingrich was initially as partisan as Boehner. But then the government shutdown of 95 and 96 happened, and it moved Gingrich in a much more bipartisan direction. For the rest of his speakership, he worked with Clinton, was willing to compromise, and honestly, government actually worked! Bills passed Congress with large, bipartisan support. Clinton touts that he developed a very productive relationship with Gingrich.

I personally hope that if the government does shutdown, it does the same to Boehner as it did to Gingrich. If Republicans are simply willing to quit opposing everything Obama says because he's black/a democrat/whatever and actually sit down with him and the senate/house democrats and actually work together, not just pretend to work together, we will have a functioning government.

[The Black Forrest]

most times its better to have a divided government.

right now its a disaster due to the republicans having no agenda other than "no". even if a total democratic congress wouldn't be a progressives wet dream it will at least let everything get funded that needs to be funded without bullshit cuts that make no sense.

Gingrich was initially as partisan as Boehner. But then the government shutdown of 95 and 96 happened, and it moved Gingrich in a much more bipartisan direction. For the rest of his speakership, he worked with Clinton, was willing to compromise, and honestly, government actually worked! Bills passed Congress with large, bipartisan support. Clinton touts that he developed a very productive relationship with Gingrich.

I personally hope that if the government does shutdown, it does the same to Boehner as it did to Gingrich. If Republicans are simply willing to quit opposing everything Obama says because he's black/a democrat/whatever and actually sit down with him and the senate/house democrats and actually work together, not just pretend to work together, we will have a functioning government.

The problem is Boehner isn't in control and the Repubs won't stop what they are doing until they replace this batch of morons.

Even Rove says they will pay if they continue with the efforts to defund and shutdown the goverment....

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 71952.html

[The Black Forrest]

Say they did loose the house. It would be bad for everybody.

It's a bad thing when one party controls all three sections. When ownership is split; there is at least a "checks and balance" over issues rather then a "rubber stamp" approach.

I really can't say how long it will last.

Normal thinking would be the bad publicity cutting it shorter then they would want. The Repubs of 95/96 weren't as delusional as this batch. Gingrich had control. Boehner does not.

If I had to swag it? Worst case 2-3 weeks.

They may go for it as they are probably ignoring the effects from last time. Small business loan suspension, national parks and museums closed. Trash collection in DC. Medical Research interrupted. Passport services. I don't remember exactly but I seem to recall airlines and tourism took a hit.

It will be interesting to see what happens.

most times its better to have a divided government.

right now its a disaster due to the republicans having no agenda other than "no". even if a total democratic congress wouldn't be a progressives wet dream it will at least let everything get funded that needs to be funded without bullshit cuts that make no sense.

Oh I am not suggesting this batch is worth retaining. They are probably the worst ever. Progress won't happen until this batch of delusion is gone.

[Sibirsky]

Trash collection in DC is Federally funded? Why?

Because trash collection tends to be funded by the local government.

edit: tax and trash are not the same thing

Trash collection is either private, or funded by local government.

So I repeat, why is trash collection in DC, funded by the Federal government?

[Sibirsky]

What the fuck does any of that shit have to do with deregulation?

You're just using words, without any fucking clue to what they mean.

Well, somehow you've missed what he was saying.

No, somehow he managed to spout nonsense.

[Xsyne]

Because trash collection tends to be funded by the local government.

edit: tax and trash are not the same thing

Trash collection is either private, or funded by local government.

So I repeat, why is trash collection in DC, funded by the Federal government?

Because the federal government is the local government of the District of Columbia.

[Sibirsky]

Trash collection is either private, or funded by local government.

So I repeat, why is trash collection in DC, funded by the Federal government?

Because the federal government is the local government of the District of Columbia.

No, DC has its own government. Hence, my confusion.

[Xsyne]

Because the federal government is the local government of the District of Columbia.

No, DC has its own government. Hence, my confusion.

Sort of but not really. It has no powers other than what Congress allows it to have, and Congress could straight up dissolve D.C.'s local government at any time if it wanted to. It has less autonomy than a municipal government.

[Kalibarr]

Because the federal government is the local government of the District of Columbia.

No, DC has its own government. Hence, my confusion.

The local government doesn't have much power. Constitutionally it's under the jurisdiction of congress.


Honestly, it's a very stupid arrangement.

[Sibirsky]

No, DC has its own government. Hence, my confusion.

Sort of but not really. It has no powers other than what Congress allows it to have, and Congress could straight up dissolve D.C.'s local government at any time if it wanted to. It has less autonomy than a municipal government.

Fair enough.

They should run trash collections. And fund them. And if not, they should call trash collection "essential."

Does this mean trash was not collected for almost a month in 95-96? Ewwwe.

[Sibirsky]

DC government does, collect the city's trash.

Then they bring it here. Great.

http://dpw.dc.gov/service/residential-trash-collection

[Condunum]

Well, somehow you've missed what he was saying.

No, somehow he managed to spout nonsense.

No... You really just didn't understand what he said. Deregulation would allow businesses to worm their way back into more power in congress.

[Blasveck]

No, somehow he managed to spout nonsense.

No... You really just didn't understand what he said. Deregulation would allow businesses to worm their way back into more power in congress.

And yet you (General You) want the Congress that is influenced by the businesses......to regulate the businesses?

/not-an-Ancap

[Death Metal]

No... You really just didn't understand what he said. Deregulation would allow businesses to worm their way back into more power in congress.

And yet you (General You) want the Congress that is influenced by the businesses......to regulate the businesses?

/not-an-Ancap

Directly, no. Funding a nonpartisan NPO (preferably one that operates outside of the country to minimize subjectivity), yes.

[Sykaruse]

Can't the Republicans just accept Obamacare is not going to change and calm down?

[Death Metal]

Can't the Republicans just accept Obamacare is not going to change and calm down?

It's like they're Rorschach from the end of The Watchmen, and the voting public is Dr. Manhattan.

[Ashmoria]

most times its better to have a divided government.

right now its a disaster due to the republicans having no agenda other than "no". even if a total democratic congress wouldn't be a progressives wet dream it will at least let everything get funded that needs to be funded without bullshit cuts that make no sense.

Gingrich was initially as partisan as Boehner. But then the government shutdown of 95 and 96 happened, and it moved Gingrich in a much more bipartisan direction. For the rest of his speakership, he worked with Clinton, was willing to compromise, and honestly, government actually worked! Bills passed Congress with large, bipartisan support. Clinton touts that he developed a very productive relationship with Gingrich.

I personally hope that if the government does shutdown, it does the same to Boehner as it did to Gingrich. If Republicans are simply willing to quit opposing everything Obama says because he's black/a democrat/whatever and actually sit down with him and the senate/house democrats and actually work together, not just pretend to work together, we will have a functioning government.

the problem isnt boehner. if he becomes all compromisey his caucus will remove him as speaker of the house.

[Ashmoria]

ohmygod ted cruz is staging a fake filibuster.

he isnt holding anything up but he is talking ceaselessly and nonsensically on the senate floor. watching msnbc on delay i just watched him reading "green eggs and ham"

[Nigerian Kenya]

ohmygod ted cruz is staging a fake filibuster.

he isnt holding anything up but he is talking ceaselessly and nonsensically on the senate floor. watching msnbc on delay i just watched him reading "green eggs and ham"

He was literally reading that to the SENATE?

[Ashmoria]

ohmygod ted cruz is staging a fake filibuster.

he isnt holding anything up but he is talking ceaselessly and nonsensically on the senate floor. watching msnbc on delay i just watched him reading "green eggs and ham"

He was literally reading that to the SENATE?

IN the senate not TO the senate

no one else is there, its a fake filibuster so there are no rules and no one is waiting for him to collapse so that debate can be closed.

[Death Metal]

So basically, Ted Cruz is talking to himself.

And people on Twitter are actually making this seem important. Lol.

[Kalibarr]

So basically, Ted Cruz is talking to himself.

And people on Twitter are actually making this seem important. Lol.

People? I'm pretty sure most of those #tcot accounts are bots

[Ashmoria]

So basically, Ted Cruz is talking to himself.

And people on Twitter are actually making this seem important. Lol.

it is pathetic.

[Death Metal]

So basically, Ted Cruz is talking to himself.

And people on Twitter are actually making this seem important. Lol.

People? I'm pretty sure most of those #tcot accounts are bots

Nah. Twitter bots are better programmed than that.