US Government Shutdown? Not any more!

[Sibirsky]

shutdown is a silly over dreamatization. what it really means, is simply not paying its bills for a while. defaulting economically, that sort of thing.
i really don't think they'd evaporate, or stop enforcing laws or simply go away in any good or useful way.

No, that is not what it means.

[The Black Forrest]

Ahh but this time it's a bit different.

They were arguing over funding levels. The Republicans didn't want to defund medicare or education.

They basically guaranteed Clintons re-election with that stunt.

The nutters that are now calling themselves republicans really don't want to negotiate over anything.

I can see them loosing the house over this......

Ok worst case scenario, how long can the shutdown last?

If they lose the house, who will be hurt? I mean, other than the Republicans themselves, they don't count.

Say they did loose the house. It would be bad for everybody.

It's a bad thing when one party controls all three sections. When ownership is split; there is at least a "checks and balance" over issues rather then a "rubber stamp" approach.

I really can't say how long it will last.

Normal thinking would be the bad publicity cutting it shorter then they would want. The Repubs of 95/96 weren't as delusional as this batch. Gingrich had control. Boehner does not.

If I had to swag it? Worst case 2-3 weeks.

They may go for it as they are probably ignoring the effects from last time. Small business loan suspension, national parks and museums closed. Trash collection in DC. Medical Research interrupted. Passport services. I don't remember exactly but I seem to recall airlines and tourism took a hit.

It will be interesting to see what happens.

[HappyShark]

I would really love to see them truly push the limits of this, and see what the real political fall out would be.

[Norjagen]

Wouldn't really hurt my feelings if they shut down. The average day to day life of any given person is unlikely to change much. You're not going to see blood in the streets and nukes flying around just because the federal government closed its doors for a few days. Hell, they do that on just about every national holiday!

[Meridiani Planum]

http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/18/politics/shutdown-groundhog-day/index.html
So apparently, because of the Obamacare standoff, the US government might shutdown.

It's about time.

[Gauthier]

It's a bad thing when one party controls all three sections. When ownership is split; there is at least a "checks and balance" over issues rather then a "rubber stamp" approach.

I'd rather much prefer a Democratic Rubber Stamp as opposed to the Blatant Cockblock that the Republicans have been throwing Obama's way since Day One. "Checks and Balances" does not mean "Shut Everything Down Like Madagascar During An Epidemic And Demand Your Terms Despite Being The Party Out Of Power".

[Death Metal]

"Checks and Balances" does not mean "Shut Everything Down Like Madagascar During An Epidemic And Demand Your Terms Despite Being The Party Out Of Power".

To be fair, someone DID sneeze in France just now.

[Sibirsky]

Ok worst case scenario, how long can the shutdown last?

If they lose the house, who will be hurt? I mean, other than the Republicans themselves, they don't count.

Say they did loose the house. It would be bad for everybody.

It's a bad thing when one party controls all three sections. When ownership is split; there is at least a "checks and balance" over issues rather then a "rubber stamp" approach.

I really can't say how long it will last.

Normal thinking would be the bad publicity cutting it shorter then they would want. The Repubs of 95/96 weren't as delusional as this batch. Gingrich had control. Boehner does not.

If I had to swag it? Worst case 2-3 weeks.

They may go for it as they are probably ignoring the effects from last time. Small business loan suspension, national parks and museums closed. Trash collection in DC. Medical Research interrupted. Passport services. I don't remember exactly but I seem to recall airlines and tourism took a hit.

It will be interesting to see what happens.

I'm with you on checks and balances and rubber stamps.

2-3 weeks though, is not that long. 95-96 was 4 weeks.

Trash collection in DC is Federally funded? Why?

FAA probably, for the airlines and tourism.

[Norjagen]

It's a bad thing when one party controls all three sections. When ownership is split; there is at least a "checks and balance" over issues rather then a "rubber stamp" approach.

I'd rather much prefer a Democratic Rubber Stamp as opposed to the Blatant Cockblock that the Republicans have been throwing Obama's way since Day One. "Checks and Balances" does not mean "Shut Everything Down Like Madagascar During An Epidemic And Demand Your Terms Despite Being The Party Out Of Power".

Both parties are to blame for this. The Republicans have agreed to fund the budget, but only if funding is denied or delayed to the Obamacare program.

And the Democrats have refused to budge on Obamacare, insisting on an all or nothing standoff.

Both sides are playing partisan chicken, waiting for the other to blink, and both sides are to blame.

[Gauthier]

I'd rather much prefer a Democratic Rubber Stamp as opposed to the Blatant Cockblock that the Republicans have been throwing Obama's way since Day One. "Checks and Balances" does not mean "Shut Everything Down Like Madagascar During An Epidemic And Demand Your Terms Despite Being The Party Out Of Power".

Both parties are to blame for this. The Republicans have agreed to fund the budget, but only if funding is denied or delayed to the Obamacare program.

And the Democrats have refused to budge on Obamacare, insisting on an all or nothing standoff.

Both sides are playing partisan chicken, waiting for the other to blink, and both sides are to blame.

Are you trying to be hip and edgy now? The Supreme Court, the same one that gutted the Voting Rights Act and declared Corporations Are People, upheld Obamacare as Constitutional. Why the hell should the Democrats bend over for the Republicans as they did too many times before on Obamacare?

[Death Metal]

Why the hell should the Democrats bend over for the Republicans as they did too many times before on Obamacare?

Because if they don't, Rush Limbaugh will cry.

And his tears smell as foul as his blackened soul.

[Trelso]

Why the hell should the Democrats bend over for the Republicans as they did too many times before on Obamacare?

Because if they don't, Rush Limbaugh will cry.

And his tears smell as foul as his blackened soul.

Soul? I live in Britain and even I know he lacks a soul. (He sold it long ago...)

[Wikkiwallana]

And the Democrats have refused to budge on Obamacare, insisting on an all or nothing standoff.

Again, this is still bullshit. It's like blaming a mugging victim for not handing over their wallet.

[Salandriagado]

And the Democrats have refused to budge on Obamacare, insisting on an all or nothing standoff.

Again, this is still bullshit. It's like blaming a mugging victim for not handing over their wallet.

More like blaming them for not handing over their dentures after already handing over their wallet, keys, phone and jewelry, being as PPACA is already so far over to what the Republicans wanted.

[Xsyne]

Trash collection in DC is Federally funded? Why?

Because trash collection tends to be funded by the local government.

edit: tax and trash are not the same thing

[The New Sea Territory]

Why debate a waste of paper?

Because that "waste of paper" will influence the lives of million of Americans?

Or, we could finally realize that writing words on two thousand sheets of paper to force people to purchase something they may not want is bad, both wasting paper and forcing economic transaction on unwilling people. That is an initiation of force, therefore violating freedom of the individual.

[Frisbeeteria]

In U.S. politics, a government shutdown is a situation in which the government stops providing all but "essential" services.[1] Typically, services that continue despite a shutdown include police, fire fighting, the National Weather Service and its parent agencies, the postal service, armed forces, utilities, air traffic management, and corrections (the penal system).
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Causes

A shutdown can happen when a legislative body (including the legislative power of veto by the executive) cannot agree on a budget financing its government programs for a pending fiscal year. In the absence of appropriated funds, the government discontinues providing non-essential services at the beginning of the affected fiscal year. Government employees who provide essential services, often referred to as "essential employees," are required to continue working.

Specifically, in the case of the United States federal government, the Antideficiency Act, together with legal opinions, particularly one written by Attorney General Benjamin Civiletti in 1981, define what is and is not allowed in the absence of an appropriation.[2]
Effects

A federal government shutdown causes a large number of civilian federal employees to be furloughed. Military personnel are not furloughed, but may not be paid as scheduled.[3][4]

The exact details of which government functions would stop during a shutdown is determined by the Office of Management and Budget.[5] However, some specific aspects have applied to all shutdowns in the past. Among these is the closure of national parks and passport offices.[6] "Emergency personnel" continue to be employed, including the military, border agents, doctors and nurses working in federal hospitals, and air traffic controllers.[7] Members of Congress continue to be paid, because their pay cannot be altered except by direct law.[8] Mail delivery is not affected as it is self-funded.[9]

Shutdowns in the past have also affected the Washington, D.C. municipal government, putting a stop to utilities such as garbage collection, this can include schools, though shutdowns evidently occur during the weekend

[Wikkiwallana]

That is an initiation of force

And?

[Farnhamia]

That is an initiation of force

And?

And taxes are theft and you are not the boss of him. We have been over this, you know.

[Divair]

Oh, and claims that most Americans are against Obamacare?

Pretty much wrong, says Politifact: http://www.politifact.com/florida/state ... poses-gov/

Leave it to Heritage to have the biased, selective poll.

That and a lot of polls, for some reason, include "did not go far enough" with "oppose".

[Nigerian Kenya]

Oh, and claims that most Americans are against Obamacare?

Pretty much wrong, says Politifact: http://www.politifact.com/florida/state ... poses-gov/

Leave it to Heritage to have the biased, selective poll.

That and a lot of polls, for some reason, include "did not go far enough" with "oppose".

Well, because the first question is "favor or oppose", and a majority oppose. But the second question is why do you oppose, "too liberal" or "not liberal enough". If you add the 40 percent or so who favor to the 15 percent who oppose because it's not liberal enough, that's a majority of people.

A true statement would be "While a majority of the public opposes ObamaCare, the number that either support it or think it needs to do more is also a majority.

[Condunum]

Why yes, I do mean them. They will tell you that they are enjoying the fruits of unregulated corporate contributions to election funds, resulting in corporate ownership of politicians who plan on keeping their jobs.

What the fuck does any of that shit have to do with deregulation?

You're just using words, without any fucking clue to what they mean.

Well, somehow you've missed what he was saying.

[Cameroi]

you know, oddly enough, i don't really expect to see senators and congress people leaping to their deaths from tenth story office building windows.

[The Black Forrest]

you know, oddly enough, i don't really expect to see senators and congress people leaping to their deaths from tenth story office building windows.

Of course. They think they are a critical service so they continue to get paid......

[Nervium]

Isn't a big surprise with a communist running things.

Kidding people, kidding.