US Government Shutdown? Not any more!

[Norstal]

A message just arrived in the House from the president.

I think the Onion has more on this developing story:

http://www.theonion.com/articles/obama- ... -ur,20364/

[Myrensis]

Beware if the Tea Party and the Democrats both decide to want Boehner out but for different reasons. You see there is an ethics complaint from one side (Democrats) and an ideology complaint of Boehner as a coward or traitor to the Tea Party itself. Removal might be necessary as he might be a lame duck Speaker.

There isn't really a downside to Boehner being removed as Speaker for the Democrats. After having all ready pissed them off and dragged them through the mud in this epic failure of a showdown, the Tea Party would need near completely unity from the rest of the caucus to get one of their own to replace him...which won't happen. So the new Speaker would most likely win via the moderate/sane block of the GOP caucus with Democrat backing, while the Tea Party sits in a corner foaming at the mouth about liberal traitors.

I'm actually not all that tremendously worried. The Democrats have made it clear that these tactics are not going to be tolerated anymore(I'm pretty sure, based on everything I've heard about the Senate deal, that Republicans got approximately nothing that they wanted), and the Republicans would need 60 seats in the Senate to do anything meaningful. So the Republicans will hold the House, they might even pick up a few senate seats next year, but I expect it to be all down hill for them after 2016. Especially if God is kind enough to let a true dyed in the wool Tea Partier get the Republican nomination.

[Greed and Death]

Cruz wont delay the vote.

[Divair]

Message is being read. It's about narcotic smugglers in Colombia.

[Greed and Death]

Message from President is about drug traffickers in Colombia.

[Aquafireland]

10 more hours until it emplodes.

[Farnhamia]

What amendments?

One can interpret the components of the 14th Amendment out of section 4 and section 5. Section 5 specifically mentions Congress shall have the power to enforce elements of Section 4 which is that all debts shall not be questioned. The debt ceiling might only be removed via a new Constitutional amendment as to permit figures other than Congress to prevent a default via the existing debt ceiling. The US in particular has had one since 1917 as to prevent unlimited war spending in WWI. Only the US and Denmark possess debt ceilings and can default without being insolvent in debt interest.

Yes, but the amendments you mention have nothing to do with the imposition of the ceiling. It was imposed by Congress through various laws passed. Those acts can be repealed without amending the Constitution. The 14th actually contradicts the idea of a debt ceiling because it says all debts of the US must be honored. The debt ceiling imposes a limit on the amount of borrowing that can be done to pay those debts.

[Napkiraly]

Well, that elevates one fear.

[Greed and Death]

Message is being read. It's about narcotic smugglers in Colombia.

At first when it said national emergency I thought he jumped the gun on the constitutional option.

[Jamjai]

I hate the government... plus 12 hours left according to my location

[Divair]

Message is being read. It's about narcotic smugglers in Colombia.

At first when it said national emergency I thought he jumped the gun on the constitutional option.

For a very brief second I thought he'd found some loophole or method of bypassing Congress. And then it was about smugglers in Colombia. Why is this even a thing?

[Divair]

jesus fuck lol

Some guy called into C-SPAN saying that China will take back their debt and invade Taiwan.

[United Dependencies]

So who is going to vote first?

[Napkiraly]

At first when it said national emergency I thought he jumped the gun on the constitutional option.

For a very brief second I thought he'd found some loophole or method of bypassing Congress. And then it was about smugglers in Colombia. Why is this even a thing?

Because Tony Montana must be brought into custody at all costs.

[Divair]

So who is going to vote first?

House, it seems.

[Greed and Death]

At first when it said national emergency I thought he jumped the gun on the constitutional option.

For a very brief second I thought he'd found some loophole or method of bypassing Congress. And then it was about smugglers in Colombia. Why is this even a thing?

There is an argument that the least unconstitutional path would be to ignore the debt ceiling.

The drug smuggler thing is likely a message he resends every 90 days.

[Farnhamia]

For a very brief second I thought he'd found some loophole or method of bypassing Congress. And then it was about smugglers in Colombia. Why is this even a thing?

Because Tony Montana must be brought into custody at all costs.

Where is Carlos Danger when we need him?

[Greed and Death]

jesus fuck lol

Some guy called into C-SPAN saying that China will take back their debt and invade Taiwan.

They stopped taking calls after that.

[Shofercia]

So who is going to vote first?

The Senate will give the House the bill, Boehner will shoot it down. Then House will do the same, and Reid will box it out. Then the one hour mark will dawn, and they'll work a compromise. And once they do, I'll post this just for shits and giggles:



And we'll all be on our merry way on NSG again, discussing topics absolutely vital to human survival, like "can you believe that Mormons were mean?"

[Divair]

jesus fuck lol

Some guy called into C-SPAN saying that China will take back their debt and invade Taiwan.

They stopped taking calls after that.

Must've gotten sick of the people calling in screaming "OMG BUT WE CANNOT MORE DEBT FFS OBAMA!" Are Tea Party fanboys the only people who call in?

[Fartsniffage]

At first when it said national emergency I thought he jumped the gun on the constitutional option.

For a very brief second I thought he'd found some loophole or method of bypassing Congress. And then it was about smugglers in Colombia. Why is this even a thing?

It was a warning. Obamas way of pointing out that it's easy for a man to just *disappear*....

[Napkiraly]

Because Tony Montana must be brought into custody at all costs.

Where is Carlos Danger when we need him?

Don't worry, he's met with Tom Cruise and is riding into the Danger Zone.

[Lantianguo]

Summary
Here's a summary of the deal announced on the Senate floor. The bill would:

• Reopen government and fund it through 15 January 2014.

• Push the debt ceiling deadline back to 7 February 2014.

• Appoint members of a budget conference committee to join the House in trying to pass a budget and end the cycle of standoffs.

• Institute an anti-fraud provision in Obamacare requiring government to confirm financial need of the recipients of health subsidies.

... is that it? 7th February 2014? We get barely 3 months before we have to go through this shit all. over. again?

[Divair]

Summary
Here's a summary of the deal announced on the Senate floor. The bill would:

• Reopen government and fund it through 15 January 2014.

• Push the debt ceiling deadline back to 7 February 2014.

• Appoint members of a budget conference committee to join the House in trying to pass a budget and end the cycle of standoffs.

• Institute an anti-fraud provision in Obamacare requiring government to confirm financial need of the recipients of health subsidies.

... is that it? 7th February 2014? We get barely 3 months before we have to go through this shit all. over. again?

'Murica

[Napkiraly]

Summary
Here's a summary of the deal announced on the Senate floor. The bill would:

• Reopen government and fund it through 15 January 2014.

• Push the debt ceiling deadline back to 7 February 2014.

• Appoint members of a budget conference committee to join the House in trying to pass a budget and end the cycle of standoffs.

• Institute an anti-fraud provision in Obamacare requiring government to confirm financial need of the recipients of health subsidies.

... is that it? 7th February 2014? We get barely 3 months before we have to go through this shit all. over. again?

Think about how much fun it'll be.