US Government Shutdown? Not any more!

[Camicon]

You can watch Congress live on BBC.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-24552841

Somewhat off topic, but I love how the volume on that feed goes up to 11.

Thanks for the link though.

I drop us back down to 25% chance of default.

Have confidence that the Tea Party will fuck this up, somehow.

[Myrensis]

Not the brightest idea because Boehner can just hide it in storage much like Republican proposals in the Senate with Harry Reid.

Not really, this is pretty much end game. The House failed in their attempts to extract concessions, they can't even put the votes together to pass a new attempt, and Boehner effectively punted to the Senate. With the debt ceiling hitting in 12 hours, trying to hide now will just get him crucified by both sides.

[The Serbian Empire]

Not the brightest idea because Boehner can just hide it in storage much like Republican proposals in the Senate with Harry Reid.

It makes it harder for Cruz to filibuster it.

Need sixty to stop Mr. Green Eggs and Ham!

He's run out of options. He cannot deliberately force the country into default. It's going to be bad enough for the GOP next year but to be seen actively working to crash the economy?

I'm more surprised that senate Republicans are working with the Democrats. Shame House Republicans have to do their job of representing their constituents.

Most House Republicans don't face a state wide election, but a district election where most of them are in districts which are strongly Republican.

[Greed and Death]

House representatives, get 1 minute to talk.

Senators get 10 minutes to talk.

[Ekoridge]

Well, I'm just disappointed in the government's ability to govern itself. And I'm also disappointed that my plan to go to Europe is now proven to be useless, since apparently the depression will be world-wide.

May I take the time to say, "THIS SUCKS A$$, BUT I GUESS I SHOULD BE CAREFUL WHAT I WISH FOR!" All those hours spent playing Fallout, Metro 2033 and other survival games have trained me for this moment.

I predict the new inside joke (if they default) is going to be 'Thanks, Obama.'

One more day and no 4th day glitch to save us this time.

If anyone can detail exactly what is expected to happen, then I'd be greatly thankful.

Until then I feel really foolish going off of the Zombie Survival Guide for advice.

Things enclosed in spoilers make me sound fanatic and stupid, disregard them if you want to take me seriously.

[Maineiacs]

I drop us back down to 25% chance of default.

I'll regret asking this. Chalk it up to morbid curiosity: Why on earth would anyone want a default?

[Greed and Death]

I drop us back down to 25% chance of default.

I'll regret asking this. Chalk it up to morbid curiosity: Why on earth would anyone want a default?

It would make the mandate harder to enforce.

Anyways the house floor, they are speaking.
http://www.c-span.org/Live-Video/C-SPAN/

[Zepplien]

I am looking forward to the default now

The same way I look forward to the power going out with the snow

I like it ahead of time, but the minute it actually comes I am cursing, and crying

[The Serbian Empire]

Not the brightest idea because Boehner can just hide it in storage much like Republican proposals in the Senate with Harry Reid.

Not really, this is pretty much end game. The House failed in their attempts to extract concessions, they can't even put the votes together to pass a new attempt, and Boehner effectively punted to the Senate. With the debt ceiling hitting in 12 hours, trying to hide now will just get him crucified by both sides.

Beware if the Tea Party and the Democrats both decide to want Boehner out but for different reasons. You see there is an ethics complaint from one side (Democrats) and an ideology complaint of Boehner as a coward or traitor to the Tea Party itself. Removal might be necessary as he might be a lame duck Speaker.

[Democratic Koyro]

House representatives, get 1 minute to talk.

Senators get 10 minutes to talk.

To paraphrase The Dictator:

Cruz: "How long have they given me?"

"10 minutes, sir."

Cruz: "I will talk for 48 hours! and 4 of those hours will be untranslatable, literally baby noises, bleh, blabahbleh, gibble blableh....."

Everyone else: sigh...

[Condunum]

And we get a depression worst than the 2009 Crisis...

Worth it if it makes the mandate harder to enforce.

I honestly think that attempting this should be put in law as treason. You're literally asking for a depression because you've created an ocean of Obamacare hate tears. Getting rid of the AHCA is not worth crashing the economy.

[Greed and Death]

House representatives, get 1 minute to talk.

Senators get 10 minutes to talk.

To paraphrase The Dictator:

Cruz: "How long have they given me?"

"10 minutes, sir."

Cruz: "I will talk for 48 hours! and 4 of those hours will be untranslatable, literally baby noises, bleh, blabahbleh, gibble blableh....."

Everyone else: sigh...

I for one hope so.

[Myrensis]

Beware if the Tea Party and the Democrats both decide to want Boehner out but for different reasons. You see there is an ethics complaint from one side (Democrats) and an ideology complaint of Boehner as a coward or traitor to the Tea Party itself. Removal might be necessary as he might be a lame duck Speaker.

There isn't really a downside to Boehner being removed as Speaker for the Democrats. After having all ready pissed them off and dragged them through the mud in this epic failure of a showdown, the Tea Party would need near completely unity from the rest of the caucus to get one of their own to replace him...which won't happen. So the new Speaker would most likely win via the moderate/sane block of the GOP caucus with Democrat backing, while the Tea Party sits in a corner foaming at the mouth about liberal traitors.

[Edward Richtofen]

I've heard they reached an agreement. check msnbc

[Greed and Death]

Worth it if it makes the mandate harder to enforce.

I honestly think that attempting this should be put in law as treason. You're literally asking for a depression because you've created an ocean of Obamacare hate tears. Getting rid of the AHCA is not worth crashing the economy.

That is a subjective decision for each person to make on his own.

[The Serbian Empire]

Beware if the Tea Party and the Democrats both decide to want Boehner out but for different reasons. You see there is an ethics complaint from one side (Democrats) and an ideology complaint of Boehner as a coward or traitor to the Tea Party itself. Removal might be necessary as he might be a lame duck Speaker.

There isn't really a downside to Boehner being removed as Speaker for the Democrats. After having all ready pissed them off and dragged them through the mud in this epic failure of a showdown, the Tea Party would need near completely unity from the rest of the caucus to get one of their own to replace him...which won't happen. So the new Speaker would most likely win via the moderate/sane block of the GOP caucus with Democrat backing, while the Tea Party sits in a corner foaming at the mouth about liberal traitors.

Remember about gerrymandered districts. Those things aren't for moderate politicians, but to allow more extreme ones to take hold. The Tea Party might last for another nine years before the Census requires new district lines to be made for 2022.

[Divair]

Democrat reps are going on a rampage.

[The Serbian Empire]

Democrat reps are going on a rampage.

Good for removing some neo-conservatives in softer districts not so heavily GOP. I don't like them, but they do make up the voting base in primaries.

[L Ron Cupboard]

So who blinked first?

[Edward Richtofen]

So who blinked first?

probably the good guys

[Divair]

A message just arrived in the House from the president.

[The Serbian Empire]

So who blinked first?

Boehner, he's gonna start sobbing if he loses his post due to the combination of ethics issues and disapproval by Tea Party types.

[Democratic Koyro]

A message just arrived in the House from the president.

I sure hope it doesn't say "I surrender to all the Tea Party's intentionally destructive attention-seeking right-wing twattery unconditionally..."

[Camicon]

A message just arrived in the House from the president.

I sure hope it doesn't say "I surrender to all the Tea Party's intentionally destructive right-wing twattery unconditionally..."

That might be worth it, just to hear the President describe them like that.

[Napkiraly]

A message just arrived in the House from the president.

I sure hope it doesn't say "I surrender to all the Tea Party's intentionally destructive right-wing twattery unconditionally..."

Of course not.