US Government Shutdown? Not any more!

[Blasveck]

Pretty sure that was someone else, can't remember who though.

Still, I'd say that we have about an 80% chance of defaulting now. 23 hours to go and still nothing.

At least the Tea Party will lose nearly all its political relevance from this - they're even managing to piss off the fiscal conservatives and Wall Street.

The Senate is currently working through the night to get another bipartisan bill going.

CNN reported that.

If it doesn't get worked out and passed in the House in the morning/afternoon, there won't be enough time in the day to create a proper bill.

[Napkiraly]

Unless he designates someone else, it seems like it.

Yaaaay./sarcasm

I'd say it's very appropriate.

[Regnum Dominae]

Still, I'd say that we have about an 80% chance of defaulting now. 23 hours to go and still nothing.

At least the Tea Party will lose nearly all its political relevance from this - they're even managing to piss off the fiscal conservatives and Wall Street.

The Senate is currently working through the night to get another bipartisan bill going.

CNN reported that.

If it doesn't get worked out and passed in the House in the morning/afternoon, there won't be enough time in the day to create a proper bill.

The Senate is the easy part.

Getting anything through the house will be 100x harder.

[Greed and Death]

Still, I'd say that we have about an 80% chance of defaulting now. 23 hours to go and still nothing.

At least the Tea Party will lose nearly all its political relevance from this - they're even managing to piss off the fiscal conservatives and Wall Street.

The Senate is currently working through the night to get another bipartisan bill going.

CNN reported that.

If it doesn't get worked out and passed in the House in the morning/afternoon, there won't be enough time in the day to create a proper bill.

I suspect Ted Cruz will launch a talking filibuster. Will of God and all.

[Blasveck]

The Senate is currently working through the night to get another bipartisan bill going.

CNN reported that.

If it doesn't get worked out and passed in the House in the morning/afternoon, there won't be enough time in the day to create a proper bill.

I suspect Ted Cruz will launch a talking filibuster. Will of God and all.

He does that and we'll default.

I doubt the GOP ironically wants to be known as the Party That Ended America.

[Wilgrove]

The fate of the nation is in the hands of a single man?

Cool.

And if he invested like he did in 2011 default he will make money off the default
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/0 ... 93354.html

I'm adjusting my percentage of a likely default to 100%. We're boned.

[Jamjai]

Still, I'd say that we have about an 80% chance of defaulting now. 23 hours to go and still nothing.

At least the Tea Party will lose nearly all its political relevance from this - they're even managing to piss off the fiscal conservatives and Wall Street.

The Senate is currently working through the night to get another bipartisan bill going.

CNN reported that.

If it doesn't get worked out and passed in the House in the morning/afternoon, there won't be enough time in the day to create a proper bill.

Its like that one t.v show 24

[Greed and Death]

I suspect Ted Cruz will launch a talking filibuster. Will of God and all.

He does that and we'll default.

I doubt the GOP ironically wants to be known as the Party That Ended America.

The GOP heavens no.

But Ted Cruz, that is another story.

[Nigerian Kenya]

Current Chance of Default: 73.9% .

The New Jersey Special Senate Election tomorrow should be a good indicator of the initial democratic boost from this situation - the more blame being directed toward the Republicans, the less votes Lonegan will get.

[Napkiraly]

I suspect Ted Cruz will launch a talking filibuster. Will of God and all.

He does that and we'll default.

I doubt the GOP ironically wants to be known as the Party That Ended America.

Remember though, in their eyes this will save America. So to them, they wont think that's what they'll be known as if there is a default.

[Valendia]

Still, I'd say that we have about an 80% chance of defaulting now. 23 hours to go and still nothing.

At least the Tea Party will lose nearly all its political relevance from this - they're even managing to piss off the fiscal conservatives and Wall Street.

The Senate is currently working through the night to get another bipartisan bill going.

CNN reported that.

If it doesn't get worked out and passed in the House in the morning/afternoon, there won't be enough time in the day to create a proper bill.

Obama could, in theory, just order the treasury to keep borrowing.

[Greed and Death]

He does that and we'll default.

I doubt the GOP ironically wants to be known as the Party That Ended America.

Remember though, in their eyes this will save America. So to them, they wont think that's what they'll be known as if there is a default.

I agree I think this will be for the betterment of America.

[Ainin]

He does that and we'll default.

I doubt the GOP ironically wants to be known as the Party That Ended America.

Remember though, in their eyes this will save America. So to them, they wont think that's what they'll be known as if there is a default.

I fully agree this will save America. It will mean the GOP will get a smaller chance of coming into power.

[Blasveck]

The Senate is currently working through the night to get another bipartisan bill going.

CNN reported that.

If it doesn't get worked out and passed in the House in the morning/afternoon, there won't be enough time in the day to create a proper bill.

Obama could, in theory, just order the treasury to keep borrowing.

Obama can't do anything without violating the Constitution. (Save for the House and Senate passing something)

Though he may have to do that. I have my doubts that it will pass in the courts, however.

[Napkiraly]

Remember though, in their eyes this will save America. So to them, they wont think that's what they'll be known as if there is a default.

I fully agree this will save America. It will mean the GOP will get a smaller chance of coming into power.

Would rather like to avoid a default. Think about what it'll do to the NHL season...

[Valendia]

Obama can't do anything without violating the Constitution. (Save for the House and Senate passing something)

Though he may have to do that. I have my doubts that it will pass in the courts, however.

It might. The 14th Amendment requires that US debt has to be considered valid - i.e. attempts to cap it or not pay it are thus unconstitutional. As it stands it isn't clear whether debt ceiling legislation is actually Constitutional.

Plus, considering how dire the situation is, an emergency order may pass muster.

[Norjagen]

Every part of this government is to blame for different aspects of the shutdown. House republicans are responsible for the shutdown itself after rejecting numerous bills from the senate, Senate democrats are responsible for its continuation by rejecting numerous bills from the House, and the executive branch (and accordingly Obama) is responsible for the petty ways in which the shutdown has been made manifest, through the closing and barricading of memorials and cemeteries, the removal of water fountain handles along jogging trails, the closure of entire stretches of open ocean, etc.

I vote for tossing them ALL out and starting over fresh.

[Valendia]

Every part of this government is to blame for different aspects of the shutdown. House republicans are responsible for the shutdown itself after rejecting numerous bills from the senate, Senate democrats are responsible for its continuation by rejecting numerous bills from the House, and the executive branch (and accordingly Obama) is responsible for the petty ways in which the shutdown has been made manifest, through the closing and barricading of memorials and cemeteries, the removal of water fountain handles along jogging trails, the closure of entire stretches of open ocean, etc.

I vote for tossing them ALL out and starting over fresh.

The Democrats are at fault for rejecting a repeal of a bill which clearly has a public mandate and has been upheld in every branch of government? And Obama is at fault for following the law and shutting down non-essential services because he can't fund them?

Absolute rubbish. House Republicans are to blame for this, 100%.

[Brewdomia]

Looks like this little mess will end tomorrow. The Senate will pass their bill with broad bipartisan support, and Boehner will cave as expected. Nice work Barry.

[OMGeverynameistaken]

Seems appropriate.

[Napkiraly]

Every part of this government is to blame for different aspects of the shutdown. House republicans are responsible for the shutdown itself after rejecting numerous bills from the senate, Senate democrats are responsible for its continuation by rejecting numerous bills from the House, and the executive branch (and accordingly Obama) is responsible for the petty ways in which the shutdown has been made manifest, through the closing and barricading of memorials and cemeteries, the removal of water fountain handles along jogging trails, the closure of entire stretches of open ocean, etc.

I vote for tossing them ALL out and starting over fresh.

Rejecting the bills and caving in? Just so that it can be shown that all you have to do is come across, or actually be, batshit crazy enough that you'd be willing to let your country default? Over an issue, I might add, that won popular support as they didn't elect the guy who promised to have it repealed. Or they don't hate it to the point where they thought voting for Romney wasn't a good idea considering all of his other stuff. So yeah, public mandate.

And the House decided the government ought to shut down. Want memorials and cemeteries open? Tough luck, they aren't essential. Obama is just following the law on that. Personally, I'm rather miffed people are complaining about the parks over, say, NASA being shutdown.

No, only one group is responsible, and that is the Tea Party. They started this maelstrom of shit. It's their child, their baby, and everyone else got hit by it.

[HappyShark]

So, uh, is anyone imagining a US that looks like this.

(Image)

Green= Pacifica
Orange= California Commonwealth
Yellow= Great Plains Federation
Red= Republic of Texas
Teal= New England Alliance
Light Green= New Confederacy
Blue= European Expeditionary Force

No.

Well at least in a worst case scenario I can head back to the shire -- it will just be one of those it has been nice and all moments, but it is time for me to head home. Although I must admit the Pacifica Region kinda looks nice, I like the name too

[Norjagen]

Every part of this government is to blame for different aspects of the shutdown. House republicans are responsible for the shutdown itself after rejecting numerous bills from the senate, Senate democrats are responsible for its continuation by rejecting numerous bills from the House, and the executive branch (and accordingly Obama) is responsible for the petty ways in which the shutdown has been made manifest, through the closing and barricading of memorials and cemeteries, the removal of water fountain handles along jogging trails, the closure of entire stretches of open ocean, etc.

I vote for tossing them ALL out and starting over fresh.

The Democrats are at fault for rejecting a repeal of a bill which clearly has a public mandate and has been upheld in every branch of government? And Obama is at fault for following the law and shutting down non-essential services because he can't fund them?

Absolute rubbish. House Republicans are to blame for this, 100%.

Let's break that down, bit by bit.

The Democrats are at fault for rejecting a repeal of a bill which clearly has a public mandate and has been upheld in every branch of government?

The Democrats are at fault for rejecting over 10 bills from the house, aimed at restoring funding to various parts of the government, bit by bit. They have held out for a "clean" spending bill, with the same obstinate pigheadedness that the House held out for a bill that delayed or defunded Obamacare.

Obama is at fault for following the law and shutting down non-essential services because he can't fund them?

Yes, he is. If he is in charge of cutting services due to a lack of funding, then he, or someone under his command, needs to ensure that spending is, in fact, cut. The administration has committed more resources to shuttering some of these services than would actually be spent on keeping them open. By all means, shut down museums, zoos, tours, or otherwise heavily-staffed facilities, to cut expenses. When you start paying people to stand guard at cemeteries, boat launches, and nature trails to keep people out; or to set up traffic cones to keep people from pulling over to look at Mt. Rushmore, you're spending money, not saving it.

That said, Obama has never been shy about spending money he doesn't have in the midst of an economic crisis, now has he?

[HappyShark]

If at the end of the day they all agree it is better to burn the country down than to give in to the opposition, then this is what is going to happen.

It is a decision each person in the process needs to decide for themselves, it is ultimately their choice to make. We get to watch and throw comments around.

[Estruia]

The Citizens of the United States are to blame for the shutdown, and the impending default. We continue to vote these fools into office every election cycle, then look at each other utterly dumbfounded when the broken system continues to be broken.