US Government Shutdown? Not any more!

[Uieurnthlaal]

Improving would be arming every single baby with an AK-47.

But that's hardly an improvement.

Give the NRA time. They'll get around to it.

Where's the picture of babies armed with assault rifles when you need it ...

[Nigerian Kenya]

Romney is not president for reasons other than GOP obstructionism.

It's was that 47% comment that fucked him over. Showed the public his true colors.

Exactly. I maintain a fervent belief that that comment is what cost Mitt Romney the state of Florida, and possibly the states of Ohio & Virginia as well. The news media would have been right about the election being 2000/2004-close in the EC if Romney hadn't made the statement. Romney was behind in the polls before he made that comment, and that comment made it worse. All the first debate did at the end of the day was simply getting rid of the "make it worse" part - leaving behind the original Obama PV Lead.

When you practically proclaim that the Republican Party hates certain people (like Romney did with that statement), you don't get votes. Simple as that.

Now, Romney not saying the 47% statement probably wouldn't have resulted in a Romney Victory in the general election - changing one statement does not reverse history when you lose by as much as Romney did last year. But, while still undesirable, Obama winning 303-235 (Romney wins Florida), 290-248 (Romney wins Florida and Virginia), 285-253 (Romney wins Florida and Ohio), or 272-266 (Romney wins Virginia, Florida, and Ohio) all look a lot better than the 332-206 Obama win we actually saw last year.

[Death Metal]

Compare this to the systems in Canada, UK, Australia, Ireland, Iceland, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Germany, Estonia, Belarus, Ukraine, Moldova, Romania, Bulgaria, Greece, Cyprus, Azerbaijan, Armenia, Israel, Kuwait, Bahrain, UAE, Oman, Botswana, Mongolia, Thailand, Singapore, South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, East Timor, Australia, New Zealand, Argentina, Chile, Panama, Costa Rica, Venezuela, Cuba, Trinidad and Tobago, Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, Spain, Portugal, Andorra, Switzerland, Italy, Tunisia, Austria, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary, Croatia, and Bosnia and Herzegovina, a list that noticeably includes all developed countries except the US, and it becomes obvious that Obamacare, which only regulates the private healthcare industry, and doesn't nationalize it, is actually quite conservative.

It really shows how fucked up the politics of our country has become, from the most liberal entity in the world to a country that calls a policy that's more conservative than the policy of a SHARIA LAW NATION "evil liberal socialism"

[Uieurnthlaal]

Give the NRA time. They'll get around to it.

Where's the picture of babies armed with assault rifles when you need it ...

Eh, this is good enough (not really an assault rifle, but who cares) :

[Sibirsky]

No, somehow he managed to spout nonsense.

No... You really just didn't understand what he said. Deregulation would allow businesses to worm their way back into more power in congress.

Lol.

You do understand that it is the regulations that allow big business to control the government and vice versa, correct?

[Uieurnthlaal]

No... You really just didn't understand what he said. Deregulation would allow businesses to worm their way back into more power in congress.

Lol.

You do understand that it is the regulations that allow big business to control the government and vice versa, correct?

If your going to make a statement that runs contrary to all common sense, you might as well back it up with evidence.

I'm waiting. Like always.

[Sibirsky]

Lol.

You do understand that it is the regulations that allow big business to control the government and vice versa, correct?

If your going to make a statement that runs contrary to all common sense, you might as well back it up with evidence.

I'm waiting. Like always.

This is not contrary to common sense. It is, common sense.

Regulations are costly to comply with. Big business makes a fuss about it, just for show. But they want it, because it creates barriers to entry to the competition. Big business can afford to comply. Small business can't.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulatory_capture

[Uieurnthlaal]

If your going to make a statement that runs contrary to all common sense, you might as well back it up with evidence.

I'm waiting. Like always.

This is not contrary to common sense. It is, common sense.

Regulations are costly to comply with. Big business makes a fuss about it, just for show. But they want it, because it creates barriers to entry to the competition. Big business can afford to comply. Small business can't.

Common sense:
Regulations, by their very definition, restrict freedom. An absence of regulation, by its very definition, leaves freedom be.

I don't want a convoluted argument that may or may not be right. This isn't ancient Greece. I require a higher standard of evidence than speculative arguments.

[The Free Kingdom of Proprius]

A government shutdown? Debt Ceiling? Hmh?

Watch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIbkoop4AYE

In case you can't watch, here's a summary.
Congress artificially creates a problem to solve. It solves it in the nick of time, looking like an action hero that solves the presidents problems. Rinse and repeat when we reach the debt ceiling again. There's no way the government's actually going to shut itself down, don't panic.

[Sibirsky]

This is not contrary to common sense. It is, common sense.

Regulations are costly to comply with. Big business makes a fuss about it, just for show. But they want it, because it creates barriers to entry to the competition. Big business can afford to comply. Small business can't.

Common sense:
Regulations, by their very definition, restrict freedom. An absence of regulation, by its very definition, leaves freedom be.

I don't want a convoluted argument that may or may not be right. This isn't ancient Greece. I require a higher standard of evidence than speculative arguments.

See the edit. Evidence of how this happens was provided.

Yes, regulations restrict freedom. And cost money to comply with, as I already said.

Absence of regulations, means the government will not be controlled by corporations.

Fun fact. One of the first taxes Obama raised as president was the tobacco tax. The move was widely supported by Altria.

Explain to me why a manufacturer would support an increase in their product, without any of the extra revenue going to them, but instead, the federal government?

[Uieurnthlaal]

A government shutdown? Debt Ceiling? Hmh?

Watch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIbkoop4AYE

In case you can't watch, here's a summary.
Congress artificially creates a problem to solve. It solves it in the nick of time, looking like an action hero that solves the presidents problems. Rinse and repeat when we reach the debt ceiling again. There's no way the government's actually going to shut itself down, don't panic.

We half shut down last time. Even though basic funding stayed in place, many of the other areas of funding, such as air traffic control, foreign embassy security (and the GOP blames Obama for Benghazi), etc. There's always the possibility that they go so far that they don't pass a bill in time.

[The Free Kingdom of Proprius]

There's always the possibility that they go so far that they don't pass a bill in time.

That's actually a really good point. It is possible that they'll get lost in political maneuvering and get part of the government shut down for a while.

It would suck if you work for the post office, I guess. However, it won't create a dystopian nightmare with no police force.

[Death Metal]

A government shutdown? Debt Ceiling? Hmh?

Watch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIbkoop4AYE

In case you can't watch, here's a summary.
Congress artificially creates a problem to solve. It solves it in the nick of time, looking like an action hero that solves the presidents problems. Rinse and repeat when we reach the debt ceiling again. There's no way the government's actually going to shut itself down, don't panic.

We half shut down last time. Even though basic funding stayed in place, many of the other areas of funding, such as air traffic control, foreign embassy security (and the GOP blames Obama for Benghazi), etc. There's always the possibility that they go so far that they don't pass a bill in time.

He does have a grain of truth in his statement, though. The debt ceiling should be done away with. That doesn't mean we should just throw money at everything without coming up with more revenue, mind, I'm basically saying that the ceiling has proven to be more trouble than it's worth.

[Gauthier]

A government shutdown? Debt Ceiling? Hmh?

Watch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIbkoop4AYE

In case you can't watch, here's a summary.
Congress artificially creates a problem to solve. It solves it in the nick of time, looking like an action hero that solves the presidents problems. Rinse and repeat when we reach the debt ceiling again. There's no way the government's actually going to shut itself down, don't panic.

We half shut down last time. Even though basic funding stayed in place, many of the other areas of funding, such as air traffic control, foreign embassy security (and the GOP blames Obama for Benghazi), etc. There's always the possibility that they go so far that they don't pass a bill in time.

And the faction that can't stand a black man in the White House who isn't taking cues from Forrest Whittaker has increasingly dominated the Republican Party, much to the alarm of the establishment that would very much be the "they won't let government shut itself down" crowd.

[Uieurnthlaal]

We half shut down last time. Even though basic funding stayed in place, many of the other areas of funding, such as air traffic control, foreign embassy security (and the GOP blames Obama for Benghazi), etc. There's always the possibility that they go so far that they don't pass a bill in time.

He does have a grain of truth in his statement, though. The debt ceiling should be done away with. That doesn't mean we should just throw money at everything without coming up with more revenue, mind, I'm basically saying that the ceiling has proven to be more trouble than it's worth.

It is, after all, a useless measure, completely irrelevant to the actual problems associated with debt, and put in place merely to comfort misguided fears about the supposed danger of a rising debt.
For more information, you can always check Krugman's article about the debt ceiling. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/01/opini ... ugman.html

[Death Metal]

He does have a grain of truth in his statement, though. The debt ceiling should be done away with. That doesn't mean we should just throw money at everything without coming up with more revenue, mind, I'm basically saying that the ceiling has proven to be more trouble than it's worth.

It is, after all, a useless measure, completely irrelevant to the actual problems associated with death, and put in place merely to comfort misguided fears about the supposed danger of a rising debt.
For more information, you can always check Krugman's article about the debt ceiling. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/01/opini ... ugman.html

I assume you got auto-corrected with that "death" there, but yeah, pretty much in total agreement.

[Uieurnthlaal]

It is, after all, a useless measure, completely irrelevant to the actual problems associated with death, and put in place merely to comfort misguided fears about the supposed danger of a rising debt.
For more information, you can always check Krugman's article about the debt ceiling. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/01/opini ... ugman.html

I assume you got auto-corrected with that "death" there, but yeah, pretty much in total agreement.

Yep. I must have typed an h instead of a b. Stupid autocorrect.

[Greed and Death]

Well you can't always get the debt ceiling increase you want, and next year you likely wont get the budget you want either.

Just move on and accept the debt ceiling remains where it is and there wont be a budget in 2014.

[Uieurnthlaal]

Well you can't always get the debt ceiling increase you want, and next year you likely wont get the budget you want either.

Just move on and accept the debt ceiling remains where it is and there wont be a budget in 2014.

Ergo, a government shutdown.

[Greed and Death]

Well you can't always get the debt ceiling increase you want, and next year you likely wont get the budget you want either.

Just move on and accept the debt ceiling remains where it is and there wont be a budget in 2014.

Ergo, a government shutdown.

It is better than the alternative.

[Uieurnthlaal]

Ergo, a government shutdown.

It is better than the alternative.

Consider the last time we had a government shut down, in 1995. All non-essential services were cut automatically.

[Cuttrejul]

Common sense:
Regulations, by their very definition, restrict freedom. An absence of regulation, by its very definition, leaves freedom be.

I don't want a convoluted argument that may or may not be right. This isn't ancient Greece. I require a higher standard of evidence than speculative arguments.

See the edit. Evidence of how this happens was provided.

Yes, regulations restrict freedom. And cost money to comply with, as I already said.

Absence of regulations, means the government will not be controlled by corporations.

Fun fact. One of the first taxes Obama raised as president was the tobacco tax. The move was widely supported by Altria.

Explain to me why a manufacturer would support an increase in their product, without any of the extra revenue going to them, but instead, the federal government?

Lol, no reply. But what do you expect from liberals when presented with evidence and logic that contradicts their ideology?

[Destiny Island]

*Still waiting for Texas to secede*

[Ashmoria]

I cannot imagine how very much the other congressional republicans must hate ted cruz.

the house passed its stupid CR and are busy pretending that if the senate doesn't pass it too then the senate is shutting down government. but if ted ego cruz scuttles it without getting the dems to act on it then its still THEM shutting down government.

And yet I heard some guy on talk radio this evening talking about how afraid Democrats are of Ted Cruz and how they want to silence him.

lol

I think hes gonna go nowhere. he is too much of a demagogue and too little of a team player.

[Destiny Island]

Oh wait I forgot something.

Thanks Obama.