US Government Shutdown? Not any more!

[Vazdania]

oh my! So sorry.

US government, lets shut it down.

Don't be sorry, but the thread could go downhill if we bring up stuff like that.

And, there is no need to shut it down.

To get their objective? Yes. Yes there is a reason to shut it down.

[The Scientific States]

Don't be sorry, but the thread could go downhill if we bring up stuff like that.

And, there is no need to shut it down.

To get their objective? Yes. Yes there is a reason to shut it down.

There only reason is to repeal legislation that isn't even that liberal.

[Death Metal]

Well, there's the fact that the Obama administration improved the economy, improved civil liberties, improved gun rights, killed Bin Laden, and worked towards taking us out of the third world in health care.

But obstructionism was the final nail in the coffin.

improved gun rights?

Yep.

On May 22, 2009, President Barack Obama signed H.R. 627, the "Credit Card Accountability Responsibility and Disclosure Act of 2009," into law. The bill contained an amendment introduced by Senator Tom Coburn (R-OK) that prohibits the Secretary of the Interior from enacting or enforcing any regulations that restrict possession of firearms in National Parks or Wildlife Refuges, as long as the person complies with laws of the state in which the unit is found.[61] This provision was supported by the National Rifle Association and opposed by the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, the National Parks Conservation Association, and the Coalition of National Park Service Retirees, among other organizations.[62][63] As of February 2010 concealed handguns are for the first time legal in all but 3 of the nation's 391 national parks and wildlife refuges so long as all applicable federal, state, and local regulations are adhered to.[64] Hawaii is a notable exception. Concealed and open carry are both illegal in Hawaii for all except retired military or law enforcement personnel. Previously firearms were allowed into parks non-concealed and unloaded.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concealed_ ... park_carry

[Wikkiwallana]

It must be sad to be part of a movement that's in it's death throes.

I cannot imagine how very much the other congressional republicans must hate ted cruz.

the house passed its stupid CR and are busy pretending that if the senate doesn't pass it too then the senate is shutting down government. but if ted ego cruz scuttles it without getting the dems to act on it then its still THEM shutting down government.

And yet I heard some guy on talk radio this evening talking about how afraid Democrats are of Ted Cruz and how they want to silence him.

[Vazdania]

To get their objective? Yes. Yes there is a reason to shut it down.

There only reason is to repeal legislation that isn't even that liberal.

mhm sssuuuuurrrreeeeee.

[Death Metal]

There only reason is to repeal legislation that isn't even that liberal.

mhm sssuuuuurrrreeeeee.

Actually, yes, the AHCA isn't liberal at all. It's centre-right at best.

[Wikkiwallana]

Boehner is a traitor really to the Republican party. The idea that "He isn't in control" is a correct one, because he isn't. Boehner doesn't speak the Republicans language, except for a few of the Rhinos who have abandoned their constituints. As much as I hate Democrats... I also hate a number of Republicans.
Traitor Lindsey Graham, Chris Christie, John McCain.
Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, Mick Mulvaney, and Tim Scott seem to be the most obvious friends to the Tea Party and seem to stick with their constituints. I would also Jim DeMint, but hes president of the Heritage Foundation now.

How is that Tea-flavored Kool-Aid? You sure seem to enjoy it.

[Vazdania]

improved gun rights?

Yep.

On May 22, 2009, President Barack Obama signed H.R. 627, the "Credit Card Accountability Responsibility and Disclosure Act of 2009," into law. The bill contained an amendment introduced by Senator Tom Coburn (R-OK) that prohibits the Secretary of the Interior from enacting or enforcing any regulations that restrict possession of firearms in National Parks or Wildlife Refuges, as long as the person complies with laws of the state in which the unit is found.[61] This provision was supported by the National Rifle Association and opposed by the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, the National Parks Conservation Association, and the Coalition of National Park Service Retirees, among other organizations.[62][63] As of February 2010 concealed handguns are for the first time legal in all but 3 of the nation's 391 national parks and wildlife refuges so long as all applicable federal, state, and local regulations are adhered to.[64] Hawaii is a notable exception. Concealed and open carry are both illegal in Hawaii for all except retired military or law enforcement personnel. Previously firearms were allowed into parks non-concealed and unloaded.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concealed_ ... park_carry

That is ensuring gun rights, not improving them.

[Sedikal]

It's was that 47% comment that fucked him over. Showed the public his true colors.

I agreed with him.

Well obviously the American public didn't.

Don't be sorry, but the thread could go downhill if we bring up stuff like that.

And, there is no need to shut it down.

To get their objective? Yes. Yes there is a reason to shut it down.

There's a reason but it's fucking stupid and pointless because no matter how much they bitch and complain their will to have the government shut down until November 4, 2014 and that is only with 33 senators.

[The Scientific States]

There only reason is to repeal legislation that isn't even that liberal.

mhm sssuuuuurrrreeeeee.

Explain to me how forcing people to buy health insurance is liberal? It benefits insurance companies and it doesn't exactly benefit the people who are forced to buy it. Universal health care would be great, but I'll save that for when it's relevant.

[Vazdania]

Boehner is a traitor really to the Republican party. The idea that "He isn't in control" is a correct one, because he isn't. Boehner doesn't speak the Republicans language, except for a few of the Rhinos who have abandoned their constituints. As much as I hate Democrats... I also hate a number of Republicans.
Traitor Lindsey Graham, Chris Christie, John McCain.
Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, Mick Mulvaney, and Tim Scott seem to be the most obvious friends to the Tea Party and seem to stick with their constituints. I would also Jim DeMint, but hes president of the Heritage Foundation now.

I do believe you are mistaken kind sir or madam, Mr. McCain has become a traitor the the party, not Mr. Boehner.

[Vazdania]

mhm sssuuuuurrrreeeeee.

Explain to me how forcing people to buy health insurance is liberal? It benefits insurance companies and it doesn't exactly benefit the people who are forced to buy it. Universal health care would be great, but I'll save that for when it's relevant.

it totally helps them when their stocks drop sharply.

[Death Metal]

Yep.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concealed_ ... park_carry

That is ensuring gun rights, not improving them.

Did you even bother to read it?

COMPUTER. Bring up the last sentence in my quote box.

Previously firearms were allowed into parks non-concealed and unloaded.

Zoom in. *beat* And enhance.

Previously firearms were allowed into parks non-concealed and unloaded.

So, they weren't allowed concealed onto national parks. And now, with Obama's signature mind you, Americans can concealed carry on national parks for the first time in the history of the national park system.

Looks like gun rights...

*sunglasses*

...Got enhanced.


YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

[The Scientific States]

Explain to me how forcing people to buy health insurance is liberal? It benefits insurance companies and it doesn't exactly benefit the people who are forced to buy it. Universal health care would be great, but I'll save that for when it's relevant.

it totally helps them when their stocks drop sharply.

I don't see how ObamaCare would hurt insurance companies.

[Vazdania]

That is ensuring gun rights, not improving them.

Did you even bother to read it?

COMPUTER. Bring up the last sentence in my quote box.

Previously firearms were allowed into parks non-concealed and unloaded.

Zoom in. *beat* And enhance.

Previously firearms were allowed into parks non-concealed and unloaded.

So, they weren't allowed concealed onto national parks. And now, with Obama's signature mind you, Americans can concealed carry on national parks for the first time in the history of the national park system.

Looks like gun rights...

*sunglasses*

...Got enhanced.


YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

Improving would be arming every single baby with an AK-47.

But that's hardly an improvement.

[Sedikal]

Explain to me how forcing people to buy health insurance is liberal? It benefits insurance companies and it doesn't exactly benefit the people who are forced to buy it. Universal health care would be great, but I'll save that for when it's relevant.

it totally helps them when their stocks drop sharply.

To bad that's the natural cycle of stocks, they go up and down and that's what happens. I will admire I do wish that a more slimed down and stream lined Health Care Bill would be put out but I support Universal Health Care but this belongs in the ObamaCare thread.

[Death Metal]

Improving would be arming every single baby with an AK-47.

Not sure if serious....

[Wikkiwallana]

Boehner is a traitor really to the Republican party. The idea that "He isn't in control" is a correct one, because he isn't. Boehner doesn't speak the Republicans language, except for a few of the Rhinos who have abandoned their constituints. As much as I hate Democrats... I also hate a number of Republicans.
Traitor Lindsey Graham, Chris Christie, John McCain.
Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, Mick Mulvaney, and Tim Scott seem to be the most obvious friends to the Tea Party and seem to stick with their constituints. I would also Jim DeMint, but hes president of the Heritage Foundation now.

I do believe you are mistaken kind sir or madam, Mr. McCain has become a traitor the the party, not Mr. Boehner.

Please, continue your traitor-hunt all the way to a Democratic victory. We'll be extremely grateful.

[The Scientific States]

Did you even bother to read it?

COMPUTER. Bring up the last sentence in my quote box.



Zoom in. *beat* And enhance.



So, they weren't allowed concealed onto national parks. And now, with Obama's signature mind you, Americans can concealed carry on national parks for the first time in the history of the national park system.

Looks like gun rights...

*sunglasses*

...Got enhanced.


YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

Improving would be arming every single baby with an AK-47.

But that's hardly an improvement.

Hopefully you're joking...

[Sedikal]

Improving would be arming every single baby with an AK-47.

Not sure if serious....

Probably not.

[Wikkiwallana]

Improving would be arming every single baby with an AK-47.

Not sure if serious....

Does it even matter at this point?

[Uieurnthlaal]

There only reason is to repeal legislation that isn't even that liberal.

mhm sssuuuuurrrreeeeee.

Here we go again.

"Liberal" is not an inherently relative term. If you peg the center to be the middle of the views people have around the world, Obama is not a liberal. Take the main things he's most criticized for being "socialist" about:

PPACA/Obamacare: Requires insurance companies to provide coverage for those with pre-existing conditions, not dropping coverage during illnesses, requires people not otherwise covered to pay into the system unless otherwise exempt, expands medicare eligibility, and sets a cap on insurance costs dependent on income.
The third and last clauses are meant to keep the system affordable for all, despite stopping insurance companies from cutting corners.

Compare this to the systems in Canada, UK, Australia, Ireland, Iceland, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Germany, Estonia, Belarus, Ukraine, Moldova, Romania, Bulgaria, Greece, Cyprus, Azerbaijan, Armenia, Israel, Kuwait, Bahrain, UAE, Oman, Botswana, Mongolia, Thailand, Singapore, South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, East Timor, Australia, New Zealand, Argentina, Chile, Panama, Costa Rica, Venezuela, Cuba, Trinidad and Tobago, Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, Spain, Portugal, Andorra, Switzerland, Italy, Tunisia, Austria, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary, Croatia, and Bosnia and Herzegovina, a list that noticeably includes all developed countries except the US, and it becomes obvious that Obamacare, which only regulates the private healthcare industry, and doesn't nationalize it, is actually quite conservative.

Gun Control: No major action taken

I'll do this analysis later. The healthcare one took long enough.

[Uieurnthlaal]

Boehner is a traitor really to the Republican party. The idea that "He isn't in control" is a correct one, because he isn't. Boehner doesn't speak the Republicans language, except for a few of the Rhinos who have abandoned their constituints. As much as I hate Democrats... I also hate a number of Republicans.
Traitor Lindsey Graham, Chris Christie, John McCain.
Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, Mick Mulvaney, and Tim Scott seem to be the most obvious friends to the Tea Party and seem to stick with their constituints. I would also Jim DeMint, but hes president of the Heritage Foundation now.

I do believe you are mistaken kind sir or madam, Mr. McCain has become a traitor the the party, not Mr. Boehner.

I have but one request from you: keep voting. Particularly in the primaries. You would be doing America a great service by doing so.

[The Black Forrest]

mhm sssuuuuurrrreeeeee.

Here we go again.

"Liberal" is not an inherently relative term.

Well? Many cons and talking heads tend use liberal as a pejorative.

[Gauthier]

Improving would be arming every single baby with an AK-47.

But that's hardly an improvement.

Give the NRA time. They'll get around to it.