US Government Shutdown? Not any more!

[Condunum]

All I can really see this as is a political stunt to turn America's opinion of Obamacare even further south which is backfiring horribly for Republicans in office, because the public already views them are ridiculous cunts.

[Belmaria]

Coverage until I'm 26 will cause my premiums to go up.

Prove it.

Will extension of coverage not cause the cost to provide said coverage to increase?

[Ashmoria]

All I can really see this as is a political stunt to turn America's opinion of Obamacare even further south which is backfiring horribly for Republicans in office, because the public already views them are ridiculous cunts.

and in 10 days the exchanges open and people start talking about the great deal they are getting on insurance.

then its all over for the obamacare foes.

[Ashmoria]

Prove it.

Will extension of coverage not cause the cost to provide said coverage to increase?

it hasn't yet.

[Dyakovo]

Prove it.

Will extension of coverage not cause the cost to provide said coverage to increase?

That isn't proving your claim.

[Mavorpen]

Prove it.

Will extension of coverage not cause the cost to provide said coverage to increase?

By itself? Probably.

Thank goodness that isn't the only thing in the bill, eh?

[Belmaria]

Will extension of coverage not cause the cost to provide said coverage to increase?

That isn't proving your claim.

The burden of proof is actually on you, considering you support the changes in the new bill.

[Dyakovo]

That isn't proving your claim.

The burden of proof is actually on you, considering you support the changes in the new bill.

The burden of proof is on the person making absolutely no claims at all? I don't think you understand burden of proof.

[Mavorpen]

That isn't proving your claim.

The burden of proof is actually on you, considering you support the changes in the new bill.

Lolwat.

That isn't how it works. The bill is currently law. You want to change it. You need a reason, with evidence. Don't have it? Don't post on a debate forum.

[Ashmoria]

That isn't proving your claim.

The burden of proof is actually on you, considering you support the changes in the new bill.

no

if you make a claim you have to prove it.

and you cant prove it since the "to age 26" thing has been in effect for 3 years and hasn't cause a rise in premiums.

[Condunum]

All I can really see this as is a political stunt to turn America's opinion of Obamacare even further south which is backfiring horribly for Republicans in office, because the public already views them are ridiculous cunts.

and in 10 days the exchanges open and people start talking about the great deal they are getting on insurance.

then its all over for the obamacare foes.

Reading this makes me giddy, it seems.

Maybe I do hate the GOP as much as I'm supposed to.

[Condunum]

The burden of proof is actually on you, considering you support the changes in the new bill.

no

if you make a claim you have to prove it.

and you cant prove it since the "to age 26" thing has been in effect for 3 years and hasn't cause a rise in premiums.

Just in time, too. I would have been without insurance for years.

[Belmaria]

The burden of proof is actually on you, considering you support the changes in the new bill.

no

if you make a claim you have to prove it.

and you cant prove it since the "to age 26" thing has been in effect for 3 years and hasn't cause a rise in premiums.

Considering the fact that premiums increase every year, it would be incredibly difficult to find data for that point.

[Mavorpen]

no

if you make a claim you have to prove it.

and you cant prove it since the "to age 26" thing has been in effect for 3 years and hasn't cause a rise in premiums.

Considering the fact that premiums increase every year, it would be incredibly difficult to find data for that point.

No it isn't. All you need to do is demonstrate the premiums are rising faster than before.

Too bad we see the opposite.

[Condunum]

no

if you make a claim you have to prove it.

and you cant prove it since the "to age 26" thing has been in effect for 3 years and hasn't cause a rise in premiums.

Considering the fact that premiums increase every year, it would be incredibly difficult to find data for that point.

No it wouldn't. An increase in the rise of rates would be an indicator.

[Farnhamia]

Let's take the debate on specifics of Obamacare here, shall we? viewtopic.php?f=20&t=261512

This thread is about the looming government shutdown. I know the PPACA is central to the Republican argument but the discussion has gotten off topic and into things that more properly belong in the other thread.

[Vazdania]

http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/18/politics/shutdown-groundhog-day/index.html
So apparently, because of the Obamacare standoff, the US government might shutdown. What do you think NSers? Im blaming the Republicans, but please do not turn this into a flaming debate.

Discuss.

SHUT DOWN TIME!

[Ashmoria]

no

if you make a claim you have to prove it.

and you cant prove it since the "to age 26" thing has been in effect for 3 years and hasn't cause a rise in premiums.

Just in time, too. I would have been without insurance for years.

it is such a boon to so very many people.

its sad that so many republican governors (but not the governor of newmexico) and legislatures have decided that it is in their best interest to screw their low income residents out of the Medicaid expansion.

[Ashmoria]

Let's take the debate on specifics of Obamacare here, shall we? viewtopic.php?f=20&t=261512

This thread is about the looming government shutdown. I know the PPACA is central to the Republican argument but the discussion has gotten off topic and into things that more properly belong in the other thread.

yes ma'am.

[Ashmoria]

http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/18/politics/shutdown-groundhog-day/index.html
So apparently, because of the Obamacare standoff, the US government might shutdown. What do you think NSers? Im blaming the Republicans, but please do not turn this into a flaming debate.

Discuss.

SHUT DOWN TIME!

what do you see that is good about this?

[The New Sea Territory]

WAIT! THE US GOVERNMENT IS SHUTTING DOWN!?

Oh....false alarm. If were really shutting down, I'd be so happy.

[The New Sea Territory]

Let's take the debate on specifics of Obamacare here, shall we? viewtopic.php?f=20&t=261512

This thread is about the looming government shutdown. I know the PPACA is central to the Republican argument but the discussion has gotten off topic and into things that more properly belong in the other thread.

Why debate a waste of paper?

[Condunum]

Just in time, too. I would have been without insurance for years.

it is such a boon to so very many people.

its sad that so many republican governors (but not the governor of newmexico) and legislatures have decided that it is in their best interest to screw their low income residents out of the Medicaid expansion.

Somehow, they believe if they get all their money from the poor, they can make stuff better.

[Vazdania]

SHUT DOWN TIME!

what do you see that is good about this?

It'll just highlight how divided our country really is.

[Xeng He]

oh so you aren't a healthcare or insurance professional who actually knows what needs to be covered in an insurance plan.

you are just the kind of person who gets tricked into cheap but useless insurance.

He kind of has a point, though, in saying that he probably doesn't need abortion coverage/histerectomy coverage. It doesn't require healthcare expertise to say that's not a real risk.