1950s America: A Utopia?

[Saiwania]

Of course you fucking do. "Traditional male gender roles" means that you get to do shit like have a career.

I might enjoy the idea of being a masculine male who is a breadwinner but I'm just not good at it. I don't know if I'll ever get the career I'm trying to break into, I just don't know.

[Genivaria]

Well, if a soldier gets shot and she continues going forward...

I've decided! Women are to be drafted!

Lets not create a new gender role please...

It was a joke.

[Mkuki]

Lets not create a new gender role please...

It was a joke.

Or was it...


It was.

[Nervium]

Of course you fucking do. "Traditional male gender roles" means that you get to do shit like have a career.

I might enjoy the idea of being a masculine male who is a breadwinner but I'm just not good at it. I don't know if I'll ever get the career I'm trying to break into, I just don't know.

Then why support a silent apartheid if it fails you personally, doesn't make sense to me.

[Tulmania]

Agreed, but the thing is- I view gender roles as just something that is optional, instead of what should be rigidly enforced. I genuinely enjoy partaking in the traditional male gender roles and can't see myself being reduced to a house husband or metrosexual. I want to be more self accomplished and masculine where possible.

You sure about that? A traditional male gender role would include joining the military and fighting in a war.

Been there done that and I'm proud of it. Is there anything wrong with enjoying certain aspects that are traditional to your gender? I personally love being a man and everything that comes with it. That doesn't make me a bad person. It means I'm appreciative of my circum. Feeling bad about gender roles in this day and age doesn't even make sense anymore. Women take on the same roles as men do and the reverse is true as well.
A real man can come back from war and be the bread winner while still helping out around the house and changing diapers.

[Immoren]

Well, women have a higher tolerance of pain, ever seen a woman stub her toe? She doesn't whine about it.

Clearly that means women make better soldiers and laborers, you ladies should be taking care of US.

I, for one, welcome our new Amazon Overmistresses.

[Rio Cana]

Clearly that means women make better soldiers and laborers, you ladies should be taking care of US.

Well, if a soldier gets shot and she continues going forward...

I've decided! Women are to be drafted!

Watch the first 20 seconds of this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwBFlwe2eJU

[Stern des Meeres]

Clearly that means women make better soldiers and laborers, you ladies should be taking care of US.

I, for one, welcome our new Amazon Overmistresses.

As well you should. *nods*
We don't like people who aren't welcoming...

[Mkuki]

Well, if a soldier gets shot and she continues going forward...

I've decided! Women are to be drafted!

Watch the first 20 seconds of this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwBFlwe2eJU

That's it! This must be law. If a woman can do that without aiming then they must be the people defending our fair America.

[Dakini]

Well, if you want to control your spouse and make sure they're unable to leave you no matter how poorly you treat them, then making sure they don't have their own source of income or the sort of support network that coworkers can provide is a good way to do it.

I do suppose that's a good way to go about doing such a thing.

That's generally the case with men who act like this nowadays. It's one thing if two people agree that one of them should stay home and one volunteers or if one supports the other while job hunting. It's quite another for someone to insist that their partner stays home. Usually it's because they're an abusive shithead who wants to trap their partner.

[Dakini]

Of course you fucking do. "Traditional male gender roles" means that you get to do shit like have a career.

I might enjoy the idea of being a masculine male who is a breadwinner but I'm just not good at it. I don't know if I'll ever get the career I'm trying to break into, I just don't know.

Nobody knows that they'll make it until they do (and even then it's sometimes questionable).

[Genivaria]

I do suppose that's a good way to go about doing such a thing.

That's generally the case with men who act like this nowadays. It's one thing if two people agree that one of them should stay home and one volunteers or if one supports the other while job hunting. It's quite another for someone to insist that their partner stays home. Usually it's because they're an abusive shithead who wants to trap their partner.

Indeed, of course someone does have to stay home and take care of the kids but there's absolutely nothing to indicate that one gender is inherently better at home care and child-rearing then the other.

[Dakini]

That's generally the case with men who act like this nowadays. It's one thing if two people agree that one of them should stay home and one volunteers or if one supports the other while job hunting. It's quite another for someone to insist that their partner stays home. Usually it's because they're an abusive shithead who wants to trap their partner.

Indeed, of course someone does have to stay home and take care of the kids but there's absolutely nothing to indicate that one gender is inherently better at home care and child-rearing then the other.

Naturally.

[Arglorand]

That's generally the case with men who act like this nowadays. It's one thing if two people agree that one of them should stay home and one volunteers or if one supports the other while job hunting. It's quite another for someone to insist that their partner stays home. Usually it's because they're an abusive shithead who wants to trap their partner.

Indeed, of course someone does have to stay home and take care of the kids but there's absolutely nothing to indicate that one gender is inherently better at home care and child-rearing then the other.

Ideally, both parents take care of the kids at one point or other so the kids develop a decent, warm relationship with both of them.

[Genivaria]

Indeed, of course someone does have to stay home and take care of the kids but there's absolutely nothing to indicate that one gender is inherently better at home care and child-rearing then the other.

Ideally, both parents take care of the kids at one point or other so the kids develop a decent, warm relationship with both of them.

Ideally.
My parents divorced when I was 8 and my mother was to tired from work to really spend time with me and my sister.

[The Orson Empire]

Indeed, of course someone does have to stay home and take care of the kids but there's absolutely nothing to indicate that one gender is inherently better at home care and child-rearing then the other.

Ideally, both parents take care of the kids at one point or other so the kids develop a decent, warm relationship with both of them.

That's delusional.

[Scholencia]

Actually, I'd give that dubious honour to the Civil War. You know, the war where the President locked up hundreds of political opponents indefinitely and then proceeded to crush half of the country, which had revolted against him, with a lot of brutal violence.

Oh cry me a river. Lincoln wouldn't have attacked if they didn't bomb Sumter first. I'm sick of the revisionist bullshit which tries to play the south off as the "true america" which was crushed by statist tyranny.

Actually, the South was just a separate nation who did not feel to be part of the "American" nation. You have to have on mind that at the begin America was founded as a transnational organisation (like the Eu today) where people seen themself not as Americans but according to their state. This is also why the Federalist party opted to create an American nations instead of being divided into several separate countries.

[Arglorand]

Ideally, both parents take care of the kids at one point or other so the kids develop a decent, warm relationship with both of them.

That's delusional.

Not at all. I don't see why only one parent has to constantly stay at home. Let both parents have a job and take turns taking parental leaves to allow the children to spend time with both of them.

It's much more delusional and dangerous to let one parent or the other grow distant.

[Arglorand]

Ideally, both parents take care of the kids at one point or other so the kids develop a decent, warm relationship with both of them.

Ideally.
My parents divorced when I was 8 and my mother was to tired from work to really spend time with me and my sister.

Sorry to hear that. My parents divorced only recently, but my father was never particularly close to me, due to spending a lot of his time working and on his personal hobbies - leaving me and my sister largely to our mother's care, so I feel for you.

[Ifreann]

How could it possibly be a utopia if I wasn't there?

Perhaps it was utopic as they had foretold of your comming and prepared a pre-Ifreann celebration that lasted a whole decade?

Sounds about the right amount of time to celebrate my coming.

[Blakk Metal]

So NSG, I got to do some of that dangerous late-night thinking, and I thought about what it would be like to live in the 1950s, a time portrayed as somewhat of a Golden Age in American history. The time of sock hops and pink carnations, the 1950s economically and somewhat socially a prosperous time for America, after victories over Nazism and Imperial Japan, emerging out of the Great Depression as a world superpower.

The 1950s are generally portrayed as peaceful, carefree, and wonderful time in the media, when most everyone lived by the same ethics and standards. I personally do not think of the 1950s America as a Utopia, going by exact definition, given the social policies of the US and the looming threat of a nuclear war, but I'm curious to see NSG's opinion.

So, what is it? A Utopia, or just a period of prosperity in American history?

It was an utopia, for a conservative straight white cis christian male.

You can't even give them that.

lol. Maybe if you're white, straight, male and at least middle-class.

And if you like hiding under your desk pretending that this will protect you from a nuclear bomb.

Hilarously, on a PBS documentary (I forgot which one) the people who came up with the "Duck Under Your Desk" drill admitted they knew that it wouldn't do shit against an actual nuclear explosion

Only if the explosion was nearby.

[Death Metal]

I do suppose that's a good way to go about doing such a thing.

That's generally the case with men who act like this nowadays. It's one thing if two people agree that one of them should stay home and one volunteers or if one supports the other while job hunting. It's quite another for someone to insist that their partner stays home. Usually it's because they're an abusive shithead who wants to trap their partner.

This.

[Geilinor]

Ideally, both parents take care of the kids at one point or other so the kids develop a decent, warm relationship with both of them.

That's delusional.

It's delusional to not have one parent solely responsible for childrearing?

[Death Metal]

Ideally, both parents take care of the kids at one point or other so the kids develop a decent, warm relationship with both of them.

That's delusional.

How is that delusional? That's how most two-parent families operate these days.

[European Socialist Republic]

Not for a Godless Commie like me.