1950s America: A Utopia?

[Arglorand]

[Incorrect. There is a reason men are stronger than women, and it is for physical purposes (sports, heavy duties, and so on). Women too have their roles; keeping the house tidy and rearing children (although I have no qualms with her being employed, either...especially if it means a larger paycheck at the end of the week). This absurd modern mentality that everyone is equal based on gender is just society trying to know-tow to the left's claim that everything and everyone can be equal while ignoring blatantly obvious facts of human biology.

I find it really offensive that you would force me to do sports just because I was born a male.

I also find it really offensive that you would presume all men are stronger than women.

[Arglorand]

As I always say, a real man doesn't tell his wife to go the kitchen to make him a sandwhich. He goes to the kitchen himself to make two sandwiches.

He can also grab a beer while he's up.

So he's not just a lazy ass, he's also stupid.

[Death Metal]

There is no 'proper' way to behave based on gender.

Incorrect. There is a reason men are stronger than women,

And I stopped there, because that's untrue.

[Kiruri]

Incorrect. There is a reason men are stronger than women,

And I stopped there, because that's untrue.

^^

[The Orson Empire]

There is no 'proper' way to behave based on gender.

Incorrect. There is a reason men are stronger than women, and it is for physical purposes (sports, heavy duties, and so on). Women too have their roles; keeping the house tidy and rearing children (although I have no qualms with her being employed, either...especially if it means a larger paycheck at the end of the week). This absurd modern mentality that everyone is equal based on gender is just society trying to know-tow to the left's claim that everything and everyone can be equal while ignoring blatantly obvious facts of human biology.

Oh, this shit again. Gender roles just need to go away. Our society just needs to let it go. Men and women have the same capabilities.

[Death Metal]

As I always say, a real man doesn't tell his wife to go the kitchen to make him a sandwhich. He goes to the kitchen himself to make two sandwiches.

He can also grab a beer while he's up.

it doesn't have to be a beer, I can make mixed drinks too if you want.

[Kiruri]

Incorrect. There is a reason men are stronger than women, and it is for physical purposes (sports, heavy duties, and so on). Women too have their roles; keeping the house tidy and rearing children (although I have no qualms with her being employed, either...especially if it means a larger paycheck at the end of the week). This absurd modern mentality that everyone is equal based on gender is just society trying to know-tow to the left's claim that everything and everyone can be equal while ignoring blatantly obvious facts of human biology.

Oh, this shit again. Gender roles just need to go away. Our society just needs to let it go. Men and women have the same capabilities.

Exactly... when will society learn :/

[Dakini]

There is no 'proper' way to behave based on gender.

Incorrect. There is a reason men are stronger than women, and it is for physical purposes (sports, heavy duties, and so on).

I love how the reasons you list are generally unnatural...

Women too have their roles; keeping the house tidy and rearing children

How in the fuck are women better at this?

(although I have no qualms with her being employed, either...especially if it means a larger paycheck at the end of the week)

This is not part of the "traditional" gender roles from the 1950s, just so you know.

This absurd modern mentality that everyone is equal based on gender is just society trying to know-tow to the left's claim that everything and everyone can be equal while ignoring blatantly obvious facts of human biology.

Ah yes. A nice strawman and assorted bullshit.

1. I love the part where you think that the part in bold is perfectly fine.
2. Make your own fucking sandwich, I have better things to do with my time.

I didn't say it was fine...you can imply that I did, but you would be incorrect. I simply didn't address the issue (but if you must know, I wouldn't be supportive of it).

In response to a post that was complaining about how women were trapped in the home which raised issues about spousal abuse, you said it was best that women and men know their appropriate roles. This implies that you endorse the idea that women's role includes being objects of abuse since this was part of a woman's role at the time.

[Dakini]

He can also grab a beer while he's up.

it doesn't have to be a beer, I can make mixed drinks too if you want.

Hmm... depends what's in the fridge and liquor cabinet.

[The Orson Empire]

Oh, this shit again. Gender roles just need to go away. Our society just needs to let it go. Men and women have the same capabilities.

Exactly... when will society learn :/

One major problem we humans have is that we fail to learn from the mistakes our ancestors made. And that is why this planet is still fucked up.

[Mkuki]

Exactly... when will society learn :/

One major problem we humans have is that we fail to learn from the mistakes our ancestors made. And that is why this planet is still fucked up.

Hey, hey. We do learn. It just takes so goddamn long.

[Kiruri]

Exactly... when will society learn :/

One major problem we humans have is that we fail to learn from the mistakes our ancestors made. And that is why this planet is still fucked up.

And that's why it will remain fucked up in all the foreseeable and unforeseeable futures

[Polio]

So NSG, I got to do some of that dangerous late-night thinking, and I thought about what it would be like to live in the 1950s, a time portrayed as somewhat of a Golden Age in American history. The time of sock hops and pink carnations, the 1950s economically and somewhat socially a prosperous time for America, after victories over Nazism and Imperial Japan, emerging out of the Great Depression as a world superpower.

The 1950s are generally portrayed as peaceful, carefree, and wonderful time in the media, when most everyone lived by the same ethics and standards. I personally do not think of the 1950s America as a Utopia, going by exact definition, given the social policies of the US and the looming threat of a nuclear war, but I'm curious to see NSG's opinion.

So, what is it? A Utopia, or just a period of prosperity in American history?

It was an utopia, for a conservative straight white cis christian male.

Otherwise, no, not really.

There was a lot of them in the 50s, it was a great time. I wish I was around back then sometimes.

[The Orson Empire]

It was an utopia, for a conservative straight white cis christian male.

Otherwise, no, not really.

There was a lot of them in the 50s, it was a great time. I wish I was around back then sometimes.

I know I sure as hell don't.

[The Orson Empire]

One major problem we humans have is that we fail to learn from the mistakes our ancestors made. And that is why this planet is still fucked up.

Hey, hey. We do learn. It just takes so goddamn long.

Yes, I admit, we do learn. But it often takes decades.

[Saiwania]

Even if you don't like the egalitarian argument for abolishing the social need for gender roles, consider this: if we end gender roles, and allow people to compete not on accidents of birth but on actual talent, then the economy, and progress, will improve as a whole.

Agreed, but the thing is- I view gender roles as just something that is optional, instead of what should be rigidly enforced. I genuinely enjoy partaking in the traditional male gender roles and can't see myself being reduced to a house husband or metrosexual. I want to be more self accomplished and masculine where possible.

[Mkuki]

Hey, hey. We do learn. It just takes so goddamn long.

Yes, I admit, we do learn. But it often takes decades.

I'd go more with generations.

[Kiruri]

There was a lot of them in the 50s, it was a great time. I wish I was around back then sometimes.

I know I sure as hell don't.

"now" is the best time, imho I can't live without technology Hehehe, plus society is much more open now than it ever was, so that's a plus. To each their own I suppose

[Arglorand]

It was an utopia, for a conservative straight white cis christian male.

Otherwise, no, not really.

There was a lot of them in the 50s, it was a great time. I wish I was around back then sometimes.

I don't.

Firstly because I care about other people's welfare, not just mine, and secondly because if I went back into the fifties, that would just mean I have to deal with a picture of Koba pretty much everywhere since going back in time doesn't automatically imply going to America.

[Death Metal]

It was an utopia, for a conservative straight white cis christian male.

Otherwise, no, not really.

There was a lot of them in the 50s, it was a great time. I wish I was around back then sometimes.

Ironic given your name.

[Mkuki]

I know I sure as hell don't.

"now" is the best time, imho I can't live without technology Hehehe, plus society is much more open now than it ever was, so that's a plus. To each their own I suppose

Just think about having to go to the library to do research for a research paper. Might as well be a time of apocalypse.

[Anollasia]

Not a utopia, but better in some ways.

[Gauthier]

lol. Maybe if you're white, straight, male and at least middle-class.

And if you like hiding under your desk pretending that this will protect you from a nuclear bomb.

Hilarously, on a PBS documentary (I forgot which one) the people who came up with the "Duck Under Your Desk" drill admitted they knew that it wouldn't do shit against an actual nuclear explosion and that it was more of a comforting measure to keep civilians calm.

[Dakini]

Even if you don't like the egalitarian argument for abolishing the social need for gender roles, consider this: if we end gender roles, and allow people to compete not on accidents of birth but on actual talent, then the economy, and progress, will improve as a whole.

Agreed, but the thing is- I view gender roles as just something that is optional, instead of what should be rigidly enforced. I genuinely enjoy partaking in the traditional male gender roles

Of course you fucking do. "Traditional male gender roles" means that you get to do shit like have a career.

[Kiruri]

"now" is the best time, imho I can't live without technology Hehehe, plus society is much more open now than it ever was, so that's a plus. To each their own I suppose

Just think about having to go to the library to do research for a research paper. Might as well be a time of apocalypse.