1950s America: A Utopia?

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

Of anytime.

Americans of the Northeast and the West Coast are centre to me. The others are all right-wing to far-right.

I'm wary of using the term "far-right" for democratic parties. Far-right tends to mean fascist or monarchist.

Generalizing a lot, Evangelicals and Southerners in average have quite paleoconservative values. The people on the Rockies and the hinterland Northeast states are not as reactionary, but surely the South and the non-Lakes Midwest are for comparison with the average person in Rio de Janeiro or São Paulo.

Far-right in the sense of social values is paleoconservatism to me. Of course, it is not the 'fascist' sense of far-right that I meant.

[Libertarian California]

I never said they weren't helping the Germans

Of course, you just said that they were helping the Allies and neglected that they were also hurting the Allies.

And? Their net contribution to the Allies was still positive.

And what the fuck is the relevance of that?

Considering that we started on this tangent because you acted like Canada (or the UK or France or the Allies who were in it before your country got off its collective ass) didn't matter, do you think the USSR is relevant here?

The relevance is that I was making a comparison to the Russians.


And are you really that dense? I thought that repeated use of 's would imply that I was joking when making comments about Canada and such.

Did you seriously get mad over what was obviously a sarcastic comment? You actually believe that I think the UK and Canada did not contribute?


Wow...

[Siaos]

I don't think the 50's was just for the upper class. It was good for the middle class, upper class and a some of the working class. The economy was also better in the 50's so the people in general were wealthier. The 20's is an era that was pretty much just for upper class. The 50's had a much broader appeal.

I'm pretty sure there were massive wealth gaps and poverty created by the economic boom.

Not at all. The 1940s were actually some of the most equal times in American history thanks to a mixture of great economy and high taxes on the rich.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_ine ... ted_States
Scroll down to the chart to see.

[Condunum]

Since when is that bad?

When it's 90 fucking percent, it's bad. That's like, 50 percent more than it ever should be when not in an absolute economic crisis.

And yet much of the 50's was regarded as an economic boom

[The Scientific States]

I'm pretty sure there were massive wealth gaps and poverty created by the economic boom.

uh no

http://brainmass.com/history/us-history ... 877/292722

[Siaos]

uh no

http://brainmass.com/history/us-history ... 877/292722

The poverty was primarily due to a lack of good welfare in the US. People today often make much less but have better lives due to a good welfare system.

[Warda]

uh no

http://brainmass.com/history/us-history ... 877/292722

I'm pretty sure there were massive wealth gaps and poverty created by the economic boom.

Not at all. The 1940s were actually some of the most equal times in American history thanks to a mixture of great economy and high taxes on the rich.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_ine ... ted_States
Scroll down to the chart to see.

[The Scientific States]

http://brainmass.com/history/us-history ... 877/292722

The poverty was primarily due to a lack of good welfare in the US. People today often make much less but have better lives due to a good welcfare system.

Exactly. Just because life was good for some, it was bad for others due to the lack of a good social safety net. As the economy grew and grew some people were left behind and nobody was there to pick them up.

[Minarchist States]

Well thankfully Polish Americans are completely integrated now and no one is firebombing... Italians on the other hand...

Not really, they weren't liked, just like other typically Catholic communities.

Fun fact: Polish workers were prefered to Italian workers due to the stereotypes that Poles were hard working and Italians were lazy and useless.

[Mkuki]

Not really, they weren't liked, just like other typically Catholic communities.

Fun fact: Polish workers were prefered to Italian workers due to the stereotypes that Poles were hard working and Italians were lazy and useless.

Given Italy's lackluster performance during World War II...

[The Scientific States]

http://brainmass.com/history/us-history ... 877/292722

Not at all. The 1940s were actually some of the most equal times in American history thanks to a mixture of great economy and high taxes on the rich.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_ine ... ted_States
Scroll down to the chart to see.

Because the 1940's=/=1950's

[Siaos]

Fun fact: Polish workers were prefered to Italian workers due to the stereotypes that Poles were hard working and Italians were lazy and useless.

Given Italy's lackluster performance during World War II...

Fascist Italy is truly one of the world's greatest and most hilarious military blunders.

[Death Metal]

When it's 90 fucking percent, it's bad. That's like, 50 percent more than it ever should be when not in an absolute economic crisis.

And yet much of the 50's was regarded as an economic boom

That's because the 90 percent was mitigated by loopholes in the mid-50s. By 1952 the people who were supposed to be paying 90 percent were paying closer to 40.

[Warda]

Fun fact: Polish workers were prefered to Italian workers due to the stereotypes that Poles were hard working and Italians were lazy and useless.

Given Italy's lackluster performance during World War II...

Italy didn't do that bad. A lot of it has to do with when ever the Germans messed up, it was LOL TEH ITALIANS DID IT!!!! from commanding officers. They did pretty decent considering their lack of industry and the simple fact that Germany wasn't supposed to be declaring war on anyone until 1943.

[Mkuki]

Because the 1940's=/=1950's

Well, the chart indicates that income inequality did decrease even further during the 1950s.

[Vicswampia]

Fun fact: Polish workers were prefered to Italian workers due to the stereotypes that Poles were hard working and Italians were lazy and useless.

Doesn't mean they were liked.

I'm pretty sure a 50's person would choose an Anglo-Saxon White person over a Polish anytime.

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

Fun fact: Polish workers were prefered to Italian workers due to the stereotypes that Poles were hard working and Italians were lazy and useless.

Given Italy's lackluster performance during World War II...

I think this stereotype is applied to Romance language-related cultures in general. Not sure, though.

[The Scientific States]

Because the 1940's=/=1950's

Well, the chart indicates that income inequality did decrease even further during the 1950s.

I see. I guess I was wrong.

[Valkalan]

Since when is that bad?

When it's 90 fucking percent, it's bad. That's like, 50 percent more than it ever should be when not in an absolute economic crisis.

Precisely. The US however had the good fortune that most of the rest of the world was devastated by WW2, part of the communist block, or undeveloped leaving it with few economic competitors.

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

Given Italy's lackluster performance during World War II...

Fascist Italy is truly one of the world's greatest and most hilarious military blunders.

Even US, US, beated the crap out of them, almost dying of coldness in the European winter. xD

[Mkuki]

And yet much of the 50's was regarded as an economic boom

That's because the 90 percent was mitigated by loopholes in the mid-50s. By 1952 the people who were supposed to be paying 90 percent were paying closer to 40.

If the loopholes were that bad then it's probably best that the rates were over 85%.

[Mkuki]

Given Italy's lackluster performance during World War II...

Italy didn't do that bad. A lot of it has to do with when ever the Germans messed up, it was LOL TEH ITALIANS DID IT!!!! from commanding officers. They did pretty decent considering their lack of industry and the simple fact that Germany wasn't supposed to be declaring war on anyone until 1943.

I don't entirely agree, but at least the Italians managed to preserve Rome. Something the Germans failed absolutely to do with Berlin.

[Death Metal]

That's because the 90 percent was mitigated by loopholes in the mid-50s. By 1952 the people who were supposed to be paying 90 percent were paying closer to 40.

If the loopholes were that bad then it's probably best that the rates were over 85%.

Well the loopholes were (mostly) done away with when the rate itself was at a more sane amount.

[Libertarian California]

Values of the 1950s?

Of anytime.

Americans of the Northeast and the West Coast are centre to me. The others are all right-wing to far-right.

I seem to be an exception.

[Mkuki]

If the loopholes were that bad then it's probably best that the rates were over 85%.

Well the loopholes were (mostly) done away with when the rate itself was at a more sane amount.

Can you source that there was a direct link where less loopholes were caused by lower corporate tax rates?