1950s America: A Utopia?

[Vicswampia]

Utopic? Nah...

I could probably pass as the dominate social class though. Depends how much they accepted integrated Slavs.

Slavs had as much White privilege as Mexicans have nowadays.

[Lerodan Chinamerica]

Unemployment fell drastically, GDP reached phenomenal levels, the poverty rate fell by 8 million, etc. The Reagan Tax Cuts were flawed, but had undeniably positive effects. Yes, Bush was a crappy economist, yet his economics were virtually the same as Clinton's, just on a lesser scale.

Yes.

So you concede my point. Lovely.

Right before a massive crash that undid all that shit, and ended up making things worse.

The 1992 Recession was brief, and recovery came very quickly. It was not a 'massive crash' by any means; in fact it was probably one of the more mild recessions in US history.

[Maryginia]

Its so easy to say things like this looking back, when it was really a utopia of its time.

Sure...

Unless you weren't a Harvard or Yale legacy. Then it wasn't as good.

Or if you were Black, Hispanic, Asian, Russian, Irish, Italian, Catholic, Jewish, any non-Judeo-Christian religion for that matter including athiest, or if you were an Anarchist, Communist, libertarian, or social democrat. Then you were oppressed daily.

Actually, according to my grandparents, and Yes they and I are Jewish, Life for Jews wasn't too bad, Yes there was exclusion from many private schools, but the others founded were just as good if not better than the other Private schools, and the Jewish Neighborhoods, were pretty well off.

[Mkuki]

Depends on your last name.

Actually my last name had already been Anglified. It was an unpronounceable mess before. Buahaha

Depending on how "Eastern", as in Soviet Bloc, your name is you'd probably be harassed. Maybe even firebombed by radical reactionaries.

[Warda]

Actually my last name had already been Anglified. It was an unpronounceable mess before. Buahaha

They should make an online test. "What class would YOU be in 1920s US?"

It would be based on ethnicity, gender, accent, language, and whether you have a college degree.

Until the late 50s America had many clusters where it was cool to be part of that cluster. So it was cool to be x in that cluster, but god help you if moved.

[Siaos]

Actually my last name had already been Anglified. It was an unpronounceable mess before. Buahaha

Depending on how "Eastern", as in Soviet Bloc, your name is you'd probably be harassed. Maybe even firebombed by radical reactionaries.

Nah, you wouldn't be firebombed unless you lived in the south or if it was the middle of the red-scare.

[Dakini]

1. Yes, fuck everyone else because they don't matter. Fantastic.

Yeah, so? Are you implying everyone is born equally or should be treated such?

I'm "implying" that people don't deserve to be treated like shit based on the colour of their skin or what's between their legs.

[Imperial Nilfgaard]

Assuming you were white then sure, it was pretty good i guess.

[Minarchist States]

Bunk bunk and more bunk.

FDR had a recovery in his first year of office. The Depression was over before WWII even began.

My turn:

But this time I'll use facts to back up my case: unemployment did not recover to pre-Depression levels until 1940. That was recovery, to claim anything else is completely ridiculous.

It's commonly accepted that the economy healed slowly till WWII.

[Mkuki]

Sure...

Unless you weren't a Harvard or Yale legacy. Then it wasn't as good.

Or if you were Black, Hispanic, Asian, Russian, Irish, Italian, Catholic, Jewish, any non-Judeo-Christian religion for that matter including athiest, or if you were an Anarchist, Communist, libertarian, or social democrat. Then you were oppressed daily.

Actually, according to my grandparents, and Yes they and I are Jewish, Life for Jews wasn't too bad, Yes there was exclusion from many private schools, but the others founded were just as good if not better than the other Private schools, and the Jewish Neighborhoods, were pretty well off.

If you don't mind answering, what sect of Judaism were/are your grandparents in?

[Death Metal]

Bunk bunk and more bunk.

FDR had a recovery in his first year of office. The Depression was over before WWII even began.

My turn:

But this time I'll use facts to back up my case: unemployment did not recover to pre-Depression levels until 1940. That was recovery, to claim anything else is completely ridiculous.

But the GDP returned to pre-Depression levels in 1937. Furthermore, the GDP rose every year FDR was in office and unemployment dropped every year except I think 1939 (and the rise that year was corrected the next).

There was also a bust during the War, but that's what happens when almost all of your skilled workforce is fighting a war.

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

In Brazil we call everything right of social democracy "reactionary/conservative/right-wing" including most of American liberals, so

Thats interesting, I didn't know that Brazil was much farther left than the US.

Our Right is Alex Jones style (but worse) + corrupt politicians responsible for creating a copycat of Africa in many senses, so obviously every ideology that employs some Red Scare method (including anarcho-capitalism and other forms of right-leaning libertarianism) are ruthlessly ridiculed.

The people also went tired of all the social injustices, so the country elected an ex-Marxist guerrillera as president (don't think this would EVER happen in the United States) that we see since 2012 or so as centre-right. People who call the Workers' Party here left are seen with suspicion and those who call it communist are ridiculed because of our equivalent to Cultural Marxism! They are trying to turn our freedoms into Cuba! INFO WARS DOT COM!

Right-wingers are really shameless here, they compare attempts to create anti-discrimination laws and its possible addition as a backdoor anti-hate speech law in government, media and businesses to a dictatorship and Stalin's repression of religious people (when Churches are explicitly excluded from these), so this is all more than deserved.

[Mkuki]

Depending on how "Eastern", as in Soviet Bloc, your name is you'd probably be harassed. Maybe even firebombed by radical reactionaries.

Nah, you wouldn't be firebombed unless you lived in the south or if it was the middle of the red-scare.

The 1950s was the definition of Red Scare.

[Lerodan Chinamerica]

My turn:

But this time I'll use facts to back up my case: unemployment did not recover to pre-Depression levels until 1940. That was recovery, to claim anything else is completely ridiculous.

It's commonly accepted that the economy healed slowly till WWII.

Don't know if you'd even call it that. It was treading at a snail's pace, until the '37 double-dip brought it back down. FDR knew literally nothing about economics until he set up his Brain Trust, and even then he kept continually fucking over the American people with genuinely shitty programs like the NRA, the WPA and the AAA that simply exacerbated the Depression.

[Siaos]

My turn:

But this time I'll use facts to back up my case: unemployment did not recover to pre-Depression levels until 1940. That was recovery, to claim anything else is completely ridiculous.

It's commonly accepted that the economy healed slowly till WWII.

And much of that "healing" wasn't even real economic healing but rather lower unemployment due to government jobs implemented by Roosevelt.

[Kalibarr]

My turn:

But this time I'll use facts to back up my case: unemployment did not recover to pre-Depression levels until 1940. That was recovery, to claim anything else is completely ridiculous.

It's commonly accepted that the economy healed slowly till WWII.

Not at all. It's established fact that both GDP and industrial production recovered fairly rapidly under the new deal.

[Death Metal]

Yes.

So you concede my point. Lovely.

Right before a massive crash that undid all that shit, and ended up making things worse.

The 1992 Recession was brief, and recovery came very quickly. It was not a 'massive crash' by any means; in fact it was probably one of the more mild recessions in US history.

It was more 1986-1992. But with voodoo economics you can make numbers look like anything.

[Dakini]

That's nice. You were on about how the US was helping the Allies before joining the war as though they weren't also helping the Germans.

I never said they weren't helping the Germans

Of course, you just said that they were helping the Allies and neglected that they were also hurting the Allies.

I said they helped more than the Soviets did until the Nazis invaded Russia.

And what the fuck is the relevance of that?

Considering that we started on this tangent because you acted like Canada (or the UK or France or the Allies who were in it before your country got off its collective ass) didn't matter, do you think the USSR is relevant here?

[Lerodan Chinamerica]

My turn:

But this time I'll use facts to back up my case: unemployment did not recover to pre-Depression levels until 1940. That was recovery, to claim anything else is completely ridiculous.

But the GDP returned to pre-Depression levels in 1937. Furthermore, the GDP rose every year FDR was in office and unemployment dropped every year except I think 1939 (and the rise that year was corrected the next).

There was also a bust during the War, but that's what happens when almost all of your skilled workforce is fighting a war.

GDP returned, yes, but unemployment took a very, very long time to heal, so therefore the economy did not have a full recovery until '40.

[Kalibarr]

It's commonly accepted that the economy healed slowly till WWII.

Don't know if you'd even call it that. It was treading at a snail's pace, until the '37 double-dip brought it back down. FDR knew literally nothing about economics until he set up his Brain Trust, and even then he kept continually fucking over the American people with genuinely shitty programs like the NRA, the WPA and the AAA that simply exacerbated the Depression.

Funny you should mention that. The '37 recession was caused by a repeal of most of the new programs in an attempt to balance the budget.

[Siaos]

But the GDP returned to pre-Depression levels in 1937. Furthermore, the GDP rose every year FDR was in office and unemployment dropped every year except I think 1939 (and the rise that year was corrected the next).

There was also a bust during the War, but that's what happens when almost all of your skilled workforce is fighting a war.

GDP returned, yes, but unemployment took a very, very long time to heal, so therefore the economy did not have a full recovery until '40.

I will point out that the US joined the war in '41, so he was correct in that case. The GDP and unemployment was fixed before the US got into WWII.

[Minarchist States]

Actually my last name had already been Anglified. It was an unpronounceable mess before. Buahaha

Depending on how "Eastern", as in Soviet Bloc, your name is you'd probably be harassed. Maybe even firebombed by radical reactionaries.

I think that's taken out of proportion. Being firebombed for a last name, despite total integration, sounds a bit extreme.

[Warda]

I never said they weren't helping the Germans

Of course, you just said that they were helping the Allies and neglected that they were also hurting the Allies.

I said they helped more than the Soviets did until the Nazis invaded Russia.

And what the fuck is the relevance of that?

Considering that we started on this tangent because you acted like Canada (or the UK or France or the Allies who were in it before your country got off its collective ass) didn't matter, do you think the USSR is relevant here?

IBM also supplied the computers that basically allowed the German to carry out the whole holocaust thing.

[Lerodan Chinamerica]

Don't know if you'd even call it that. It was treading at a snail's pace, until the '37 double-dip brought it back down. FDR knew literally nothing about economics until he set up his Brain Trust, and even then he kept continually fucking over the American people with genuinely shitty programs like the NRA, the WPA and the AAA that simply exacerbated the Depression.

Funny you should mention that. The '37 recession was caused by a repeal of most of the new programs in an attempt to balance the budget.

Could you give me specifics, and perhaps a source? But you're probably right, since the Roosevelt economy had been weaned on useless programs like the WPA, absolutely massive taxes, federal relief and the Let's Find Every Dog a Hat Program, which employed over 3 million Americans, to Roosevelt's credit.

[Mkuki]

Depending on how "Eastern", as in Soviet Bloc, your name is you'd probably be harassed. Maybe even firebombed by radical reactionaries.

I think that's taken out of proportion. Being firebombed for a last name, despite total integration, sounds a bit extreme.

That's why I said radical reactionaries. Most Americans aren't radical reactionaries, but, yeah, I was exaggerating some.

The 1950s was an extreme time.