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Posted: **Sun Sep 22, 2013 8:31 am**

Blakk Metal wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:California only votes Democrat and Californian.

If you actually knew shit about California you'd realize that California isn't very leftist at all.

Actually living in california over here, and I'm assuming you do as well by your post. The problem we have here is all the bloody lefties in the big cities are preventing a majority of the state which are righties from exerting any power in the state government because lower population centers have almost no say whatsoever in the government here.

Posted: **Sun Sep 22, 2013 8:33 am**

Personal Defense Force wrote:
Blakk Metal wrote:If you actually knew shit about California you'd realize that California isn't very leftist at all.

Actually living in california over here, and I'm assuming you do as well by your post. The problem we have here is all the bloody lefties in the big cities are preventing a majority of the state which are righties from exerting any power in the state government because lower population centers have almost no say whatsoever in the government here.

Which is only right for democracy.

Posted: **Sun Sep 22, 2013 8:36 am**

Inb4 "From my cold dead hands"

Posted: **Sun Sep 22, 2013 8:45 am**

Personal Defense Force wrote:
Blakk Metal wrote:If you actually knew shit about California you'd realize that California isn't very leftist at all.

Actually living in california over here, and I'm assuming you do as well by your post. The problem we have here is all the bloody lefties in the big cities are preventing a majority of the state which are righties from exerting any power in the state government because lower population centers have almost no say whatsoever in the government here.

Hell, most of the big cities aren't that leftist. Only the core Bay Area is (the West Bay, the coastal East Bay).

Posted: **Sun Sep 22, 2013 8:51 am**

Thanatttynia wrote:
Personal Defense Force wrote:
Actually living in california over here, and I'm assuming you do as well by your post. The problem we have here is all the bloody lefties in the big cities are preventing a majority of the state which are righties from exerting any power in the state government because lower population centers have almost no say whatsoever in the government here.

Which is only right for democracy.

Good thing we aren't a democracy eh? The problem with that argument is that the lower population centers have the same population as the larger population centers just not the density, so we have half of the state not being respresented in any of the states politics at all because were in areas that don't have the population density of San Fran and Los ang.

Posted: **Sun Sep 22, 2013 8:53 am**

Blakk Metal wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:California only votes Democrat and Californian.

If you actually knew shit about California you'd realize that California isn't very leftist at all.

In national elections for the last few decades, they've only voted Democrat and Californian.

Posted: **Sun Sep 22, 2013 8:57 am**

Personal Defense Force wrote:Good thing we aren't a democracy eh? .

Representative democracy is still a democracy

Personal Defense Force wrote:The problem with that argument is that the lower population centers have the same population as the larger population centers just not the density, so we have half of the state not being respresented in any of the states politics at all because were in areas that don't have the population density of San Fran and Los ang.

You can't try to change system&Voting districts? :0

Posted: **Sun Sep 22, 2013 9:01 am**

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Blakk Metal wrote:If you actually knew shit about California you'd realize that California isn't very leftist at all.

In national elections for the last few decades, they've only voted Democrat and Californian.

That's because Republicans are racist cunts, not because they're hippies (without any of the things that made the hippies respectable, I might add).

Posted: **Sun Sep 22, 2013 9:11 am**

Chernoslavia wrote:
Franklin Delano Bluth wrote:
No, though I could see how you might think it would if you settled for superficial thinking rather than critical analysis of how things interact in reality. Weapons possession is an infringement upon individual liberty, because it provides a means by which others can be intimidated and coerced into behaving how the weapons possessor wants them to behave.

This is wrong in every single way. Please do tell me then why Castro disarmed the Cuban people in 1959? Because surely it wasn't to protect other people's freedom which he zoom restriced afterwards.

why did hitler make guns significantly easier to get? because surely it wasn't to protect other people's freedom.

but hey, why bother analyzing the issue when we can yell ridiculous nonsense, right?

Posted: **Sun Sep 22, 2013 9:19 am**

Immoren wrote:
Personal Defense Force wrote:Good thing we aren't a democracy eh? .

Representative democracy is still a democracy

Personal Defense Force wrote:The problem with that argument is that the lower population centers have the same population as the larger population centers just not the density, so we have half of the state not being represented in any of the states politics at all because were in areas that don't have the population density of San Fran and Los ang.

You can't try to change system&Voting districts? :0

Technically yes, but if anything on a political ladder democracy and republicanism are side by side on the tree and not a branch of one another. Democracies rarely succeed in populations greater then a few hundred people while republics have succeeded (Nowadays) in the Billions. Politics are a messy business and classifying exactly what system we here in the US have is a problem in itself.

Changing the districts requires for the larger population centers to give up power by increasing the size of the smaller districts to give them equal say as the bigger ones, and being that lefties are pretty notorious for never giving up any power even if its in the name of freedom I doubt thats going to happen. The reason why I know this is because the smaller counties tried to do this a few years ago, combining the smaller districts into larger districts so that they could better combat the areas of higher population density when it came to issues that involved them, and guess what happened.

San Francisco and Sacramento both shot it down, being that here in california its an "All together" policy of where the entire state has to agree to the restructure before it can happen.

So for now us smaller districts have to hope that the legislation for us breaking off into a new state is passed next month, which is doubtful since we represent a good amount of tax profits for the democratic policies which are money hogs.

Free Soviets wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
This is wrong in every single way. Please do tell me then why Castro disarmed the Cuban people in 1959? Because surely it wasn't to protect other people's freedom which he zoom restriced afterwards.

why did hitler make guns significantly easier to get? because surely it wasn't to protect other people's freedom.

but hey, why bother analyzing the issue when we can yell ridiculous nonsense, right?

Hitler took guns away from the people though...He made it so you had to join the military in order to even handle one as he didn't want the people having the capability of revolting against him incase things went south.

Posted: **Sun Sep 22, 2013 9:19 am**

Personal Defense Force wrote:The problem we have here is all the bloody lefties in the big cities are preventing a majority of the state which are righties from exerting any power in the state government because lower population centers have almost no say whatsoever in the government here.

2012 CA assembly general election results:

democratic party
6,835,701 votes - 58.46%

republican party
4,765,952 votes - 40.76%

damn those leftists, oppressing the majority by getting literally two million more votes. how dare they!

Posted: **Sun Sep 22, 2013 9:20 am**

Personal Defense Force wrote:
Free Soviets wrote:why did hitler make guns significantly easier to get? because surely it wasn't to protect other people's freedom.

but hey, why bother analyzing the issue when we can yell ridiculous nonsense, right?

Hitler took guns away from the people though...He made it so you had to join the military in order to even handle one as he didn't want the people having the capability of revolting against him incase things went south.

nope.

Posted: **Sun Sep 22, 2013 9:20 am**

Personal Defense Force wrote:
Immoren wrote:Representative democracy is still a democracy

You can't try to change system&Voting districts? :0

Technically yes, but if anything on a political ladder democracy and republicanism are side by side on the tree and not a branch of one another. Democracies rarely succeed in populations greater then a few hundred people while republics have succeeded (Nowadays) in the Billions.

You say that like they're mutually exclusive.

A republic is basically anything that's not a monarchy. The US is a democracy, and a republic. Period.

San Francisco and Sacramento both shot it down, being that here in california its an "All together" policy of where the entire state has to agree to the restructure before it can happen.

That's kind of how units of government work, yes.

So for now us smaller districts have to hope that the legislation for us breaking off into a new state is passed next month, which is doubtful since we represent a good amount of tax profits for the democratic policies which are money hogs.

It's like not having the slightest clue what you're talking about is a badge of pride for you.

Posted: **Sun Sep 22, 2013 9:23 am**

Damn liberals.......

Posted: **Sun Sep 22, 2013 9:27 am**

An assault weapon?

Posted: **Sun Sep 22, 2013 9:29 am**

Free Soviets wrote:
Personal Defense Force wrote:Hitler took guns away from the people though...He made it so you had to join the military in order to even handle one as he didn't want the people having the capability of revolting against him incase things went south.

nope.

I learned something new today, thank you for that actually I apologize for spouting wrong information, I'll keep that in mind for later accounts.

2012 CA assembly general election results:

democratic party
6,835,701 votes - 58.46%

republican party
4,765,952 votes - 40.76%

damn those leftists, oppressing the majority by getting literally two million more votes. how dare they!

Ah yes, because all democrats are lefties, I forgot about that.

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And I could spout of the definitions of the politics behind democracies and republics and why they should be regarded as separate forms of government but thats a matter of opinion on my part and I doubt any of you will change your mind even if I push my point.

Oh, and to the last comment, people do like representation in this country and not having it does tend to upset people quite a bit. Being that your comment was a bit, erm...a comment, I'll assume you haven't heard about the issues happening in the state legislation here right now.

Posted: **Sun Sep 22, 2013 9:29 am**

Cylarn wrote:(Image)

An assault weapon?

Apparently my good sir.

Posted: **Sun Sep 22, 2013 9:31 am**

Personal Defense Force wrote:And I could spout of the definitions of the politics behind democracies and republics and why they should be regarded as separate forms of government but thats a matter of opinion on my part

And your opinion would be objectively wrong, because it is at odds with reality.

Oh, and to the last comment, people do like representation in this country and not having it does tend to upset people quite a bit.

Good thing no one's unrepresented, then.

Posted: **Sun Sep 22, 2013 9:32 am**

Free Soviets wrote:
Personal Defense Force wrote:Hitler took guns away from the people though...He made it so you had to join the military in order to even handle one as he didn't want the people having the capability of revolting against him incase things went south.

nope.

What you have just posted simply confirms that Hitler disarmed the people he wished to oppress (namely the Jews). The only difference is he didn't bother disarming everyone else.

So there we have it: Want to take away people's freedoms? Want to oppress them? Want to label them as subhuman scum and send them off to concentration camps? Disarm them!

Posted: **Sun Sep 22, 2013 9:35 am**

Ah franklin, I would argue but I have the feeling you consider this a pointless argument and you will just brush it off as "Nonsense" no matter what I say.

Posted: **Sun Sep 22, 2013 9:37 am**

Why the fuck should a civilian own a gun in the first place?

Posted: **Sun Sep 22, 2013 9:38 am**

Leningrad Union wrote:Why the fuck should a civilian own a gun in the first place?

Really? I thought we'd got past this stage in the argument by now. :palm:

- Self defence
- Defence of other civilians
- Defence of the country
- Hunting
- Sport e.g. target shooting
- Because the US constitution says so

Posted: **Sun Sep 22, 2013 9:38 am**

New Aerios wrote:
Free Soviets wrote:nope.

What you have just posted simply confirms that Hitler disarmed the people he wished to oppress (namely the Jews). The only difference is he didn't bother disarming everyone else.

So there we have it: Want to take away people's freedoms? Want to oppress them? Want to label them as subhuman scum and send them off to concentration camps? Disarm them!

Because the communists in Nazi Germany totally managed to fight back the regime, given that they were allowed to have guns, and totally didn't get busted and rounded up anyways.

Posted: **Sun Sep 22, 2013 9:39 am**

Leningrad Union wrote:Why the fuck should a civilian own a gun in the first place?

So that they can shoot well when crown calls them to service. *nods*

Posted: **Sun Sep 22, 2013 9:41 am**

Leningrad Union wrote:Why the fuck should a civilian own a gun in the first place?

To protect personal freedom maybe? Hunting maybe? Wonderful stress reliever to prevent people from going insane maybe (Target shooting, herp derp)? Simply the fact that here in America guns in the hands of civilians reduces crime as a whole in our country?

I could list off plenty of other reasons as well.

I should probably just repost my original post here in this thread every few pages to reiterate my point on why civilians (In the US atleast) should own guns if they wish.

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