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Postby Aurora Novus » Wed Sep 18, 2013 2:04 am

Gauthier wrote:
Aurora Novus wrote:Are there people seriously saying that allowing nudity in the household is abuse? Really

Nevermind the fact that we are all born nude, and that nudity is a natural part of our existence, the idea that nudity is psychologically scarring is bollocks. The only way it could ever be so is if you breed children to react that way to nudity. And I for one think we shouldn't be doing that to begin with.


If you want to be nude amongst family whatever, but for God's sake put on clothes around company.


Why? There's no real justification for it. Really there's no real justification for punshments of nudity in any society, public or private.

That it might offend your precious sensibilities means nothing.

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Postby Gauthier » Wed Sep 18, 2013 2:06 am

Aurora Novus wrote:
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If you want to be nude amongst family whatever, but for God's sake put on clothes around company.


Why? There's no real justification for it. Really there's no real justification for punshments of nudity in any society, public or private.

That it might offend your precious sensibilities means nothing.


Clearly public nudity laws are tyranny.
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Postby Aurora Novus » Wed Sep 18, 2013 2:06 am

Gauthier wrote:
Aurora Novus wrote:
Why? There's no real justification for it. Really there's no real justification for punshments of nudity in any society, public or private.

That it might offend your precious sensibilities means nothing.


Clearly public nudity laws are tyranny.


Well, yes, they are. Tyranny of a kind. In the sense that there is no true justification for them.
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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Wed Sep 18, 2013 2:08 am

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Aurora Novus wrote:Why? There's no real justification for it. Really there's no real justification for punshments of nudity in any society, public or private.

That it might offend your precious sensibilities means nothing.

Clearly public nudity laws are tyranny.

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Public nudity laws are stupid, especially in tropical climates and hot summers.
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Postby Veceria » Wed Sep 18, 2013 2:19 am

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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Wed Sep 18, 2013 2:21 am

Veceria wrote:I thought it already was?

If there's something every decent conservative Anglophone is a major at, it is moral panic.
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Postby Cameroi » Wed Sep 18, 2013 4:04 am

certainly it should be legal. scarring? bullshit. i grew up, my dad and i walking around buck naked half the time.

besides which, how would you ban nudity in the home, without being unreasonably invasive?

sounds more like an excuse to be tyrannically invasive to me.
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Postby Greed and Death » Wed Sep 18, 2013 4:43 am

Modesty is something learned. I do not think nude households will cause any problems.
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Postby Destiny Island » Wed Sep 18, 2013 4:44 am

As long as it's only in privacy, and when there isn't company that is not also a nudist.
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Postby Aurora Novus » Wed Sep 18, 2013 5:04 am

Destiny Island wrote:As long as it's only in privacy, and when there isn't company that is not also a nudist.


Why? Why should someone have to cover up when you want to visit them? It's their house after all.

Further more, why should nudity be limited only to "privacy"? Where is the moral harm that should deny it public appearance?

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Postby Destiny Island » Wed Sep 18, 2013 5:06 am

Aurora Novus wrote:
Destiny Island wrote:As long as it's only in privacy, and when there isn't company that is not also a nudist.


Why? Why should someone have to cover up when you want to visit them? It's their house after all.

Further more, why should nudity be limited only to "privacy"? Where is the moral harm that should deny it public appearance?

Well I wouldn't care but other people might.
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Postby Aurora Novus » Wed Sep 18, 2013 5:07 am

Destiny Island wrote:
Aurora Novus wrote:
Why? Why should someone have to cover up when you want to visit them? It's their house after all.

Further more, why should nudity be limited only to "privacy"? Where is the moral harm that should deny it public appearance?

Well I wouldn't care but other people might.


And why should we give a toss about their concerns?

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Postby Destiny Island » Wed Sep 18, 2013 5:08 am

Aurora Novus wrote:
Destiny Island wrote:Well I wouldn't care but other people might.


And why should we give a toss about their concerns?

Good point. I say if you do it, you do it. I don't care.
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Postby Ayreonia » Wed Sep 18, 2013 5:19 am

I've been wondering... is there actually a study that shows children are harmed by seeing nude people?
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Wed Sep 18, 2013 5:23 am

Part of the point of nudist lifestyles is that it's actually nothing to do with the sexual contexts of the human form.
Which surely nullifies most of the "moralistic" objections some people would have to it.
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Postby Souseiseki » Wed Sep 18, 2013 5:26 am

i'm just imagining armed officers breaking down a door, shouting "YOU!!!!", and holding down a mother and her kids, forcibly attaching underwear to them before leaving. as the war on dicks gets progressively hotter, random underwear checks become common, and technologies are invented that disallow the removal of underwear except under specific circumstances for repeat offenders.

by which i mean eh fine
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Postby Ayreonia » Wed Sep 18, 2013 5:28 am

Souseiseki wrote:i'm just imagining armed officers breaking down a door, shouting "YOU!!!!", and holding down a mother and her kids, forcibly attaching underwear to them before leaving. as the war on dicks gets progressively hotter, random underwear checks become common, and technologies are invented that disallow the removal of underwear except under specific circumstances for repeat offenders.

by which i mean eh fine

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Postby Magna Libero » Wed Sep 18, 2013 5:40 am

1. Yes, for the same reason to why people go to shower without clothes.

2. Who cares? People are naturally nude. In lets say Ancient Greece nudity was more common than now, without mentioning the people who have lived in tropical and hot climates. Clothes are just an invention. Why should humans by law prevent our ancient and natural habits?

3. I don't think it's traumatizing for the children, maybe more like a small disgust, except maybe if the parents of the kids have some kind of visually traumatizing STDs...
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Postby Dyakovo » Wed Sep 18, 2013 5:41 am

The Parkus Empire wrote:Inspired by posters saying nudity would psychologically scar members of their family: Should it be legal for parent(s) to raise their kids in a clothing free lifestyle at home? Or should it be seen as abuse?

In my opinion, it's not abuse, and I see no reason to consider it such with valid studies demonstrating it as harmful.

It strikes me as a bit odd, but I don't see it as being inherently harmful.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Wed Sep 18, 2013 5:41 am

Magna Libero wrote:1. Yes, for the same reason to why people go to shower without clothes.

2. Who cares? People are naturally nude. In lets say Ancient Greece nudity was more common than now, without mentioning the people who have lived in tropical and hot climates. Clothes are just an invention. Why should humans by law prevent our ancient and natural habits?

3. I don't think it's traumatizing for the children, maybe more like a small disgust, except maybe if the parents of the kids have some kind of visually traumatizing STDs...

Well, yes, but clothes are far older than the Greeks.
The Greeks did a lot in the nuddy, but they weren't nudists.
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Postby Magna Libero » Wed Sep 18, 2013 5:45 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Magna Libero wrote:1. Yes, for the same reason to why people go to shower without clothes.

2. Who cares? People are naturally nude. In lets say Ancient Greece nudity was more common than now, without mentioning the people who have lived in tropical and hot climates. Clothes are just an invention. Why should humans by law prevent our ancient and natural habits?

3. I don't think it's traumatizing for the children, maybe more like a small disgust, except maybe if the parents of the kids have some kind of visually traumatizing STDs...

Well, yes, but clothes are far older than the Greeks.
The Greeks did a lot in the nuddy, but they weren't nudists.

Oh, I think I misread the OP. It was about permanent nudity, not temporary. :p
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Postby Lenninists » Wed Sep 18, 2013 5:48 am

It seems fine and should be up to the parents discretion. However i will say that the child could be confused by other people and their families and may have issues fitting in, but that is just projection, i am not a child psychologist and should shut up now.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Wed Sep 18, 2013 5:52 am

Just as long as the weather is warm enough, there should be no problem. But then again, different people have different perceptions of cold
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Postby Tekania » Wed Sep 18, 2013 6:05 am

Ifreann wrote:Clearly nudity should never be legal. God gave us pants for a reason.


Indeed, if we were meant to be nude we would have been born that way.
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Postby Madenia » Wed Sep 18, 2013 6:47 am

I say allow people to be nude in their own house as long as there is no problems with abuse.

I was never uncomfortable being naked. It made some other people in my family uncomfortable though and my parents lectured me to show modesty.

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