Shooting at Washington Navy Yard

[Agritum]

Well, this sucks. I guess now we have to spend the next few months listening to politicians debate how they're going to deprive us of liberty for our own protection. Goodbye Bill of Rights, you shall be missed.

That seems a bit of an overreaction.

I'm still waiting for the martial law enactment that Alex Jones promised after the Boston Bombings.

[Al-Ahkri]

Well, this sucks. I guess now we have to spend the next few months listening to politicians debate how they're going to deprive us of liberty for our own protection. Goodbye Bill of Rights, you shall be missed.

That seems a bit of an overreaction.

Not really
#thepatriotact

[Britanno]

Well, this sucks. I guess now we have to spend the next few months listening to politicians debate how they're going to deprive us of liberty for our own protection. Goodbye Bill of Rights, you shall be missed.

That seems a bit of an overreaction.

He probably suffers from I'm_an_American_and_I_Need_Guns Disease.

[Farnhamia]

That seems a bit of an overreaction.

I'm still waiting for the martial law enactment that Alex Jones promised after the Boston Bombings.

I was really looking forward to using that to telecommute forever. Thanks, Obama!

[Chernoslavia]

Yeah it certainly isn't our tax dollars.

When you pay taxes, the money ceases to be yours.

I never said it's still mine, but the money still belongs to We the people. We pay taxes to benefit society, to fund our military to pay soldiers, and buy equipment needed to protect We the people, not to fool around and play grab-ass. The military and all of it's branches do not mess around with our tax dollars. According to a vet, your not allowed to fool around with equipment, you are not allowed to eat MREs when you already ate. You are not allowed to waist resources for your amusement.

[Gauthier]

Clearly the Washington Navy Yard needs to have armed security guards posted and start having workers train to use firearms.

[Ifreann]

No it doesn't.

Why else target the Washington Naval Yard. It's not exactly a soft target like a school. Usually spree shooters without motive target places like schools or movie theaters.

Countless reasons.

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Find me anyone of consequence claiming that DC's laws would prevent all gun violence.

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The Navy.

No, they belong to the Navy.


You get that the Washington Navy Yard is basically the Pentagon of the Navy, yeah? Besides which, I seem to recall that sailors aren't even routinely armed when at sea, why would they be armed in an admin building?

If who were armed? The civilians working there?

1. They are in the possession of the Navy, they belong to We the people.

They belong to the Navy.

Who is the Navy? We the people.

No, they're part of the US Armed Forces.

Its our money thats being used to buy them.

No, it's not. It's the Navy's money.

They might sell them back into the civilian market as surplus but it doesnt mean that the navy has owned them.

It's the buying them that means the Navy owns them.

Does this mean a tax payer can just go in there and take an M16 from the armory like he owns the gun? No.

Because the Navy owns them.

The military doesn't mess around with tax dollars.

You get that the government gets money from sources other than taxation, right? So even if we accept that you retain ownership of money paid in taxes, you can't identify what is bought with tax money.

That is our money being used to supply them.

Not really, no.

So no, the Navy themselves don't pay for them.

Yes, they do.

2. Why? Because a group of guys went in and started shooting people that's why.

So, the Navy should administrate the distribution of guns and ammo to everyone in the Naval Yard on a daily basis because of this event, according to you. Yeah, never gonna happen.

3. Mainly I was talking about arming the Navy personnel,

While they do administrative work. Yeah, sure, you betcha, the Navy will spend time

but yeah I guess the civilians should too if they want. Last time I checked they weren't taking the bad guys out until people were getting killed.

When else would they be "taking the bad guys out"?

[Asasia]

13 Confirmed Dead? Jesus. This is messed up.

[Chernoslavia]

That seems a bit of an overreaction.

He probably suffers from I'm_an_American_and_I_Need_Guns Disease.

Having the human right to own something to defend yourself against tyranny isn't a disease, atleast not compared to what other countries have.

[Wisconsin9]

When you pay taxes, the money ceases to be yours.

I never said it's still mine, but the money still belongs to We the people. We pay taxes to benefit society, to fund our military to pay soldiers, and buy equipment needed to protect We the people, not to fool around and play grab-ass. The military and all of it's branches do not mess around with our tax dollars. According to a vet, your not allowed to fool around with equipment, you are not allowed to eat MREs when you already ate. You are not allowed to waist resources for your amusement.

If by "We the people" you mean the government, then you are technically correct. Sort of. I think.

[Independent Republic of Not My Problem]

That seems a bit of an overreaction.

He probably suffers from I'm_an_American_and_I_Need_Guns Disease.

I contracted "I need guns disease" after I was robbed at gun point. Must be nice to live in a world where the hardest thing is a pillow.

[Ainin]

Gibbs fail.

Well, this was essentially what I first thought when I saw this.

[Edlichbury]

He probably suffers from I'm_an_American_and_I_Need_Guns Disease.

Having the human right to own something to defend yourself against tyranny isn't a disease, atleast not compared to what other countries have.

Reduced crime rates, better standards of living, and more rights overall? I'll take that trade any day.

[Gauthier]

He probably suffers from I'm_an_American_and_I_Need_Guns Disease.

I contracted "I need guns disease" after I was robbed at gun point. Must be nice to live in a world where the hardest thing is a pillow.

Must be comforting to know you have to have a handgun just to be able to walk out of your own room.

[Ifreann]

Why am I not surprised?

Prophetic abilities?

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People are surprised a shooting happened?

Did you know it was going to happen? Why didn't you warn anyone?

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That seems a bit of an overreaction.

I'm still waiting for the martial law enactment that Alex Jones promised after the Boston Bombings.

Any minute now.

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Clearly the Washington Navy Yard needs to have armed security guards posted

I imagine it already does.

and start having workers train to use firearms.

Doubt it'd be worth it.

[Middleton St George]

So when that NRA dude says that a good guy with a gun will deter a bad guy with a gun - are we going to show him the size of naval weaponry?

[Agritum]

Having the human right to own something to defend yourself against tyranny isn't a disease, atleast not compared to what other countries have.

Reduced crime rates, better standards of living, and more rights overall? I'll take that trade any day.

Tyranny. You Americans go a lot against tyranny, but you had, like, only one revolution?

The French, who instead just prefer to spend their days eating stinky cheese and frog legs had a whopping amount of four revolutions and are now in the fifth iteration of their republic.

All smoke and no beef?

[Chernoslavia]

Why else target the Washington Naval Yard. It's not exactly a soft target like a school. Usually spree shooters without motive target places like schools or movie theaters.

Countless reasons.

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1. They are in the possession of the Navy, they belong to We the people.

They belong to the Navy.

Who is the Navy? We the people.

No, they're part of the US Armed Forces.

Its our money thats being used to buy them.

No, it's not. It's the Navy's money.

They might sell them back into the civilian market as surplus but it doesnt mean that the navy has owned them.

It's the buying them that means the Navy owns them.

Does this mean a tax payer can just go in there and take an M16 from the armory like he owns the gun? No.

Because the Navy owns them.

The military doesn't mess around with tax dollars.

You get that the government gets money from sources other than taxation, right? So even if we accept that you retain ownership of money paid in taxes, you can't identify what is bought with tax money.

That is our money being used to supply them.

Not really, no.

So no, the Navy themselves don't pay for them.

Yes, they do.

2. Why? Because a group of guys went in and started shooting people that's why.

So, the Navy should administrate the distribution of guns and ammo to everyone in the Naval Yard on a daily basis because of this event, according to you. Yeah, never gonna happen.

3. Mainly I was talking about arming the Navy personnel,

While they do administrative work. Yeah, sure, you betcha, the Navy will spend time

but yeah I guess the civilians should too if they want. Last time I checked they weren't taking the bad guys out until people were getting killed.

When else would they be "taking the bad guys out"?

1. Maybe when they start printing their own money which they dont.

2. Thats not what im saying. I'm saying we should have Navy personnel armed and allow civilian workers to bring their own firearms with them. But you seem to be okay with leaving them vulnerable.

3. After they get their weapons from the armory. Have they had their rifles slung on their back they would've had a faster reaction time.

[Newzie]

The French, who instead just prefer to spend their days eating stinky cheese and frog legs

How did I know this would be an Italian speaking

[Chernoslavia]

Having the human right to own something to defend yourself against tyranny isn't a disease, atleast not compared to what other countries have.

Reduced crime rates, better standards of living, and more rights overall? I'll take that trade any day.

Which we also have. You don't get either of those in China or North Korea.

[Agritum]

The French, who instead just prefer to spend their days eating stinky cheese and frog legs

How did I know this would be an Italian speaking

Ah, I actually like dem Frenchies. I just throw friendly jabs at them.

[Chernoslavia]

So when that NRA dude says that a good guy with a gun will deter a bad guy with a gun - are we going to show him the size of naval weaponry?

Like an M16? Yeah.

[Edlichbury]

Reduced crime rates, better standards of living, and more rights overall? I'll take that trade any day.

Tyranny. You Americans go a lot against tyranny, but you had, like, only one revolution?

The French, who instead just prefer to spend their days eating stinky cheese and frog legs had a whopping amount of four revolutions and are now in the fifth iteration of their republic.

All smoke and no beef?

I'd just like to point out that the Arab Spring, a giant political uprising the resulted in regime changes in two countries and a current civil war in a third, was started by citizens living in a country with very strict regulations against gun use.

The idea that guns are the only bulwark against tyranny should be thoroughly dead by now.

[Chernoslavia]

Doubt it'd be worth it.

Care to explain?

[Edlichbury]

Reduced crime rates, better standards of living, and more rights overall? I'll take that trade any day.

Which we also have. You don't get either of those in China or North Korea.

You do in all of Scandinavia.