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Postby Edlichbury » Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:42 pm

The United Communist Solar Republic wrote:
Edlichbury wrote:You do in all of Scandinavia.


From Gunpolicy.org:


Regulation of Semiautomatic Assault Weapons
In Sweden, private possession of semi-automatic assault weapons is permitted only with special authorisation

Regulation of Handguns
In Sweden, private possession of handguns (pistols and revolvers) is permitted under licence, in some cases, but not for the protection of person or property


Regulation of Automatic Assault Weapons
In Norway, private possession of fully automatic weapons is permitted under licence

Regulation of Semiautomatic Assault Weapons
In Norway, private possession of semi-automatic assault weapons is permitted under licence

Regulation of Handguns
In Norway, private possession of handguns (pistols and revolvers) is permitted under licence



Regulation of Automatic Assault Weapons
In Finland, private possession of fully automatic weapons is prohibited, with few exceptions

Regulation of Semiautomatic Assault Weapons
In Finland, private possession of semi-automatic assault weapons is permitted under licence in some cases

Regulation of Handguns
In Finland, private possession of handguns (pistols and revolvers) is permitted under licence in some cases



While it is fairly restricted, there is still quite a bit of leeway.

Compared to the US, it is pretty stringent. And unlike the US, it actually worked.

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Postby Greed and Death » Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:43 pm

Edlichbury wrote:
The United Communist Solar Republic wrote:
From Gunpolicy.org:


Regulation of Semiautomatic Assault Weapons
In Sweden, private possession of semi-automatic assault weapons is permitted only with special authorisation

Regulation of Handguns
In Sweden, private possession of handguns (pistols and revolvers) is permitted under licence, in some cases, but not for the protection of person or property


Regulation of Automatic Assault Weapons
In Norway, private possession of fully automatic weapons is permitted under licence

Regulation of Semiautomatic Assault Weapons
In Norway, private possession of semi-automatic assault weapons is permitted under licence

Regulation of Handguns
In Norway, private possession of handguns (pistols and revolvers) is permitted under licence



Regulation of Automatic Assault Weapons
In Finland, private possession of fully automatic weapons is prohibited, with few exceptions

Regulation of Semiautomatic Assault Weapons
In Finland, private possession of semi-automatic assault weapons is permitted under licence in some cases

Regulation of Handguns
In Finland, private possession of handguns (pistols and revolvers) is permitted under licence in some cases



While it is fairly restricted, there is still quite a bit of leeway.

Compared to the US, it is pretty stringent. And unlike the US, it actually worked.

Compared to Norway automatics in the US are more tightly controlled. You can own them only with a license and the government has not issued new licenses since 1986.
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Independent Republic of Not My Problem
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Postby Independent Republic of Not My Problem » Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:44 pm

greed and death wrote:
Independent Republic of Not My Problem wrote:
The brass doesn't trust enlisted personnel.

If your not an MP or a general with a fondness for wearing his pistol everywhere you do not have access to your weapons except when your using it for training.


I've never seen a general wearing a sidearm, ever.

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Postby Schweizweld » Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:45 pm

I think Japan has the most strict gun laws in the world, handguns are totally banned for civilians and a licence and safety course is required for rifles, they have a very low violent crime rate.

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Postby Chernoslavia » Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:46 pm

Schweizweld wrote:Will the NRA and republicans learn from this? I doubt it, they are hopeless.


Texas:

Pro-gun
Red state

699 homicides commited with firearms.


California:

Anti-gun
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1,220 homicides commited with firearms.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Wisconsin9 » Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:46 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Schweizweld wrote:Will the NRA and republicans learn from this? I doubt it, they are hopeless.


Texas:

Pro-gun
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699 homicides commited with firearms.


California:

Anti-gun
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1,220 homicides commited with firearms.

You're making a lot of claims and not providing any links.
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Postby Yes Im Biop » Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:47 pm

Schweizweld wrote:I think Japan has the most strict gun laws in the world, handguns are totally banned for civilians and a licence and safety course is required for rifles, they have a very low violent crime rate.


Japan is also not a country of 300 million+ people with widely different laws and people every 400 or so miles in any dirrection
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Postby Chernoslavia » Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:47 pm

Schweizweld wrote:I think Japan has the most strict gun laws in the world, handguns are totally banned for civilians and a licence and safety course is required for rifles, they have a very low violent crime rate.


But they have an Authoritarian government. Japanese culture is based on obedience and citizen disarmament.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Schweizweld » Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:48 pm

Gun laws are only one factor related to violence. Things like poverty and mental illness are also causes. Demographics are an overlooked factor as well, states with a high number of unemployed, lower class young men will have much higher rates of violent crime.

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Postby Chernoslavia » Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:49 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
Texas:

Pro-gun
Red state

699 homicides commited with firearms.


California:

Anti-gun
Blue state

1,220 homicides commited with firearms.

You're making a lot of claims and not providing any links.


http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/cr ... s/table-20
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

- Alexander Solzhenitsyn

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Postby The blood ravens » Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:49 pm

greed and death wrote:
Edlichbury wrote:Compared to the US, it is pretty stringent. And unlike the US, it actually worked.

Compared to Norway automatics in the US are more tightly controlled. You can own them only with a license and the government has not issued new licenses since 1986.

I'm pretty they still issue licenses but you can only buy automatic firearms that were registered before 1986, provided you jump through all the hoops to purchase them, and find someone to sell one to you.

I may be wrong though.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:49 pm

Schweizweld wrote:Gun laws are only one factor related to violence.
Wrong.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Wisconsin9 » Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:51 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:You're making a lot of claims and not providing any links.


http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/cr ... s/table-20

Fun fact: places with a larger population tend to have a higher crime rate.
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Postby Greed and Death » Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:51 pm

Independent Republic of Not My Problem wrote:
greed and death wrote:If your not an MP or a general with a fondness for wearing his pistol everywhere you do not have access to your weapons except when your using it for training.


I've never seen a general wearing a sidearm, ever.

I once saw a Cavalry General wearing cow boy boots, a Civil war era Calvary hat and two ivory handled revolvers.

And yes he thought he was Patton.
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Postby Schweizweld » Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:51 pm

Another problem with the U.S. is their culture of selfishness and lack of respect for other people and authority. I saw an interview with a Swiss lawmaker and he said they don't have the typical American attitude that you can shoot someone if they "look at you funny."

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Postby Greed and Death » Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:52 pm

Schweizweld wrote:Another problem with the U.S. is their culture of selfishness and lack of respect for other people and authority. I saw an interview with a Swiss lawmaker and he said they don't have the typical American attitude that you can shoot someone if they "look at you funny."

That is not an American attitude.
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:52 pm

Schweizweld wrote:Another problem with the U.S. is their culture of selfishness and lack of respect for other people and authority. I saw an interview with a Swiss lawmaker and he said they don't have the typical American attitude that you can shoot someone if they "look at you funny."

Which is something that usually doesn't happen.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:52 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:

Fun fact: places with a larger population tend to have a higher crime rate.


Correct, which is why no matter if a state has more gun control or less gun control, crime still remains the same.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Yes Im Biop » Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:52 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:

Fun fact: places with a larger population tend to have a higher crime rate.


Yes, Not sure why people compare the U.S. to Japan then if that's the case.
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:53 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:Fun fact: places with a larger population tend to have a higher crime rate.


Correct, which is why no matter if a state has more gun control or less gun control, crime still remains the same.

Then I guess there's no point keeping all these silly laws on the books. Repeal everything! No way that could go wrong!
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Postby Free Soviets » Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:55 pm

greed and death wrote:
Edlichbury wrote:Compared to the US, it is pretty stringent. And unlike the US, it actually worked.

Compared to Norway automatics in the US are more tightly controlled. You can own them only with a license and the government has not issued new licenses since 1986.

according to both the law library of congress and wikipedia, both automatics and semi-autos that can be easily converted are outright banned in norway.

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Postby Edlichbury » Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:55 pm

Yes Im Biop wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:Fun fact: places with a larger population tend to have a higher crime rate.


Yes, Not sure why people compare the U.S. to Japan then if that's the case.

Per capita rates are still useful. Japan has extremely low gun violence per capita.

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Postby Yes Im Biop » Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:55 pm

Schweizweld wrote:Another problem with the U.S. is their culture of selfishness and lack of respect for other people and authority. I saw an interview with a Swiss lawmaker and he said they don't have the typical American attitude that you can shoot someone if they "look at you funny."


The fuck? Can I have some of whatever that lawmaker is smoking?


As for being selfish and lack of respect? IT's because we believe no one is born respected, IE if they are asshate don't expect respect.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:55 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
Correct, which is why no matter if a state has more gun control or less gun control, crime still remains the same.

Then I guess there's no point keeping all these silly laws on the books. Repeal everything! No way that could go wrong!


Actually that's a good thing. But let's keep the background checks.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

- Alexander Solzhenitsyn

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Postby Chernoslavia » Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:56 pm

Free Soviets wrote:
greed and death wrote:Compared to Norway automatics in the US are more tightly controlled. You can own them only with a license and the government has not issued new licenses since 1986.

according to both the law library of congress and wikipedia, both automatics and semi-autos that can be easily converted are outright banned in norway.


Source?
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

- Alexander Solzhenitsyn

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