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Postby The Blaatschapen » Sat Sep 21, 2013 5:35 am

Ailiailia wrote:
Transnapastain wrote:I also assume male unless I know otherwise, for all I know, I'm wrong.


I don't assume male. It's a crappy thing to do, particularly in an environment where by their own declaration most people are male.

It's crappy, because it requires anyone who objects to explicitly state their sex/gender. People should be free to do that, but they shouldn't be required to do it, to correct someone else's assumptions. It's better the assumption isn't made in the first place!


That's why I imagine all of you without balls until told otherwise.

I also try to use 'they' when I don't know the gender.
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Postby AiliailiA » Sat Sep 21, 2013 5:51 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Ailiailia wrote:
I don't assume male. It's a crappy thing to do, particularly in an environment where by their own declaration most people are male.

It's crappy, because it requires anyone who objects to explicitly state their sex/gender. People should be free to do that, but they shouldn't be required to do it, to correct someone else's assumptions. It's better the assumption isn't made in the first place!


That's why I imagine all of you without balls until told otherwise.


Don't spay me bro! :p

I also try to use 'they' when I don't know the gender.


I do too, but I find it awkward. "They" can be singular, but to be so it relies on context and with the long sentences I'm prone to use I know my meaning is less clear when I use a third person pronoun which isn't unambiguously singular.

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Postby Grenartia » Sat Sep 21, 2013 7:12 am

Ailiailia wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Insanity isn't necessarily a bad thing.


Yes, that's my point. Awards like Excellence in Debating may have slightly different meanings to different people without that being a problem, but a hugely ambiguous "award" isn't a good thing. If it's meant as a criticism by even some of the nominators, but is taken as reward (picking up the badge and wearing it with pride) then it's a perverse incentive to post in ways others especially don't respect.

I tend to be overly critical of anything which is posted in an OP though. Really I like this thread each time it comes around.


Ah. I see.

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The Blaatschapen wrote:
That's why I imagine all of you without balls until told otherwise.


Don't spay me bro! :p

I also try to use 'they' when I don't know the gender.


I do too, but I find it awkward. "They" can be singular, but to be so it relies on context and with the long sentences I'm prone to use I know my meaning is less clear when I use a third person pronoun which isn't unambiguously singular.

Can't fight language though. It's a tool not an agent.


Do you also have a problem with the word "you"? I fail to see any inherent awkwardness with "they" being used for both singular and plural when "you" does the exact same thing.
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Postby Risottia » Sat Sep 21, 2013 7:27 am

Grenartia wrote:Do you also have a problem with the word "you"? I fail to see any inherent awkwardness with "they" being used for both singular and plural when "you" does the exact same thing.


Actually, I consider the use of "you" as singular as a form of courtesy. The proper second-person, singular pronoun in English is "thou (thine, thee)".
And the correct second-person plural pronoun should be "ye (yours, you)".
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Sep 21, 2013 7:29 am

Risottia wrote:
Grenartia wrote:Do you also have a problem with the word "you"? I fail to see any inherent awkwardness with "they" being used for both singular and plural when "you" does the exact same thing.


Actually, I consider the use of "you" as singular as a form of courtesy. The proper second-person, singular pronoun in English is "thou (thine, thee)".
And the correct second-person plural pronoun should be "ye (yours, you)".

As if anyone speaks proper English any more.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Sat Sep 21, 2013 7:29 am

Ifreann wrote:
Risottia wrote:
Actually, I consider the use of "you" as singular as a form of courtesy. The proper second-person, singular pronoun in English is "thou (thine, thee)".
And the correct second-person plural pronoun should be "ye (yours, you)".

As if anyone speaks proper English any more.


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Postby Risottia » Sat Sep 21, 2013 7:32 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Ifreann wrote:As if anyone speaks proper English any more.


It has all gone downhill since those wretched Normans Angles thrashed the place back in 1066 MCDXIII AVC.


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Postby Grenartia » Sat Sep 21, 2013 7:41 am

Risottia wrote:
Grenartia wrote:Do you also have a problem with the word "you"? I fail to see any inherent awkwardness with "they" being used for both singular and plural when "you" does the exact same thing.


Actually, I consider the use of "you" as singular as a form of courtesy. The proper second-person, singular pronoun in English is "thou (thine, thee)".
And the correct second-person plural pronoun should be "ye (yours, you)".


Only if you're talking about archaic English. Present-day English has totally abandoned "
"thou/thine/thee" and "ye", save only for the KJV of the Bible (and even then, its so damn awkward to read that most people need it interpreted for them).
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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Sat Sep 21, 2013 7:42 am

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Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:IFREANN IS MALE?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!

Is it really that shocking?

Well, let me put how I see it by my place, you really sound intelligent, knowledgeable and mature, surely past age 23, but you have a grace, a joviality, a sweet sense of humour, we generally don't associate with older men.

Surely there is Frivs, but his slightly more acidic flavour of fun is different. He's more critic, you're often critic but at the same time so playful.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Sat Sep 21, 2013 7:47 am

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Is it really that shocking?

Well, let me put how I see it by my place, you really sound intelligent, knowledgeable and mature, surely past age 23, but you have a grace, a joviality, a sweet sense of humour, we generally don't associate with older men.

Surely there is Frivs, but his slightly more acidic flavour of fun is different. He's more critic, you're often critic but at the same time so playful.


Tihi, Ifreann is an old guy :rofl:
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Sep 21, 2013 7:50 am

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Is it really that shocking?

Well, let me put how I see it by my place, you really sound intelligent, knowledgeable and mature, surely past age 23, but you have a grace, a joviality, a sweet sense of humour, we generally don't associate with older men.

Surely there is Frivs, but his slightly more acidic flavour of fun is different. He's more critic, you're often critic but at the same time so playful.

...
Okay then.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Sat Sep 21, 2013 7:56 am

Ailiailia wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:Iffy's a dude, so don't worry about it.

Also, thanks everyone for the nominations. Heh. Didn't think you guys liked me that much. :blush:


You'd get some from me too, if I could nominate ten posters for Excellence in Debate.

That award will go to a poster who clearly win debates when they engage. It's the clearly-winning thing which gets the recognition. And maybe that's wrong, because there are dozens of posters who debate well on a range of subjects, debate even when their interlocutor is getting down in the gutter (or under the table), and steer a middle course between avoiding all conflict, and relishing conflict.

You just keep doing that, award or not. :)

Indeed, some like myself win clearly often enough to be respected to the point that nobody would debate with me on /pol/ anymore, but then the volume isn't particularly high enough to join the upper ranks as I tend to be a bit selective on what topics I will debate on. Others are good enough to hold their own, but never seem to clearly win debates. There are a handful who can do both win clearly and debate often enough to win such a title
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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Sat Sep 21, 2013 8:09 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:Tihi, Ifreann is an old guy :rofl:

You mean he's younger than me?!

I mean, he sounds older... and I'm almost 19...
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Sep 21, 2013 8:14 am

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:Tihi, Ifreann is an old guy :rofl:

You mean he's younger than me?!

I mean, he sounds older... and I'm almost 19...

I am older than you. I'm just not old.
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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Sat Sep 21, 2013 8:15 am

Ifreann wrote:I am older than you. I'm just not old.

24-years-old is not old.

Anyway, my point was why exactly you passed strongly as female to me.
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Postby Rocopurr » Sat Sep 21, 2013 8:16 am

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I am older than you. I'm just not old.

24-years-old is not old.

Isn't that what he just said...?
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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Sat Sep 21, 2013 8:18 am

Rocopurr wrote:
Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:24-years-old is not old.

Isn't that what he just said...?

Older men in the sense of not adolescents.
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Postby Rocopurr » Sat Sep 21, 2013 8:19 am

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:
Rocopurr wrote:Isn't that what he just said...?

Older men in the sense of not adolescents.

I know, he just said he isn't old but just older than you. Then you said that his age isn't old, which is what he just said.
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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Sat Sep 21, 2013 8:21 am

Rocopurr wrote:
Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:Older men in the sense of not adolescents.

I know, he just said he isn't old but just older than you. Then you said that his age isn't old, which is what he just said.

...It is a rude thing to call people old in my culture, even if they are 55 and you are 15.

So I clarified I don't think such pretty neighboring brand of us young people is considered old by my standards.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Sat Sep 21, 2013 8:26 am

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I am older than you. I'm just not old.

24-years-old is not old.

Anyway, my point was why exactly you passed strongly as female to me.



Now I'm wondering how I come across :rofl:
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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Sat Sep 21, 2013 8:28 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:24-years-old is not old.

Anyway, my point was why exactly you passed strongly as female to me.

Now I'm wondering how I come across :rofl:

Hmm, young (between my age and 25), but I have no idea whatsoever of your gender.
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Postby AiliailiA » Sat Sep 21, 2013 8:39 am

It's very much a sliding scale. When you're 10, a 15 year old is "old." When you're 20, a 30 y.o. is "old".

I'm 49* and I like that I'm still considered middle aged by some. I'm not offended some call me old, or young (that happens too) because "old" is a term relative to expectations, and on this subject I can forgive people having expectations. Age is an intractable and unique distinction between individuals. We're all subject to time, and time is an inscrutable quality of the universe.

*yes, the last time I claimed an age it was 48. I haven't had a birthday since ... I just got my age wrong when I said that.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Sat Sep 21, 2013 8:51 am

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Postby Czechanada » Sat Sep 21, 2013 8:57 am

No one dares nominate me, for my posting defies mortal comprehension.

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Postby Disserbia » Sat Sep 21, 2013 10:59 am

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:Now I'm wondering how I come across :rofl:

Hmm, young (between my age and 25), but I have no idea whatsoever of your gender.

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