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Postby Christian Union » Sun Sep 15, 2013 12:30 pm

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Micro-evolution can be observed in the immune system "evolving" to protect against a certain pathogen, or in a bacteria "evolving" to become resistant to a certain drug. Macro evolution has never been substantiated, ever. Aside from some fossils that may or may not be indicative of genuine links, provided they're authentic to begin with. Falsely equating micro and macro evolution under the same "supreme scientific fact" umbrella-argument does nothing to advance acceptance of your theory.


Yep Micro Evolution over extended periods of time does not produce macro evolution. As this analgoy so cleaerly demonstrates. :roll:
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If it does, we have no verifiable proof of it. As of yet, no species has yet to macro-evolve as a result of any combination of "micro" evolutionary trends. If they have, we have no documented proof. The only "proof" for macro-evolution, as I mentioned above, are some skeletons that purportedly demonstrate modern theory in action. How they demonstrate that is a mystery to anyone who does not firmly believe in evolutionary theory, as if it were a religion. At best they prove that there were other ape-like beings that once existed long ago, which is why evolution will always remain a theory, never to be proven as fact in the eyes of those who are at odds with the methodologies of the modern scientific community.

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Postby Utceforp » Sun Sep 15, 2013 12:30 pm

The Holy NeoSpanish Empire wrote:
Great Nepal wrote:But isn't Christian god supposed to be omniscient?
So surely, he saw an angle rebelling and creating tyranny but still chose to create him.


in the futore he may redeem

god is good an forgives everyone that want

God forgives everyone that builds elaborate temples in his name and worships him even though he killed 99.9 percent of the human race and caused all of the problems of the world in the first place.

At least the Mesopotamians actually acknowledged that their deities were jerks.
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Postby Napkiraly » Sun Sep 15, 2013 12:30 pm

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Nationalist State of Knox wrote:...

Be quiet.

I'm just saying, leave some for the rest of us, gosh! You took all the good storytelling for yourself!

Hey, the Chinese and Iranians got some good stuff.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sun Sep 15, 2013 12:30 pm

European Socialist Republic wrote:So... when are we going to teach kids that the earth is flat?

Supposedly, that was never really a majority opinion.
Ironically, it probably has its greatest acceptance today.
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Postby Cu Math » Sun Sep 15, 2013 12:31 pm

The Holy NeoSpanish Empire wrote:
Great Nepal wrote:But isn't Christian god supposed to be omniscient?
So surely, he saw an angle rebelling and creating tyranny but still chose to create him.


in the futore he may redeem

god is good an forgives everyone that want

I'm pretty sure even he won't forgive you for your atrocious spelling and grammar. That should be commandment 11: Thou shalt not post without learning how a language actually works.
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Postby Aeken » Sun Sep 15, 2013 12:31 pm

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Why?


Historically, as nations become more theocratic, the following happens:

Crusades, Inquisitions, murders, Jihads, genocides, more murders, suppression of free speech, denial of reason, more murders, racism, homophobia, more murders, assassinations (also known as murders), and various other nasty shit.

You also forgot rampant corruption and leaders with double standards. ;)

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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Sun Sep 15, 2013 12:31 pm

Lost heros wrote:
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:It wasn't.

The Babylonians told a story similar to Genesis, which the Hebrews then took and wrote down eventually. Happy?

Yes, although it was Genesis 1, not the entire Book of Genesis.

Forgive my pedantry, it's just that I believe it to be best we don't mischaracterise facts, only to have our own arguments used against us.
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Postby Opuntia » Sun Sep 15, 2013 12:31 pm

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Aequalitia wrote:If god want to be good for humans, then why he created evil? Why he create that apple tree?


Oh, I always love this point. The fact that he created evil and allows evil acts to occur even though he's omnipotent and omniscient, shows malevolence in the purest form.

Even doing concrete evil things is enough. Flood, genocides and forcing his own people march through a desert to name a few.
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Postby Tatooene » Sun Sep 15, 2013 12:31 pm

Dyakovo wrote:
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Evolution is not falsifiable or testable either.

Fail. Go retake highschool biology.

If you're so convinced that you can prove it, prove to me that nothing evolved into something. If you can do that, maybe I'll believe you. Otherwise, I'll stick with neither evolution or creationism being proven.
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Postby Divair » Sun Sep 15, 2013 12:31 pm

Christian Union wrote:If it does, we have no verifiable proof of it.

I want you to refute every single link. If you cannot, don't bother replying.
http://anthro.palomar.edu/evolve/evolve_3.htm
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/
http://www.txtwriter.com/backgrounders/ ... tents.html
http://bioweb.cs.earlham.edu/9-12/evolu ... /live.html
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... 0/lines_01
http://www.nature.com/nature/newspdf/evolutiongems.pdf
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... _tiktaalik
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... /devitt_01
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... history_23
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... history_16
http://www.allaboutcreation.org/evidenc ... lution.htm
http://www.nyu.edu/projects/fitch/cours ... dence.html
http://www.imls.uzh.ch/research/noll/pu ... 73_785.pdf
http://www.cell.com/developmental-cell/ ... 0703003253
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.gate.net/~rwms/hum_ape_chrom.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/07/scien ... .html?_r=1
http://jhered.oxfordjournals.org/content/91/3/221
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 1006000526
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/310/5746/287
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.evolutionpages.com/chromosome_2.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-WAHpC0Ah0
http://www.indiana.edu/~ensiweb/lessons/molb.ws.pdf
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v4 ... 331a0.html
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/ ... 050603.php
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/ ... 071801.php
http://www.scripps.edu/newsandviews/e_20060327/evo.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://scienceray.com/biology/zoology/a ... maritimus/
http://facstaff.gpc.edu/~pgore/geology/ ... vation.pdf
http://www.nmsr.org/nylon.htm
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc ... l#atavisms

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Postby Edlichbury » Sun Sep 15, 2013 12:31 pm

Pavlostani wrote:
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Plot holes. The bane of every writer.


Damn. God's writing ability falls right next to that of whoever wrote Twilight.

He took the actual plotline from someone else and changed around some names. His skills fell to Fifty Shades of Grey territory.

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Postby Genivaria » Sun Sep 15, 2013 12:31 pm

The Tundra wrote:
Divair wrote:Evolution has nothing to do with the origins of life. Did I not just go over this with you?

no, you just yelled at me for saying that evolution has the most scientific merit out of all the creation theories

Evolution isn't a 'creation theory'. It has nothing to do with how life or the universe began.
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Postby Kingdoms of Cal » Sun Sep 15, 2013 12:31 pm

From what I have read the Xian (Christ did say some rather good things that the fundies ignore)

Alot of you guys would be happy in a fundy Islamic state...if they changed Mohammed to Christ.

Now I know why the funny xians in the states like Saudi Arabia..you are the same people.
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Postby The Holy NeoSpanish Empire » Sun Sep 15, 2013 12:32 pm

Pavlostani wrote:
Aequalitia wrote:If god want to be good for humans, then why he created evil? Why he create that apple tree?


Oh, I always love this point. The fact that he created evil and allows evil acts to occur even though he's omnipotent and omniscient, shows malevolence in the purest form.


all the tentations are corrupted creations of god

the devil corrupted the creations of god and made us to stop him

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Postby Pandeeria » Sun Sep 15, 2013 12:32 pm

Opuntia wrote:
Pavlostani wrote:
Oh, I always love this point. The fact that he created evil and allows evil acts to occur even though he's omnipotent and omniscient, shows malevolence in the purest form.

Even doing concrete evil things is enough. Flood, genocides and forcing his own people march through a desert to name a few.


It's kind of interesting how much the bible promotes killing. :eyebrow:
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In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???

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Postby Divair » Sun Sep 15, 2013 12:32 pm

Tatooene wrote:prove to me that nothing evolved into something.

Not evolution. You're thinking of abiogenesis. Entirely different and entirely irrelevant.

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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Sun Sep 15, 2013 12:32 pm

Christian Union wrote:If it does, we have no verifiable proof of it. As of yet, no species has yet to macro-evolve as a result of any combination of "micro" evolutionary trends. If they have, we have no documented proof. The only "proof" for macro-evolution, as I mentioned above, are some skeletons that purportedly demonstrate modern theory in action. How they demonstrate that is a mystery to anyone who does not firmly believe in evolutionary theory, as if it were a religion. At best they prove that there were other ape-like beings that once existed long ago, which is why evolution will always remain a theory, never to be proven as fact in the eyes of those who are at odds with the methodologies of the modern scientific community.

To believe in microevolution and not macroevolution suggests that you possess at best a limited understanding of anything.
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Postby Genivaria » Sun Sep 15, 2013 12:33 pm

Tatooene wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:Fail. Go retake highschool biology.

If you're so convinced that you can prove it, prove to me that nothing evolved into something. If you can do that, maybe I'll believe you. Otherwise, I'll stick with neither evolution or creationism being proven.

You've just proven to us that you have no idea what evolution is.
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Postby Pandeeria » Sun Sep 15, 2013 12:33 pm

The Holy NeoSpanish Empire wrote:
Pavlostani wrote:
Oh, I always love this point. The fact that he created evil and allows evil acts to occur even though he's omnipotent and omniscient, shows malevolence in the purest form.


all the tentations are corrupted creations of god

the devil corrupted the creations of god and made us to stop him


Couldn't god "uncorrupt" the creations since he is omnipotent and then put an end to the devil?
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.

In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sun Sep 15, 2013 12:33 pm

Divair wrote:
Christian Union wrote:If it does, we have no verifiable proof of it.

I want you to refute every single link. If you cannot, don't bother replying.
http://anthro.palomar.edu/evolve/evolve_3.htm
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/
http://www.txtwriter.com/backgrounders/ ... tents.html
http://bioweb.cs.earlham.edu/9-12/evolu ... /live.html
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... 0/lines_01
http://www.nature.com/nature/newspdf/evolutiongems.pdf
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... _tiktaalik
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... /devitt_01
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... history_23
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... history_16
http://www.allaboutcreation.org/evidenc ... lution.htm
http://www.nyu.edu/projects/fitch/cours ... dence.html
http://www.imls.uzh.ch/research/noll/pu ... 73_785.pdf
http://www.cell.com/developmental-cell/ ... 0703003253
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.gate.net/~rwms/hum_ape_chrom.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/07/scien ... .html?_r=1
http://jhered.oxfordjournals.org/content/91/3/221
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 1006000526
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/310/5746/287
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.evolutionpages.com/chromosome_2.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-WAHpC0Ah0
http://www.indiana.edu/~ensiweb/lessons/molb.ws.pdf
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v4 ... 331a0.html
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/ ... 050603.php
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/ ... 071801.php
http://www.scripps.edu/newsandviews/e_20060327/evo.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://scienceray.com/biology/zoology/a ... maritimus/
http://facstaff.gpc.edu/~pgore/geology/ ... vation.pdf
http://www.nmsr.org/nylon.htm
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc ... l#atavisms

Oh let me guess, we're dealing with someone who has no understanding of the scientific context of the word "theory"?
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Postby Opuntia » Sun Sep 15, 2013 12:33 pm

Christian Union wrote:
The Corparation wrote:
Micro-evolution can be observed in the immune system "evolving" to protect against a certain pathogen, or in a bacteria "evolving" to become resistant to a certain drug. Macro evolution has never been substantiated, ever. Aside from some fossils that may or may not be indicative of genuine links, provided they're authentic to begin with. Falsely equating micro and macro evolution under the same "supreme scientific fact" umbrella-argument does nothing to advance acceptance of your theory.


Yep Micro Evolution over extended periods of time does not produce macro evolution. As this analgoy so cleaerly demonstrates. :roll:
Image

If it does, we have no verifiable proof of it. As of yet, no species has yet to macro-evolve as a result of any combination of "micro" evolutionary trends. If they have, we have no documented proof. The only "proof" for macro-evolution, as I mentioned above, are some skeletons that purportedly demonstrate modern theory in action. How they demonstrate that is a mystery to anyone who does not firmly believe in evolutionary theory, as if it were a religion. At best they prove that there were other ape-like beings that once existed long ago, which is why evolution will always remain a theory, never to be proven as fact in the eyes of those who are at odds with the methodologies of the modern scientific community.

And because microevolution exists, macroevolution exists. It is just microevolution in a larger scale.
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Postby Utceforp » Sun Sep 15, 2013 12:33 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
Edlichbury wrote:I'm just saying, leave some for the rest of us, gosh! You took all the good storytelling for yourself!

Hey, the Chinese and Iranians got some good stuff.

The Indus Valley people probably wrote some cool myths, who knows?
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Postby Lordieth » Sun Sep 15, 2013 12:33 pm

Edlichbury wrote:
Pavlostani wrote:
Damn. God's writing ability falls right next to that of whoever wrote Twilight.

He took the actual plotline from someone else and changed around some names. His skills fell to Fifty Shades of Grey territory.


Isn't the bible essentially just a collection of stories written by various individuals, of which the final collection was decided upon by the church? I mean that's what it is, right? How did the church know they were all gospels? What about the gospels that got rejected or left out?
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Postby Pavlostani » Sun Sep 15, 2013 12:33 pm

Divair wrote:
Tatooene wrote:prove to me that nothing evolved into something.

Not evolution. You're thinking of abiogenesis. Entirely different and entirely irrelevant.


Well, I came across this post while studying for AP Bio.

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