Texas: Put Creationism In Every Textbook!!!

[Christian Union]

I have heard of several scientists who do not "believe" in evolution. Even my high-school biology teacher in liberal New York State was able to admit to herself and the class that evolution is still a theory which is far from concrete. I say it's you who have been brainwashed to accept a certain spin on things. And to all who say that "opinions don't matter", you're right, they don't. Which is why creationists around the world will continue to disbelieve your opinion on the origins of humanity. Another poster mentioned something about "evolution being demonstrated". Micro-evolution is not at all the same as macro, even by evolutionary standards. If it demonstrates any principle, it's that humans will exaggerate any bit of data to support an otherwise preposterous belief.

As for creationism being completely abrahamic, include other views like those of Buddhists, Hindus, etc. Let all views be included instead of perpetuating the model of the intellectual superiority complex which has used so many different fronts over the centuries, militant Christianity included.

Because one high school teacher=the whole scientific community. I'm not saying evolution is a fact, but gravity isn't a proven fact either. Evolution has evidence, other stories do not. Instead of wasting time teaching so many different alternative theories which would take up ridiculous amounts of school time, lets teach the one "theory" we know is probably true.

I would agree, except that everyone will never agree on one theory as being true. If that were so, everyone would still be devout Catholics, and witches and heretics would be burned at the stake. But thankfully, most of the world has progressed to a point where the law allows people to accept their own beliefs, so long as they don't infringe on the rights of others to do the same. That way, everyone is happy, no-one is forced into a corner by rabid creationists or evolutionists, chanting the dogma of their select hero(es). Millions of people can argue that their belief systems have evidence because of supernatural, science-defying occurrences that they've witnessed. But until all people witness the same compelling evidence of whatever belief system is being pushed, it's not right to force any one theory as "undeniable fact". Let people believe what they want to, and ensure the protection of minorities who disagree with mainstream belief.

[The Scientific States]

God bless Texas.

You mean God dammit Texas, right?

[Great Nepal]

Creationism belongs in a religious studies class that is optional. Evolution and science must be mandatory.

Says who? Says you? It's only fair we teach them both, (and it's not like we have to go through each and every religious detail, just let them know it exists, sheesh!) so people can decide what to believe. Creationism is just as much school material as math.

One is a scientific theory. Another one fails to meet criteria of scientific hypothesis.
Gees, we should teach both of them equally, its only fair!!!

[Edlichbury]

Creationism belongs in a religious studies class that is optional. Evolution and science must be mandatory.

Says who? Says you? It's only fair we teach them both, (and it's not like we have to go through each and every religious detail, just let them know it exists, sheesh!) so people can decide what to believe. Creationism is just as much school material as math.

Creationism is only valid teaching in the context of teaching a history class that deals in part with the early Hebrew civilisation. Math is proven, it is consistent, and needed in society.

[Genivaria]

Are you sure?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_evolution

that is a wicked root of catholic church , us traditional catholics , we refuse evolutionism

So you go against what the Pope says? Well that makes you a Heathen doesn't it?

[The Holy NeoSpanish Empire]

Creationism is just as much school material as math.

No it isn't. School isn't here to teach you beliefs. School is here to teach you knowledge. If you want to go crazy and learn about astrology and alchemy, you can do it in your own time.

school must support each people believings

[The Scientific States]

Because one high school teacher=the whole scientific community. I'm not saying evolution is a fact, but gravity isn't a proven fact either. Evolution has evidence, other stories do not. Instead of wasting time teaching so many different alternative theories which would take up ridiculous amounts of school time, lets teach the one "theory" we know is probably true.

I would agree, except that everyone will never agree on one theory as being true. If that were so, everyone would still be devout Catholics, and witches and heretics would be burned at the stake. But thankfully, most of the world has progressed to a point where the law allows people to accept their own beliefs, so long as they don't infringe on the rights of others to do the same. That way, everyone is happy, no-one is forced into a corner by rabid creationists or evolutionists, chanting the dogma of their select hero(es). Millions of people can argue that their belief systems have evidence because of supernatural, science-defying occurrences that they've witnessed. But until all people witness the same compelling evidence of whatever belief system is being pushed, it's not right to force any one theory as "undeniable fact". Let people believe what they want to, and ensure the protection of minorities who disagree with mainstream belief.

Your post contradicts your previous statements. Let people believe what they want to is what you say, though you want to shove religion down kids throats who attend secular schools.

[Pandeeria]

God bless Texas.

You mean God dammit Texas, right?

Writing errors suck, don't they?

[Kingdoms of Cal]

Call me stupid, but doesn't this go against the whole church/state thing?

If creationism is to be taught then surely all creation theorise must be equally. As for id, that is just creationism with a few scientist, that mostly don't study biology, paleontology or geology, putting there name to it.

Creationism has it's place in religious studies along with the dream time etc.

[Sensorland]

Creationism is just as much school material as math.

No it isn't. School isn't here to teach you beliefs. School is here to teach you knowledge. If you want to go crazy and learn about astrology and alchemy, you can do it in your own time.

So beliefs aren't knowledge? Knowing about creationism isn't knowing anything? Really?

[Agritum]

Are you sure?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_evolution

that is a wicked root of catholic church , us traditional catholics , we refuse evolutionism

Currently, I see in Germany, but also in the United States, a somewhat fierce debate raging between so-called "creationism" and evolutionism, presented as though they were mutually exclusive alternatives: those who believe in the Creator would not be able to conceive of evolution, and those who instead support evolution would have to exclude God. This antithesis is absurd because, on the one hand, there are so many scientific proofs in favour of evolution which appears to be a reality we can see and which enriches our knowledge of life and being as such. But on the other, the doctrine of evolution does not answer every query, especially the great philosophical question: where does everything come from? And how did everything start which ultimately led to man? I believe this is of the utmost importance.

So the Pope, the representant of God on Earth according to Catholic beliefs, was wicked?

[Divair]

that is a wicked root of catholic church , us traditional catholics , we refuse evolutionism

So you go against what the Pope says? Well that makes you a Heathen doesn't it?

Isn't the point of Catholicism to follow the Pope?..

[The Holy NeoSpanish Empire]

that is a wicked root of catholic church , us traditional catholics , we refuse evolutionism

So you go against what the Pope says? Well that makes you a Heathen doesn't it?

no , it makes him an antipope

[Napkiraly]

Creationism belongs in a religious studies class that is optional. Evolution and science must be mandatory.

Says who? Says you? It's only fair we teach them both, (and it's not like we have to go through each and every religious detail, just let them know it exists, sheesh!) so people can decide what to believe. Creationism is just as much school material as math.

No. Science class is for science, not quackery, which creationism is. Put in a church (or mosque, etc etc.) and keep it out of science since it isn't science.

[Pandeeria]

No it isn't. School isn't here to teach you beliefs. School is here to teach you knowledge. If you want to go crazy and learn about astrology and alchemy, you can do it in your own time.

school must support each people believings

No, not really. Only the logical and factual beliefs.

[The Nuclear Fist]

that is a wicked root of catholic church , us traditional catholics , we refuse evolutionism

So you go against what the Pope says? Well that makes you a Heathen doesn't it?

He's just a shitty catholic, is all.

[Lost heros]

Are you sure?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_evolution

that is a wicked root of catholic church , us traditional catholics , we refuse evolutionism

I assume you traditional Catholics also think the Earth is flat?

[The Scientific States]

No it isn't. School isn't here to teach you beliefs. School is here to teach you knowledge. If you want to go crazy and learn about astrology and alchemy, you can do it in your own time.

school must support each people believings

They do. But it doesn't mean they have to teach every belief. That'd be a bit time consuming, no? Hundreds and hundreds of creation stories exist, don't know how you'd fit each one into the curriculum.

[Sensorland]

God bless Texas.

Fixed. How? By not changing a thing.

[Ainin]

No it isn't. School isn't here to teach you beliefs. School is here to teach you knowledge. If you want to go crazy and learn about astrology and alchemy, you can do it in your own time.

school must support each people believings

Then you agree we should teach about every single religion in the world, then.

[The Holy NeoSpanish Empire]

school must support each people believings

No, not really. Only the logical and factual beliefs.

like catholic one

[Genivaria]

So you go against what the Pope says? Well that makes you a Heathen doesn't it?

no , it makes him an antipope

That requires there be a 'real' Pope.

[The Scientific States]

So you go against what the Pope says? Well that makes you a Heathen doesn't it?

no , it makes him an antipope

Funniest thing I've seen all day

[Napkiraly]

Your religion stays out of the science classroom. And no, I don't have to tolerate creationism.

you have no tolerance with creationism an you have a photo of a cristian marthir

if you dont tolerate MY believing i wont tolerate your too

Me having Nicholas II as my profile pic has nothing to do with my religious beliefs, or lack thereof.

Have fun ignoring facts that even your church acknowledges.

[Divair]

No it isn't. School isn't here to teach you beliefs. School is here to teach you knowledge. If you want to go crazy and learn about astrology and alchemy, you can do it in your own time.

So beliefs aren't knowledge? Knowing about creationism isn't knowing anything? Really?

Correct. We don't teach the flat earth model in school for the exact same reason we don't teach creationism. They're complete nonsense with no evidence backing them. If people want to learn about them (or any of the other myths like alchemy or astrology) they can go do so in their spare time.