Brown gives out Driver Licences to Illegal Immigrants

[Arumdaum]

It's a law that we can be fairly lenient about, such as people downloading music illegally or watching copyrighted movies/animes on the Internet.

We're not fairly lenient about people downloading music illegally...

Although we've been cracking down on it more, it's still something we can still do fairly easily and regularly without fear of being arrested or punished.

[Shofercia]

I'm not saying that. I'm just saying that if you're claiming that drivers who have DLs in Cali are safer drivers than those who don't, you're probably high. There are plenty of other reasons, besides safety, that people can use to give out DLs, such as using a DL to purchase insurance in order to prevent potential problems with police, or the INS, or to make a person feel more welcome in the community, etc.

God forbid unpeople immigrants have insurance in the event of an accident.

I'd like for you to reread what I said. In case you still didn't get it, let me inform you bluntly: I support illegal immigrants being able to get insurance.

[CHUCK N0RRIS]

All laws?

What if an illegal immigrant was found to be somewhat intoxicated while they were driving (which even legal immigrants get deported for), or watched movies on the Internet illegally? These are things American citizens regularly do as well. Why should they be held to extra standards?

If they cannot abide immigration laws, it is better for them to stay where they are than to come here. Besides, it would save countless dollars wasted on border patrolling just to keep people from bypassing the laws.

[Shofercia]

We're not fairly lenient about people downloading music illegally...

Although we've been cracking down on it more, it's still something we can still do fairly easily and regularly without fear of being arrested or punished.

Unless you're running a music sharing website, or downloading for someone besides yourself, or just happen to be randomly targeted, or...

[Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic]

Only full *cough* first-class *cough* citizens should have access to basic rights of modern society such as driving a car? Nice

Ummmmm..... what?
wow.... just wow. Assuming I'm a racist because I oppose illegal immigration. Nice. You deserve a gold medal for bigotry.

[CHUCK N0RRIS]

Is it only me or I could see people fleeing Mexico, Cuba and Colombia like it was in flames?

I did not state in my previous posts, but being refugees does not fully exempt them from having to follow immigration rules.

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

All laws?

What if an illegal immigrant was found to be somewhat intoxicated while they were driving (which even legal immigrants get deported for), or watched movies on the Internet illegally? These are things American citizens regularly do as well. Why should they be held to extra standards?

If they cannot abide immigration laws, it is better for them to stay where they are than to come here. Besides, it would save countless dollars wasted on border patrolling just to keep people from bypassing the laws.

The main reason for border patrolling is drug trafficking rather than immigration.

D.C. is pure corporate interest, do you really actually think it would be in their interests to keep the low-paying worker resource to drain away?

[Condunum]

People are not illegal. What should be criminal is marginalizing 13 million people and treating them like human garbage.

They're not illegal, yes, but they have committed an unlawful act, and the proper punishment needs to be given out.

quod est necessarium est licitum

[Shaggai]

All laws?

What if an illegal immigrant was found to be somewhat intoxicated while they were driving (which even legal immigrants get deported for), or watched movies on the Internet illegally? These are things American citizens regularly do as well. Why should they be held to extra standards?

If they cannot abide immigration laws, it is better for them to stay where they are than to come here. Besides, it would save countless dollars wasted on border patrolling just to keep people from bypassing the laws.

How much does it cost to round up every illegal immigrant and deport them, while somehow stopping the economy from collapsing due to millions of workers being taken out?

[Norstal]

And the cases for illegal immigration varies from cases to cases. You can't just say "punish all illegals lol." A sex slave brought here should get punished? Insane. If anything you want to improve the court system. Not make a general law against illegals.

See my last post about the sex slaves argument.

So are you saying illegals should just be called refugees? I mean technically, they all are. Syrians fleeing into turkey illegally are called refugees, but we have this insane notion that illegals from Mexico are criminals.

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

Only full *cough* first-class *cough* citizens should have access to basic rights of modern society such as driving a car? Nice

Ummmmm..... what?
wow.... just wow. Assuming I'm a racist because I oppose illegal immigration. Nice. You deserve a gold medal for bigotry.

Who cares about the law so deeply? Who has ever read the entire law system of their own countries besides lawyers? Would you support people being tormented and excluded and treated like second-class or nonhumans for breaking one single item? Being opposed to illegal immigrants being treated nicely - especially when the reasons to immigrate are very close or equivalent to socioeconomic refugee status in any decent evaluation - is indeed bigotry. -_-

[Ponderosa]

I suppose it's okay if millions of Americans move to, say, England, without following any of their immigration laws?

Immigration is fine. Illegal immigration isn't.

[Saveyou Island]

See my last post about the sex slaves argument.

So are you saying illegals should just be called refugees? I mean technically, they all are. Syrians fleeing into turkey illegally are called refugees, but we have this insane notion that illegals from Mexico are criminals.

No, I'm saying people living in conditions such as being forced into sex trafficking should be called refugees.

[CHUCK N0RRIS]

The main reason for border patrolling is drug trafficking rather than immigration.

While that is true, illegal immigration has to receive some sort of punishments similar to the ones that drug trafficking receives.

D.C. is pure corporate interest, do you really actually think it would be in their interests to keep the low-paying worker resource to drain away?

Removing low-paying workers that broke the laws to arrive to the US does open jobs for numerous unemployed Americans. It would be something that D.C. would want to pay attention to.

[The Scientific States]

People are not illegal. What should be criminal is marginalizing 13 million people and treating them like human garbage.

^this

Nothing is wrong with illegal immigrants driving.

[Zavea]

considering these people often need vehicles to work and live their lives, it fundamentally makes sense to give them the chance to train and study for a driver's license to teach safe driving and benefit everyone rather than let them drive around not legally qualified to operate a car

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

I suppose it's okay if millions of Americans move to, say, England, without following any of their immigration laws?

Don't know 'bout them English but I guess Brazilians wouldn't mind. We don't mind Bolivians, Paraguayans, Venezuelans, Angolans, Haitians, Nigerians, Chinese, etc.

[Saveyou Island]

The main reason for border patrolling is drug trafficking rather than immigration.

While that is true, illegal immigration has to receive some sort of punishments similar to the ones that drug trafficking receives.

Okay, hold it right there.
So smuggling harmful drugs, which by the way, too much of could kill someone, MUST have the same punishment of coming into a country illegally, in order to live a tough life being marked as "illegal"?
No. No. No.

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

D.C. is pure corporate interest, do you really actually think it would be in their interests to keep the low-paying worker resource to drain away?

Removing low-paying workers that broke the laws to arrive to the US does open jobs for numerous unemployed Americans. It would be something that D.C. would want to pay attention to.

You actually trust your government?

Ha. Ha. Ha. Hahaha. Ha.

[Llamalandia]

Utterly ridiculous. Illegal immigrants should be deported. It's called 'illegal' immigration for a reason. Giving illegal immigrants licenses is preposterous and he should be voted out of office.

this about a hundred thousand times over. Seriously if you want to become and american and drive a car (or any vehicle for that matter) then come to America legally either as a tourist or as hopeful prospective citizen. Do it legally or stay the hell out.

As for drivers licenses are they going to be required to show proof of insurance to obtain them?

[Condunum]

Utterly ridiculous. Illegal immigrants should be deported. It's called 'illegal' immigration for a reason. Giving illegal immigrants licenses is preposterous and he should be voted out of office.

this about a hundred thousand times over. Seriously if you want to become and american and drive a car (or any vehicle for that matter) then come to America legally either as a tourist or as hopeful prospective citizen. Do it legally or stay the hell out.

As for drivers licenses are they going to be required to show proof of insurance to obtain them?

I'll accept this argument when there isn't an insanely high barrier to entry that most citizens would fail.

[Shofercia]

As for drivers licenses are they going to be required to show proof of insurance to obtain them?

Hopefully! If it's the law for everyone, it's the law.

[Llamalandia]

I suppose it's okay if millions of Americans move to, say, England, without following any of their immigration laws?

Don't know 'bout them English but I guess Brazilians wouldn't mind. We don't mind Bolivians, Paraguayans, Venezuelans, Angolans, Haitians, Nigerians, Chinese, etc.

Well ok then feel free to take em off our hands, heck the usa should just deport the 10-20 million illegals to Brazil and see if you change your tune after that haha

[CHUCK N0RRIS]

You actually trust your government?

Ha. Ha. Ha. Hahaha. Ha.

No. But it would be a nice way to improve the US.

[Llamalandia]

this about a hundred thousand times over. Seriously if you want to become and american and drive a car (or any vehicle for that matter) then come to America legally either as a tourist or as hopeful prospective citizen. Do it legally or stay the hell out.

As for drivers licenses are they going to be required to show proof of insurance to obtain them?

I'll accept this argument when there isn't an insanely high barrier to entry that most citizens would fail.

Actually we should deport stupid citizens by birth to some hell whole like Somalia cause screw em. Yeah i agree to some extent the bar is too high and there's too much big govt beauracracy but hey Welcome to America get used to it. But yeah seriously we need immigration reform, that will allow in high wuality well educated patriotic immigrants. The days of tired poor and huddle masses is long over though.