Should Racism be a chargeable offense?

[Dragonic Outland]

As opposed to lynching someone because you don't like him?

I don't think the victim cares.

When has lynching someone because you don't like him/her became legal?

[Magna Libero]

The amount of people who pressed "no"( or yes to freedom of speech) in the poll surprises me. That's very interesting.
Meanwhile in Finland, a vast majority of people are shocked, because a political organization wants freedom of speech.

Depends on the case. Racism is pretty broad. If you lynch someone because he is black yes it should be a crime.

If you say the N word that is freedom of speech.

He should be convicted, because he lynched someone. Not, because of the reason why he did it.

[Luveria]

The amount of people who pressed "no"( or yes to freedom of speech) in the poll surprises me. That's very interesting.
Meanwhile in Finland, a vast majority of people are shocked, because a political organization wants freedom of speech.

Which political organization?

[Cameroi]

Now, the last thing we need is a bunch of over sensitive idiots who take everything as offensive to start suing people. But, should undeniable racism be a chargeable offense? Hate crimes invoking murder, rape, theft, etc. could all be caused by racism (a general statement, all cases are different and completely unrelated to each other and don't always involve racism or anything of the like).

Should racism be charge able offense?
If so,
Should it be just a fine
Jail time?
Both?

If not, why?

I think it could but it would be abused by over sensitive idiots.

Depends on the case. Racism is pretty broad. If you lynch someone because he is black yes it should be a crime.

If you say the N word that is freedom of speech.

pretty much this. although the latter is a cultural problem, not just freedom of speech, and has the potential for creating an atmospher, in which the former, becomes statistically more probable.

which is the motivation for wanting to prevent it. to which laws are perhaps not the most likely to be effective solution.

[Apollonesia]

Now, the last thing we need is a bunch of over sensitive idiots who take everything as offensive to start suing people. But, should undeniable racism be a chargeable offense? Hate crimes invoking murder, rape, theft, etc. could all be caused by racism (a general statement, all cases are different and completely unrelated to each other and don't always involve racism or anything of the like).

Should racism be charge able offense?
If so,
Should it be just a fine
Jail time?
Both?

If not, why?

I think it could but it would be abused by over sensitive idiots.

Depends on the case. Racism is pretty broad. If you lynch someone because he is black yes it should be a crime.

If you say the N word that is freedom of speech.

One could, hypothetically, lynch a black person because they do not like him/her.

A person responsible for lynching a coloured individual should not automatically be charged with a hate crime.

[Madenia]

As opposed to lynching someone because you don't like him?

I don't think the victim cares.

When has lynching someone because you don't like him/her became legal?

Before 1965ish it might as well have been legal in the south.

Klansmen did it all the time without even getting arrested.

[Risottia]

Depends on the case. Racism is pretty broad. If you lynch someone because he is black yes it should be a crime.

If you say the N word that is freedom of speech.

In jurisdictions where insulting people is a crime (there are a lot), that would constitute an insult with the aggravating circumstance of racist motivations.

[Risottia]

One could, hypothetically, lynch a black person because they do not like him/her.

A person responsible for lynching a coloured individual should not automatically be charged with a hate crime.

Exactly. That's why the crime of lynching should be punished per se, and the eventual aggravating circumstance of the racist motivations should be checked and evaluated in the trial.

[Ifreann]

They've tried this in Europe and, quite frankly, I don't think it's working.

They did what now?

[Opuntia]

Unenforceable and wrong.

Unenforceable is usually wrong.

No. There is almost always physical evidence pointing towards rape. Not to racism.

Do note this part.

What I mean is laws can be abused to gain benefit and damage reputations

Uhhuh... I fail to see your point there. Sorry.

[Risottia]

The amount of people who pressed "no"( or yes to freedom of speech) in the poll surprises me. That's very interesting.
Meanwhile in Finland, a vast majority of people are shocked, because a political organization wants freedom of speech.

Which political organization?

A guess: True Finns. That is a xenophobic party who wants the freedom of kicking the niggers the ruskies the southerners and generally whomever they don't like out.

[The Serbian Empire]

Depends on the case to be honest. Racism with no threat of violence is not criminal in nature in my opinion under freedom of speech. Racism with a threat is criminal as a crime is threatened.

[Luveria]

Unenforceable is usually wrong.



Do note this part.

Uhhuh... I fail to see your point there. Sorry.

Being falsely accused of something can damage a person's reputation, even if they don't end up being charged with anything.

Which political organization?

A guess: True Finns. That is a xenophobic party who wants the freedom of kicking the niggers the ruskies the southerners and generally whomever they don't like out.

I wasn't aware Finland has their own version of Golden Dawn.

[Opuntia]

Now, the last thing we need is a bunch of over sensitive idiots who take everything as offensive to start suing people. But, should undeniable racism be a chargeable offense? Hate crimes invoking murder, rape, theft, etc. could all be caused by racism (a general statement, all cases are different and completely unrelated to each other and don't always involve racism or anything of the like).

Should racism be charge able offense?
If so,
Should it be just a fine
Jail time?
Both?

If not, why?

I think it could but it would be abused by over sensitive idiots.

Depends on the case. Racism is pretty broad. If you lynch someone because he is black yes it should be a crime.

If you say the N word that is freedom of speech.

If you lynch a person then it is a crime, with racial motives or otherwise.

If black rappers use it, I sure as hell oughta be allowed to myself.

[Luveria]

Depends on the case. Racism is pretty broad. If you lynch someone because he is black yes it should be a crime.

If you say the N word that is freedom of speech.

If you lynch a person then it is a crime, with racial motives or otherwise.

If black rappers use it, I sure as hell oughta be allowed to myself.

Are you not allowed to use it? How do you explain white rappers?

[Magna Libero]

The amount of people who pressed "no"( or yes to freedom of speech) in the poll surprises me. That's very interesting.
Meanwhile in Finland, a vast majority of people are shocked, because a political organization wants freedom of speech.

Which political organization?

Though, the youth organization stated tons of other things, but their stance on freedom of hatred shocked the most + this

[Apollonesia]

One could, hypothetically, lynch a black person because they do not like him/her.

A person responsible for lynching a coloured individual should not automatically be charged with a hate crime.

Exactly. That's why the crime of lynching should be punished per se, and the eventual aggravating circumstance of the racist motivations should be checked and evaluated in the trial.

Precisely.

[Opuntia]

Uhhuh... I fail to see your point there. Sorry.

Being falsely accused of something can damage a person's reputation, even if they don't end up being charged with anything.

A guess: True Finns. That is a xenophobic party who wants the freedom of kicking the niggers the ruskies the southerners and generally whomever they don't like out.

I wasn't aware Finland has their own version of Golden Dawn.

Freedom Party -- Finland's Future is our version of Golden Dawn. True Finns just has a balless leader who just wants any vote for his party that he can get. And who are the ones who rake all the votes in if not the anti-muslims, sexists, racists or homophobes like Halla-aho, Immonen, Tossavainen, Eerola, Hirvisaari, Niikko and Niinistö. Freedom Party is to Hungary's Jobbik as True Finns is to Fidesz.

EDIT: also, my reply to your reply: when the charge is official, it is publicized and it gets more and more damaging.

[Madenia]

If you lynch a person then it is a crime, with racial motives or otherwise.

If black rappers use it, I sure as hell oughta be allowed to myself.

Are you not allowed to use it? How do you explain white rappers?

Most white rappers don't use the N-word. Believe it or not Eminem has never once used the N-word in any rap he has done.

But yes you are legally allowed to use the N-word because of the first amendment though.

[Ayreonia]

As opposed to lynching someone because you don't like him?

I don't think the victim cares.

When has lynching someone because you don't like him/her became legal?

Madenia said that lynching someone because he is black should be a crime. My point was that lynching someone is a crime under any circumstances, regardless of the perpetrator's reason.

[Risottia]

Being falsely accused of something can damage a person's reputation, even if they don't end up being charged with anything.


I wasn't aware Finland has their own version of Golden Dawn.

Freedom Party -- Finland's Future is our version of Golden Dawn.

Wow.

I do hope they try to win the next worldwide drunken sauna championship.

[Luveria]

EDIT: also, my reply to your reply: when the charge is official, it is publicized and it gets more and more damaging.

It can take a while for that charge to be dropped, and in the meantime it can be very damaging to the person being accused.

Are you not allowed to use it? How do you explain white rappers?

Most white rappers don't use the N-word. Believe it or not Eminem has never once used the N-word in any rap he has done.

But yes you are legally allowed to use the N-word because of the first amendment though.

It's true most don't use it, but it is allowed.

And only in New York the use of the N-word has been banned.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6406625.stm

[Apollonesia]

Are you not allowed to use it? How do you explain white rappers?

I wouldn't consider myself a hippity-hop expert, but I have yet to come across a white rapper who has used "nigger", "nigga", or any variation thereof.

[Magna Libero]

Which political organization?

A guess: True Finns. That is a xenophobic party who wants the freedom of kicking the niggers the ruskies the southerners and generally whomever they don't like out.

No it wasn't the True Finns, but Jussi Halla-Aho, a True Finn, who is convicted of religious and ethnic hatred agrees with the organization, although he disagrees a lot with the libertarian-conservative organization. Now he is planning to make a referendum to make it more moderate or decriminalize/legalize it(I'm not sure what his stance on this issue is at the moment).

[Risottia]

EDIT: also, my reply to your reply: when the charge is official, it is publicized and it gets more and more damaging.

True. Then again, that's true with any criminal charge. Especially so with charges of a violent crime against one or more people.

Basically, you're suggesting a tighter review of the case before the charges are formalised, which is something we can all agree about, I guess.