Should Racism be a chargeable offense?

[Cameroi]

racially motivated crimes carry the additional penalties of hate crimes now.

but unless racism reveals itself in some form of criminal act, it would be, i think, difficult to judge.

every prejudice, not just racial, is a moral offense. but these too, unless they manifest themselves in deeds and action, are difficult to judge fairly.

this is a good example though, of the kind of cultural problem, that throwing a law at it, is unlikely to solve.

i would like to see aggressiveness be a crime. whatever prejudice, or anything else, it manifests itself as.

perhaps there ARE acts, which are motivated by racism and other forms of prejudice, which are not crimes now, that should be.

many of which take place in the political realm, and some of which in the economic.

certainly race based gerrymandering ought to be criminalized in some way.

disenfranchising voters on the basis of ethnicity or other demographic as well.

[Risottia]

No, telling me to destroy the portal I came from was.

Does that portal exist?
Anyway, no, that's not an insult. /notamod

If you feel it is, report it in Moderation.

[Benuty]

How about no, you crazy dutch bastard.

This constitutes both trollbaiting and flaming, and you shouldn't be.
/notamod.

Seriously?

So much for Dr. Evil.

[Saint Panda]

No, telling me to destroy the portal I came from was.

Does that portal exist?
Anyway, no, that's not an insult. /notamod

If you feel it is, report it in Moderation.

I was joking. Perhaps insult was too strong of a word?
And yes, I come from panda land :3

[Luveria]

Disagreeing is an insult.


Those are all excellent proposals that should be considered after the bans on racism and sexism are in place.

No, telling me to destroy the portal I came from was. And I was playing, calm down

Why was it offensive? Do you cherish your portal that much to get upset about someone suggesting you destroy it?

[Saint Panda]

No, telling me to destroy the portal I came from was. And I was playing, calm down

Why was it offensive? Do you cherish your portal that much to get upset about someone suggesting you destroy it?

How would you like being cut off from the homeland

[Dragonic Outland]

I was joking. Perhaps insult was too strong of a word?
And yes, I come from panda land :3

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[Risottia]

I was joking. Perhaps insult was too strong of a word?

Yup.

And yes, I come from panda land :3

Err... General is OOC (out-of-character).

[Dragonic Outland]

Err... General is OOC (out-of-character).

I suppose this is called ninja'd?

[Opuntia]

The fact remains that it will always be highly abused if we ban discrimination in general.

Discrimination based on sex, race, social or national origin, wealth, language, political opinion, religion etc is already banned in most developed countries.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHR#Artic ... rimination
I don't see lots of abuses coming from that.

What I mean is laws can be abused to gain benefit and damage reputations. I'm not saying I'm sure that any incidents have been reported yet nor am I sure it has even happened yet. But there lingers the possibility. Any form of thought crime is unavoidable.

[Saint Panda]

Alright. Sorry for occ.

[Downeistan]

Absolutely not. It would be selectively enforced against white people by liberal activist judges on the "behalf" of racial minorities. An excuse to disenfranchise conservative voters through felony convictions.

I can only presume that this is extraordinarily prescient satire.

[Luveria]

Discrimination based on sex, race, social or national origin, wealth, language, political opinion, religion etc is already banned in most developed countries.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHR#Artic ... rimination
I don't see lots of abuses coming from that.

What I mean is laws can be abused to gain benefit and damage reputations. I'm not saying I'm sure that any incidents have been reported yet nor am I sure it has even happened yet. But there lingers the possibility. Any form of thought crime is unavoidable.

Going by your train of thought, because rape laws can be abused by false reports, does that mean rape laws shouldn't exist?

[Ayreonia]

How do you think those would be enforced?

Policies against workplace discrimination are a start.

Those exist already. They're not banning racism or sexism themselves, but actions based on them. You cannot ban an opinion.

[Opuntia]

How about no, you crazy dutch bastard.

This constitutes both trollbaiting and flaming, and you shouldn't be.
/notamod.

First of all, it was a movie reference, and secondly, report. Don't trollname, baitname or whatever.

[Luveria]

Policies against workplace discrimination are a start.

Those exist already. They're not banning racism or sexism themselves, but actions based on them. You cannot ban an opinion.

That's what I've been pointing out to people wanting to ban thoughts. Actions motivated by those thoughts are already criminalized. Anything further is unenforceable.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

Disagreeing is an insult.


Those are all excellent proposals that should be considered after the bans on racism and sexism are in place.

How about no, you crazy dutch bastard. No offense to the Dutch or to you if you were Dutch.

Banning forms of thought never bodes well. Let's avoid making thought crimes commitable, aight?

How about we avoid making comments, even if in jest, that may be difficult to interpret as inoffensive given the topic at hand, hm? Thanks.

[Risottia]

What I mean is laws can be abused to gain benefit and damage reputations.

As every law. That's why we have a judiciary that can interpret laws.

I'm not saying I'm sure that any incidents have been reported yet nor am I sure it has even happened yet. But there lingers the possibility. Any form of thought crime is unavoidable.

Discrimination isn't thought crime: discrimination happens through acts , not merely through thoughts.

This constitutes both trollbaiting and flaming, and you shouldn't be.
/notamod.

First of all, it was a movie reference, and secondly, report. Don't trollname, baitname or whatever.

First of all, already reported, and second, well, you saw it by yourself - I evidently wasn't trollnaming or whatever.

[Ayreonia]

Those exist already. They're not banning racism or sexism themselves, but actions based on them. You cannot ban an opinion.

That's what I've been pointing out to people wanting to ban thoughts. Actions motivated by those thoughts are already criminalized. Anything further is unenforceable.

Unenforceable and wrong.

[Opuntia]

What I mean is laws can be abused to gain benefit and damage reputations. I'm not saying I'm sure that any incidents have been reported yet nor am I sure it has even happened yet. But there lingers the possibility. Any form of thought crime is unavoidable.

Going by your train of thought, because rape laws can be abused by false reports, does that mean rape laws shouldn't exist?

No. There is almost always physical evidence pointing towards rape. Not to racism.

[Madenia]

Now, the last thing we need is a bunch of over sensitive idiots who take everything as offensive to start suing people. But, should undeniable racism be a chargeable offense? Hate crimes invoking murder, rape, theft, etc. could all be caused by racism (a general statement, all cases are different and completely unrelated to each other and don't always involve racism or anything of the like).

Should racism be charge able offense?
If so,
Should it be just a fine
Jail time?
Both?

If not, why?

I think it could but it would be abused by over sensitive idiots.

Depends on the case. Racism is pretty broad. If you lynch someone because he is black yes it should be a crime.

If you say the N word that is freedom of speech.

[Ayreonia]

Now, the last thing we need is a bunch of over sensitive idiots who take everything as offensive to start suing people. But, should undeniable racism be a chargeable offense? Hate crimes invoking murder, rape, theft, etc. could all be caused by racism (a general statement, all cases are different and completely unrelated to each other and don't always involve racism or anything of the like).

Should racism be charge able offense?
If so,
Should it be just a fine
Jail time?
Both?

If not, why?

I think it could but it would be abused by over sensitive idiots.

Depends on the case. Racism is pretty broad. If you lynch someone because he is black yes it should be a crime.

If you say the N word that is freedom of speech.

As opposed to lynching someone because you don't like him?

I don't think the victim cares.

[Luveria]

That's what I've been pointing out to people wanting to ban thoughts. Actions motivated by those thoughts are already criminalized. Anything further is unenforceable.

Unenforceable and wrong.

Unenforceable is usually wrong.

Going by your train of thought, because rape laws can be abused by false reports, does that mean rape laws shouldn't exist?

No. There is almost always physical evidence pointing towards rape. Not to racism.

Do note this part.

What I mean is laws can be abused to gain benefit and damage reputations

[Opuntia]

How about no, you crazy dutch bastard. No offense to the Dutch or to you if you were Dutch.

Banning forms of thought never bodes well. Let's avoid making thought crimes commitable, aight?

How about we avoid making comments, even if in jest, that may be difficult to interpret as inoffensive given the topic at hand, hm? Thanks.

No problems, bro. My intent was not to offend in any way.

[Saint Panda]

Now, the last thing we need is a bunch of over sensitive idiots who take everything as offensive to start suing people. But, should undeniable racism be a chargeable offense? Hate crimes invoking murder, rape, theft, etc. could all be caused by racism (a general statement, all cases are different and completely unrelated to each other and don't always involve racism or anything of the like).

Should racism be charge able offense?
If so,
Should it be just a fine
Jail time?
Both?

If not, why?

I think it could but it would be abused by over sensitive idiots.

Depends on the case. Racism is pretty broad. If you lynch someone because he is black yes it should be a crime.

If you say the N word that is freedom of speech.

Don't forget it's not just limited white vs black. There are others out there.