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Should racism be a chargeable offense?

Poll ended at Fri Sep 20, 2013 6:17 am

Yes
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No
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Postby Ainin » Fri Sep 13, 2013 9:01 pm

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Shaggai wrote:Because it's cheaper, for one thing.

Hanging is far cheaper actually.

The cost in a death sentence isn't the execution itself, it's the appeals and trials that come before it, which makes it more expensive than life in prison.
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Postby Dragonic Outland » Fri Sep 13, 2013 9:02 pm

It depends on how many appeals are allowed.


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Postby Ainin » Fri Sep 13, 2013 9:05 pm

Dragonic Outland wrote:It depends on how many appeals are allowed.

...the same as for everyone else.
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Postby Death Metal » Fri Sep 13, 2013 9:11 pm

-San Andreas wrote:Yes its should because its mainly the white people that insult the black people saying shit with their outrageous mouth


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Postby Novikov » Fri Sep 13, 2013 10:07 pm

Yes! In fact, let's criminalize all thought crimes while we're at it! The world would be much better if we could try and execute people for thinking about terrorism or treason, right?

... In all seriousness, though, this is a horrible idea. If a citizen's racist behavior infringes on the civil rights of another citizen, than sure there should be legal recourse for the victim. If not, there is no reason for the state to act. Plus, the concept of racism is so nebulous that any law regarding it would be prone to abuse and misuse.
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Postby Apollonesia » Fri Sep 13, 2013 10:20 pm

-San Andreas wrote:Yes its should because its mainly the white people that insult the black people saying shit with their outrageous mouth

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Postby Empire of Vlissingen » Fri Sep 13, 2013 10:40 pm

If racism becomes a chargeable offense then you see black,asians and jews as different than white people.

So an Anti-racism law would cause more racism.

And we also have freedom of speech!
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Postby Freelanderness » Fri Sep 13, 2013 11:21 pm

Literally everyone would be incarcerated, sorry no.
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Postby ZadeXori » Fri Sep 13, 2013 11:39 pm

Yeah no. If it wasn't racism, it would be sexism, ageism, classism, heterosexism, ableism, etc. The discrimination never stops. How would we even police this? How blatant would the offense need to be to prove it? And as unpleasant as racism is, why shouldn't people be able to think what they want? One can think something without acting upon it.
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Postby Opuntia » Sat Sep 14, 2013 12:06 am

America Libertaria wrote:This is a great idea! One step closer to true equality, next we have to make sure no one is smarter than anyone, stronger than anyone, or better looking than anyone. True equality for all!

So, stopping discrimination is in your eyes assimilation?
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Postby Opuntia » Sat Sep 14, 2013 12:08 am

-San Andreas wrote:Yes its should because its mainly the white people that insult the black people saying shit with their outrageous mouth

Yea coz antiracist is codeword 4 antiwhite lolz :roll:
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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Sat Sep 14, 2013 12:10 am

Not at all.
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Postby Opuntia » Sat Sep 14, 2013 12:11 am

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CHUCK N0RRIS wrote:I agree that it would get annoying if the message is repeatedly sent, so maybe it could serve as a "reminder."

As well, I think we might be going a bit off-topic. Anyways, if we were to allow free speech/expression/opinion, then we must have to bear racism. Suppressing it is equivalent to suppressing free speech/expression/opinion.


So true, so true. The last thing we want is some ideological inquisition enforcing anti-racism and political correctness.

So racial discrimination should not be even shunned at the very least?
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Postby Narland » Sat Sep 14, 2013 12:20 am

No.
This is the problem with group-think. Any power can use a determined dialectic to divide, conquer and perpetually subjugate society by keeping them from recognizing the dignity of each individual human being (who should be judged individually according to acts and deeds). As long as a person identifies himself primarily as a race, a sex, a creed, ad naseum, in deference to his humanity, he will be correct in not seeing a need to think in terms other than us vs. them. Denial to treat others outside of his political fiction (whether real or imagined) with the respect rightfully due them can be rationalized (no matter how unjust) and enforced with the full power of the state to threaten, punish,and kill dissenters merely for pointing out wrongness of behavior based on individual volition. Instead of being a move to a color-blind society, it exacerbates the very thing that it claims to ameliorate.

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Postby Twenty-Fourth Reich » Sat Sep 14, 2013 12:26 am

Yes, we should ban all thoughtcrime, and double the sentences for crimes committed with thoughtcrime as a motive! If someone steals from me out of spite rather than greed, I want them locked away for twice as many years!!! It's completely logical!!

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Postby Narland » Sat Sep 14, 2013 12:40 am

Twenty-Fourth Reich wrote:Yes, we should ban all thoughtcrime, and double the sentences for crimes committed with thoughtcrime as a motive! If someone steals from me out of spite rather than greed, I want them locked away for twice as many years!!! It's completely logical!!


What is this duckspeak? Thoughtcrime is treason. Mere-crime is society's fault, and the victim is the perpetrator. That is why Big-Brother must watch all of society for it is society that needs imprisoned. We've always been at war with Eastasia. :unsure:
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Postby Quintium » Sat Sep 14, 2013 1:56 am

Empire of Vlissingen wrote:If racism becomes a chargeable offense then you see black,asians and jews as different than white people.

So an Anti-racism law would cause more racism.


One of the great paradoxes of our time. By recognising racism and trying to identify it, you need to make a distinction based on race. That's why it's funny to see some people who argue with me fall for their own tricks - when they call me a racist, they're the first in the discussion to identify some racial group that I supposedly hate. Making them the racists.


Empire of Vlissingen wrote:And we also have freedom of speech!


The most important freedom of all. The more of that, the better - and if you don't have freedom of speech, you can't have a good debate or a free society.
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Postby Quintium » Sat Sep 14, 2013 2:01 am

Saiwania wrote:That is where you're wrong. Perhaps I'm just an outlier, but nobody in my family taught me about racism. I observed that my skin color was different than some other people's and I proceeded to proactively teach myself about race and came to accept it, when I noticed that Whites are going to become the minority in the US.


Well, my turn, though I'm sure this anecdote is going to haunt me for all eternity. I first saw someone of another race, I asked him whether the pigment of his skin rubbed off like papier-mâché. I was one year old.
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Postby Wind in the Willows » Sat Sep 14, 2013 2:05 am

It only seems to be a criminal offense if the victims are of colour for some reason. If a black man for example, walks up to a white man and starts shouting racial slurs like 'honky' and 'cracker' - nothing would be done.

However, if the white man walks up to the black man and starts shouting racial slurs, the left-wing media would go crazy and everybody would be crying racism.

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Postby Big Jim P » Sat Sep 14, 2013 2:12 am

Wind in the Willows wrote:It only seems to be a criminal offense if the victims are of colour for some reason. If a black man for example, walks up to a white man and starts shouting racial slurs like 'honky' and 'cracker' - nothing would be done.

However, if the white man walks up to the black man and starts shouting racial slurs, the left-wing media would go crazy and everybody would be crying racism.


Only whites can be racist, dontcha know? ;)
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Postby Grantica » Sat Sep 14, 2013 2:14 am

No.

Racism is sometimes a motive for criminal behavior. Jealousy, lust, and greed are also sometimes motives for criminal behavior. If we go out arresting people for hating or thinking poorly of this or that race, then we probably need to go out and arrest people for being jealous of other people's stuff. Or even for really liking how some woman (or man) looks.

If someone commits a crime, such as vandalism or murder, then they should be tried for the crime not why they committed the crime.

Otherwise, people can be hateful and idiotic all they want.
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Postby Grantica » Sat Sep 14, 2013 2:21 am

Big Jim P wrote:
Wind in the Willows wrote:It only seems to be a criminal offense if the victims are of colour for some reason. If a black man for example, walks up to a white man and starts shouting racial slurs like 'honky' and 'cracker' - nothing would be done.

However, if the white man walks up to the black man and starts shouting racial slurs, the left-wing media would go crazy and everybody would be crying racism.


Only whites can be racist, dontcha know? ;)


This is true. And calling only white people racist is not racist. It's truth-telling.

The fact is that all groups have their racist members, but on the whole, most people (including myself) just don't really care.

I actually tend to judge people based on intelligence. I guess I'm intelligencist. It's wrong, but at least I know it is a problem, right?

However, stinky people I always avoid... until they are no longer stinky.
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Postby Big Jim P » Sat Sep 14, 2013 2:22 am

Grantica wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Only whites can be racist, dontcha know? ;)


This is true. And calling only white people racist is not racist. It's truth-telling.

The fact is that all groups have their racist members, but on the whole, most people (including myself) just don't really care.

I'm actually tend to judge people based on intelligence. I guess I'm intelligencist. It's wrong, but at least I know it is a problem, right?

However, stinky people I always avoid... until they are no longer stinky.


I agree and am the same judging people on their intelligence.
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Postby Katyuscha » Sat Sep 14, 2013 2:28 am

No.

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Postby Central Slavia » Sat Sep 14, 2013 2:42 am

Shaggai wrote:
Dragonic Outland wrote:Hanging is far cheaper actually.

The main cost of the death penalty comes from the system of appeals and special rules for trials, not the execution itself. And don't suggest we shorten the system of appeals or remove the special rules.

That is a good thing.
It ascertains perpetrator's guilt to a greater degree of certainty. Whereas in life penalty the money goes towards the wellbeing of a scumbag, which is an awful, immoral use of taxpayer money.
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