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Should racism be a chargeable offense?

Poll ended at Fri Sep 20, 2013 6:17 am

Yes
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No
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Depends on the case
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Postby Fascist Russian Empire » Fri Sep 13, 2013 4:26 pm

-San Andreas wrote:Yes its should because its mainly the white people that insult the black people saying shit with their outrageous mouth

And what about black people saying racist things about whites? Should that be a-okay? :palm:

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Postby Cameroi » Fri Sep 13, 2013 4:28 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Cameroi wrote:that IS true. and yes, we could do that with racism. just as west germany, in the 70s, before reunification, attempted to outlaw nazi references in a postive light.

the problem is much the same as what they ran into, and that is the difficulty of attempting to discern intent.


So your issue isn't with "should" or krishnamurti.


krishnamurti's issue was with should. my citing it, was by way of illustration.
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Postby Aeterna Imbris » Fri Sep 13, 2013 4:29 pm

No, as bad as it is that would just be suppressing freedom of speech. Most people detest it enough already to shame racists publicly, leave it at that. Opinions are just that, opinions. What next, we make it illegal to slander against same-sex couples? People need to take it on the chin and ignore it; seems we're incapable of that these days.

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Postby Yankee Arditi » Fri Sep 13, 2013 4:29 pm

No,
As a Racist I find it funny though when the leftists who go on about freedom and personal liberty always attack and try to censor peoplw that don't share their views.

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Postby America Libertaria » Fri Sep 13, 2013 4:30 pm

This is a great idea! One step closer to true equality, next we have to make sure no one is smarter than anyone, stronger than anyone, or better looking than anyone. True equality for all!

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Postby Yankee Arditi » Fri Sep 13, 2013 4:31 pm

Fascist Russian Empire wrote:
-San Andreas wrote:Yes its should because its mainly the white people that insult the black people saying shit with their outrageous mouth

And what about black people saying racist things about whites? Should that be a-okay? :palm:


Yes only White people can be Racist :roll:
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Postby Yankee Arditi » Fri Sep 13, 2013 4:32 pm

America Libertaria wrote:This is a great idea! One step closer to true equality, next we have to make sure no one is smarter than anyone, stronger than anyone, or better looking than anyone. True equality for all!


Egalitarianism has always been about bringing those on top to the bottom level, not raising those that are downtrodden to a higher level.
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Postby The Tundra » Fri Sep 13, 2013 4:32 pm

banning any sort of view won't work. period.

unless we can know what people are thinking, we can't police thought
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Postby Cameroi » Fri Sep 13, 2013 4:39 pm

The Tundra wrote:banning any sort of view won't work. period.

unless we can know what people are thinking, we can't police thought


precisely. and unlike murder, which can be objectively judged, creating a tangled web of such laws, would only hamper the perceived authority of law itself.

i honestly wish, the problem were one that could be addressed as easily as creating a law.
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Postby Ancient Magmia » Fri Sep 13, 2013 4:41 pm

The Tundra wrote:banning any sort of view won't work. period.

^This.
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Postby Luveria » Fri Sep 13, 2013 4:42 pm

The Tundra wrote:banning any sort of view won't work. period.

Fascists do it.

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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Fri Sep 13, 2013 4:56 pm

The American Nuclear Fallout Zone wrote:They've tried this in Europe and, quite frankly, I don't think it's working.

One can't really say either it works or it doesn't work in Brazil, but given how racism is a crime since 1988 I think and how much the country changed since, any opinion will be flawed.
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Postby Red Team » Fri Sep 13, 2013 5:29 pm

Saint Panda wrote:Now, the last thing we need is a bunch of over sensitive idiots who take everything as offensive to start suing people. But, should undeniable racism be a chargeable offense? Hate crimes invoking murder, rape, theft, etc. could all be caused by racism (a general statement, all cases are different and completely unrelated to each other and don't always involve racism or anything of the like).

Should racism be charge able offense?
If so,
Should it be just a fine
Jail time?
Both?

If not, why?

I think it could but it would be abused by over sensitive idiots.


Shoot no! You can't charge someone for their opinions. That doesn't even make sense.
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Postby Tsiryli » Fri Sep 13, 2013 6:29 pm

I wonder how many racists are in this thread.

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Postby The Union of the West » Fri Sep 13, 2013 6:47 pm

Red Team wrote:
Saint Panda wrote:Now, the last thing we need is a bunch of over sensitive idiots who take everything as offensive to start suing people. But, should undeniable racism be a chargeable offense? Hate crimes invoking murder, rape, theft, etc. could all be caused by racism (a general statement, all cases are different and completely unrelated to each other and don't always involve racism or anything of the like).

Should racism be charge able offense?
If so,
Should it be just a fine
Jail time?
Both?

If not, why?

I think it could but it would be abused by over sensitive idiots.


Shoot no! You can't charge someone for their opinions. That doesn't even make sense.

Basically this. Plus, everyone would be guilty, and it's a suppression of free speech, no matter how bad the speech is.
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Postby CHUCK N0RRIS » Fri Sep 13, 2013 6:54 pm

Red Team wrote:Shoot no! You can't charge someone for their opinions. That doesn't even make sense.

We can't simply silence someone just because their words are offensive or hateful. I wholeheartedly agree, but people would need to learn not to offend too much with their words.
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Postby The Union of the West » Fri Sep 13, 2013 6:56 pm

CHUCK N0RRIS wrote:
Red Team wrote:Shoot no! You can't charge someone for their opinions. That doesn't even make sense.

We can't simply silence someone just because their words are offensive or hateful. I wholeheartedly agree, but people would need to learn not to offend too much with their words.

And how do you plan to teach people not to offend?
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Postby Shaggai » Fri Sep 13, 2013 7:01 pm

Fascist Russian Empire wrote:
-San Andreas wrote:Yes its should because its mainly the white people that insult the black people saying shit with their outrageous mouth

And what about black people saying racist things about whites? Should that be a-okay? :palm:

Well, both should be okay. Crimes based on racism, between any races, should be punished harsher, however.
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Postby The Union of the West » Fri Sep 13, 2013 7:07 pm

Shaggai wrote:
Fascist Russian Empire wrote:And what about black people saying racist things about whites? Should that be a-okay? :palm:

Well, both should be okay. Crimes based on racism, between any races, should be punished harsher, however.

I disagree. A crime is a crime. Don't waste time trying to figure out why they did it, and punish them.
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Postby The Union of the West » Fri Sep 13, 2013 7:14 pm

To be honest, I figured a lot more people would say it should be a chargeable offense.
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Postby Red Team » Fri Sep 13, 2013 7:14 pm

The Union of the West wrote:To be honest, I figured a lot more people would say it should be a chargeable offense.


I did too. I'm pleasantly surprised.
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Postby The Union of the West » Fri Sep 13, 2013 7:15 pm

Red Team wrote:
The Union of the West wrote:To be honest, I figured a lot more people would say it should be a chargeable offense.


I did too. I'm pleasantly surprised.

Me too. There's still hope for humanity... :D
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Postby Red Team » Fri Sep 13, 2013 7:17 pm

The Union of the West wrote:
Red Team wrote:
I did too. I'm pleasantly surprised.

Me too. There's still hope for humanity... :D


Not necessarily, unfortunately.
You just got Sarged.


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Postby The Union of the West » Fri Sep 13, 2013 7:18 pm

Red Team wrote:
The Union of the West wrote:Me too. There's still hope for humanity... :D


Not necessarily, unfortunately.

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Postby The Ben Boys » Fri Sep 13, 2013 7:20 pm

Despite the fact that I find racists to be sub-human, no. Anything, anything that affects free speech should not be touched unless it is both a concrete danger to society and easily identifiable. Even then, it's iffy.


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