Should Racism be a chargeable offense?

[Opuntia]

I am strongly opposed to all forms of racism, but still I answer no.

Besides, how would you enforce it?

However thought crime is enforced. Just look at any dictatorship of the present day.

[The Parkus Empire]

orwellian bullshit.

Snort snort chuckle.

How are you going to objectively prove expressing racism is racist? There are plenty of racist things you can say that others will say aren't racist.

[Des-Bal]

Orwell wrote nothing more than fiction that gives your kids bad dreams.

So?

[The Parkus Empire]

You're an opponent of free speech, your response validates my claim.

Orwell wrote nothing more than fiction that gives your kids bad dreams.

Orwell wrote fiction based on an actual government. 1984 was a work of considerable merit, but it is greatly over-referenced, yeah, especially on the internet. I prefer his satire anyway.

[Opuntia]

Orwell wrote nothing more than fiction that gives your kids bad dreams.

So?

Whatever he may have created is not to be taken seriously, because it is fiction. This includes nineteen eighty-four and animal farm.

[The Scientific States]

I am strongly opposed to all forms of racism, but still I answer no.

Besides, how would you enforce it?

However thought crime is enforced. Just look at any dictatorship of the present day.

No it's not. Governments don't go reading thoughts.

[Opuntia]

Orwell wrote nothing more than fiction that gives your kids bad dreams.

Orwell wrote fiction based on an actual government. 1984 was a work of considerable merit, but it is greatly over-referenced, yeah, especially on the internet. I prefer his satire anyway.

It is more realist than Huxley's brave new world. I like both of their works and of course Barry's as well.

Political satire is the best.

[Opuntia]

However thought crime is enforced. Just look at any dictatorship of the present day.

No it's not. Governments don't go reading thoughts.

Yes they do because Orwellism is one of the most rampant forms of fascism on the face of the Earth. Just kidding.

Paranoia and microphones will do the trick. Masses of paranoia and microphones. And electric chairs.

[Wind in the Willows]

Every citizen has the right to freedom of speech. So no.

[Des-Bal]

Whatever he may have created is not to be taken seriously, because it is fiction. This includes nineteen eighty-four and animal farm.

"Orwellian" is an adjective which describes the themes of Orwell and particularly 1984. Those themes are generally agreed upon to be bad. My use of adjectives does not constitute heralding Orwell as a prophet

[Central Slavia]

It's also demonstrably true that a young black man walking about at night is several times more likely to be a thug than a young white man, both chosen at random.

Ha ha, no. A source pleases me more than an ever-so-blatantly racist remark.

Much obliged.
The "National Youth Gang Survey Analysis" (2009) state that of gang members, 49% are Hispanic/Latino, 35% are African-American/black, 9% are white, and 7% are other race/ethnicity.[33]

According to the FBI Uniform Crime Reports, in the year 2008 black youths, who make up 16% of the youth population, accounted for 52% of juvenile violent crime arrests, including 58.5% of youth arrests for homicide and 67% for robbery. Black youths were overrepresented in all offense categories except DUI, liquor laws and drunkenness

[Quintium]

Orwell wrote nothing more than fiction that gives your kids bad dreams.

Orwell wrote fiction based on an actual government. 1984 was a work of considerable merit, but it is greatly over-referenced, yeah, especially on the internet. I prefer his satire anyway.

Personally, I prefer his opinion pieces. The preface to Animal Farm is the single most sensible thing I've ever read. Although a lot of people seem to take 1984 as his best work, that preface described the world as it is - the danger is not in overt government-sanctioned censorship, but in willing self-censorship and the ostracism of those who refuse to adhere to a certain 'orthodoxy', an ever-changing body of ideas that's thought non-negotiable by whoever is in charge of a community. While it's mostly about the Soviet Union and the self-censorship of the British intelligentsia when it comes to criticism of Stalin during the 1930s, it's a formula that can apply to anything at any time. Just replace those two by modern-day equivalents - you'll see.

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

After you make sexism a chargeable offence.

And ageism, lookism, mentalism, rankism, sexualism, sizeism and weightism.

The fact remains that it will always be highly abused if we ban discrimination in general.

Don't forget the cissexism.

[Bundesdeutschland]

I may not favor racism, but it shouldn't be a chargeable offense. This would be a violation of the freedom of speech within the United States. And yes, I'm American.

[Opuntia]

And ageism, lookism, mentalism, rankism, sexualism, sizeism and weightism.

The fact remains that it will always be highly abused if we ban discrimination in general.

Don't forget the cissexism.

Luv said that already, luv.

[Saveyou Island]

This would be a violation of the freedom of speech within the United States.

Great... now... outside the US?

[Arumdaum]

I'm pretty sure most, if not all of us, hold some racist feelings or thoughts, which we may or may not be ashamed to hold.

Speak for yourself.

[New Chalcedon]

Now, the last thing we need is a bunch of over sensitive idiots who take everything as offensive to start suing people. But, should undeniable racism be a chargeable offense? Hate crimes invoking murder, rape, theft, etc. could all be caused by racism (a general statement, all cases are different and completely unrelated to each other and don't always involve racism or anything of the like).

Should racism be charge able offense?
If so,
Should it be just a fine
Jail time?
Both?

If not, why?

I think it could but it would be abused by over sensitive idiots.

I don't agree with hate speech laws, period. If hate speech approaches the point of incitement to violence, there's already a crime for that.

Now, racially/sexually/religiously motivated hatred as an aggravating factor on other charges, that's a different story. But hate speech laws amount to censorship, given that their ostensible purpose (to shut down attempts to incite hatred against minorities) is generally already covered under the law.

[New Chalcedon]

This would be a violation of the freedom of speech within the United States.

Great... now... outside the US?

Most Western countries have either an explicit or implicit right to freedom of speech in their constitutional setup.

[Jamjai]

No, that would be going too far

[Cameroi]

we "should" all be perfect little angels. but as krishnamurti pointed out, there is a slight problem with that word "should".

[Des-Bal]

we "should" all be perfect little angels. but as krishnamurti pointed out, there is a slight problem with that word "should".

Which is why we can't outlaw murder.

[Cameroi]

we "should" all be perfect little angels. but as krishnamurti pointed out, there is a slight problem with that word "should".

Which is why we can't outlaw murder.

no. but it is why we can't expect outlawing murders to prevent them from happening. only people never wanting to kill each other can do that.

and in a culture that did not romantacize nor reward aggressiveness, a LOT fewer people would want to.

certainly AT LEAST as many fewer, as the prospect of probable punishment.

[Des-Bal]

no. but it is why we can't expect outlawing murders to prevent them from happening. only people never wanting to kill each other can do that.

and in a culture that did not romantacize nor reward aggressiveness, a LOT fewer people would want to.

certainly AT LEAST as many fewer, as the prospect of probable punishment.

So we can apparently outlaw something even if it won't stop the behavior we've outlawed?

[Quackquackhonk]

sure.

Thank you, you totally made me rethink my position.

your welcome.