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Postby Altarak » Wed Sep 11, 2013 1:34 am

The fuck......
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Postby Aurora Novus » Wed Sep 11, 2013 1:34 am

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:
Aurora Novus wrote:So we're just going to ignore the latter half of my post then?

I'm not saying Capoeira is the best, most effective of martial arts. I'm not denying it's flashiness. But it is most definitely a form of martial art.

Calling capoeira a martial art seems as sane as calling soy a source of estrogen. We must use a rather wide definition, and such wide definitions aren't useful imo.


How is it using a "wide definition"?
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Postby Saiwania » Wed Sep 11, 2013 1:58 am

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:Calling capoeira a martial art seems as sane as calling soy a source of estrogen. We must use a rather wide definition, and such wide definitions aren't useful imo.


Capoeira and Tai Chi are martial arts in my view, because to exclude them would mean to arbitrarily exclude certain styles which still use some form of fighting, such as the various animal styles of Kung Fu that are Chinese in origin.

The 3 main classifications of martial arts that I go by are classical, sport, and combat arts.

Classical forms are traditional styles which were specific to a particular culture or historical era such as Karate or Tae Kwon Do.
Combat sports are updated or modern versions of martial arts which are now practiced primarily for fitness or sport such as Judo or Kickboxing.
Then you have the combat arts which were actually designed for military purposes or effective combat such as Krav Maga or Sambo.

With regards to 23% of men in certain Asian countries admitting to rape, I think the problem might be even worse in Africa; but I could be wrong.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Wed Sep 11, 2013 8:40 am

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Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:Calling capoeira a martial art seems as sane as calling soy a source of estrogen. We must use a rather wide definition, and such wide definitions aren't useful imo.


Capoeira and Tai Chi are martial arts in my view, because to exclude them would mean to arbitrarily exclude certain styles which still use some form of fighting, such as the various animal styles of Kung Fu that are Chinese in origin.

The 3 main classifications of martial arts that I go by are classical, sport, and combat arts.

Classical forms are traditional styles which were specific to a particular culture or historical era such as Karate or Tae Kwon Do.
Combat sports are updated or modern versions of martial arts which are now practiced primarily for fitness or sport such as Judo or Kickboxing.
Then you have the combat arts which were actually designed for military purposes or effective combat such as Krav Maga or Sambo.

With regards to 23% of men in certain Asian countries admitting to rape, I think the problem might be even worse in Africa; but I could be wrong.

Sounds like you'd call fencing a "martial art".
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Postby Zottistan » Wed Sep 11, 2013 8:47 am

Well, that's absolutely disgusting.
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Postby Freelanderness » Wed Sep 11, 2013 9:12 am

Aurora Novus wrote:
Freelanderness wrote:It's not about forcing them to be in a relationship. It's about forcing them to do things that you want, by using something they are significantly emotionally invested in, and threatening it.


Which is not unreasonable in all situations, in particular, your involvement in a relationship with them.

I understand what it is you are saying. I'm saying it's not unreasonable to make such a threat, and therefore, I would not call sex under such pretense rape.

Only if the threat is unreasonable or unjustified would I call it rape. Any other definition, and you've only left me to conclude that not all rape is wrong nor should all rape be punishable. Which really muddies the issue.

Just so we're clear, you think it's reasonable to threaten the end of a relationship if one partner says they don't want to have sex tonight?
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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed Sep 11, 2013 9:22 am

The Parkus Empire wrote:Sounds like you'd call fencing a "martial art".

Traditionally, fencing is considered a European martial art, in the purest sense of the word (A codified tradition of combat practice).
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Wed Sep 11, 2013 9:28 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:Sounds like you'd call fencing a "martial art".

Traditionally, fencing is considered a European martial art, in the purest sense of the word (A codified tradition of combat practice).

Classical fencing could probably be considered a martial art in that sense. Anyone who considers Olympic style fencing a martial art is just trying to sound grandiose, it's not any more of martial art than tennis is.
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Postby The Merchant Republics » Wed Sep 11, 2013 9:28 am

Norstal wrote:
The Merchant Republics wrote:I... What. Fuck no.

Ugh. Just ugh.

What is wrong with you Asia...

I don't even know what there is to say.

-High poverty rates in certain places. check
-Lacking in education in certain places. Check
-Composed of more than 50% of Earth's population. Check

Really don't know what you people are expecting here.


True, but that's a quarter of the male population.

That's just sick.

I guess I just expected more of any person no matter the socioeconomic climate.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Wed Sep 11, 2013 9:50 am

The Merchant Republics wrote:
Norstal wrote:-High poverty rates in certain places. check
-Lacking in education in certain places. Check
-Composed of more than 50% of Earth's population. Check

Really don't know what you people are expecting here.


True, but that's a quarter of the male population.

That's just sick.

I guess I just expected more of any person no matter the socioeconomic climate.

Yeah, just because you're in a shit economic situation doesn't mean you have to be okay with rape.
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Not to say that vigilantism is inherently a good thing, but rape culture exists regardless of economic status,, you see it in very wealthy neighborhoods and social spheres.
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Postby Terra Sector Union » Wed Sep 11, 2013 9:51 am

Underground rape culture is frightening.
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Postby Des-Bal » Wed Sep 11, 2013 9:52 am

Terra Sector Union wrote:Underground rape culture is frightening.


I'm not a geographologist (as demonstrated by my use of the word geographology) but I'm fairly certain Asia is on top of the ground.
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Postby Furious Grandmothers » Wed Sep 11, 2013 4:57 pm

I was agreeing with Aurora that a person can explicitly verbally express consent to sex without being coerced, psychologically or otherwise, while not wanting sex at the same time. I'm using the definition of consent from http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/consent. His rationale behind this stance, however, is fucking creepy.
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Postby Cameroi » Wed Sep 11, 2013 5:23 pm

there is no direct link between forcable sex, and murder and physical maming. only when sexuality is repressed, does repressing it, create such an apearant link.

the western world has been thoroughly brainwashed in this regard, by fanatical "religious" interests.
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Postby Arumdaum » Wed Sep 11, 2013 5:28 pm

Olthar wrote:Well, I'm certainly going to stay away from Asia. :?

"parts of Asia and one part that isn't even Asia"

Either way, Asia is basically nothing more than those in Eurasia who're excluded from being considered as 'European.'
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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Wed Sep 11, 2013 5:35 pm

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Olthar wrote:Well, I'm certainly going to stay away from Asia. :?

"parts of Asia and one part that isn't even Asia"

Either way, Asia is basically nothing more than those in Eurasia who're excluded from being considered as 'European.'

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Postby New England and The Maritimes » Wed Sep 11, 2013 7:59 pm

Freelanderness wrote:
Aurora Novus wrote:
Which is not unreasonable in all situations, in particular, your involvement in a relationship with them.

I understand what it is you are saying. I'm saying it's not unreasonable to make such a threat, and therefore, I would not call sex under such pretense rape.

Only if the threat is unreasonable or unjustified would I call it rape. Any other definition, and you've only left me to conclude that not all rape is wrong nor should all rape be punishable. Which really muddies the issue.

Just so we're clear, you think it's reasonable to threaten the end of a relationship if one partner says they don't want to have sex tonight?

Well, see, this is why nobody takes relationship advice from children. Children tend to have ridiculous ideas.
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Postby Wikkiwallana » Wed Sep 11, 2013 10:15 pm

Cameroi wrote:there is no direct link between forcable sex, and murder and physical maming. only when sexuality is repressed, does repressing it, create such an apearant link.

the western world has been thoroughly brainwashed in this regard, by fanatical "religious" interests.

In English, please?
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Postby Aurora Novus » Thu Sep 12, 2013 3:56 am

Freelanderness wrote:
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Which is not unreasonable in all situations, in particular, your involvement in a relationship with them.

I understand what it is you are saying. I'm saying it's not unreasonable to make such a threat, and therefore, I would not call sex under such pretense rape.

Only if the threat is unreasonable or unjustified would I call it rape. Any other definition, and you've only left me to conclude that not all rape is wrong nor should all rape be punishable. Which really muddies the issue.

Just so we're clear, you think it's reasonable to threaten the end of a relationship if one partner says they don't want to have sex tonight?


Yes, because it is perfectly justifiable and within their right to do so.

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Thu Sep 12, 2013 4:33 am

That is terrible and sickening, especially entertainment being one of the main motivations for it.
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Postby Aquafireland » Thu Sep 12, 2013 4:36 am

Well, admitting to rape...hmm...not exactly the smartest thing to do.

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Postby Aquafireland » Thu Sep 12, 2013 4:36 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:That is terrible and sickening, especially entertainment being one of the main motivations for it.

Entertainment?

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Postby Great Kleomentia » Thu Sep 12, 2013 4:43 am

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