23% of men in parts of Asia admit to rape

[Freelanderness]

The statistics are incredibly similar here.

Oh look, sexual violence is a problem. omG

[Parhe]

I have examined it, and before I can argue it I need to know what definition you're using.

Do you, or do you not, think lack of desire is equatable to lack of consent?

You don't need me to answer that question.

Not that I am arguing against you or him, just reiterating what I said before, but in a way I feel that are not exactly equal depending on wording and how people receive the message. I can not want something but at the same time consent to it because I may want the trade off, such as a medical shot. Of course then it can be argued that can be considered wanting it. I feel it depends on what wanting means. Does wanting mean just wanting that thing only and nothing else or wanting a "reward" or whatever from doing it. Shots for example again, I don't really want to be poked by a sharp needle itself, but I want the immunization it may give.

[The Parkus Empire]

I have examined it, and before I can argue it I need to know what definition you're using.

Do you, or do you not, think lack of desire is equatable to lack of consent?

You don't need me to answer that question.

I think saying, "I do not want to have sex with you," is very much a lack of consent. If someone says, "I do not want to have sex with you, but I won't resist," that's rape, yes.

[Aurora Novus]

I think saying, "I do not want to have sex with you," is very much a lack of consent. If someone says, "I do not want to have sex with you, but I won't resist," that's rape, yes.

Similarly, do you believe that saying "I don't want you to drive my car, but I won't stop you" constitutes theft? And does "I don't want to stop for a burger, but I won't resist" constitute abduction?

[Disserbia]

This is horrible. Every day I lose more and more respect for humanity.
There is so much potential out there, but then people go and do shit like this.

Losing faith is not an option.

[Christmahanikwanzikah]

"The second most common motivation reported was to rape as a form of entertainment, so for fun or because they were bored."

Now that's just sickening.

Doin' it rong.

[Yes Im Biop]

Vain hope.

We have to remember, Asia is a BIG place, and holds....what percentage of the human population?
60 percent?

No, More like 15%

[The Parkus Empire]

I think saying, "I do not want to have sex with you," is very much a lack of consent. If someone says, "I do not want to have sex with you, but I won't resist," that's rape, yes.

Similarly, do you believe that saying "I don't want you to drive my car, but I won't stop you" constitutes theft? And does "I don't want to stop for a burger, but I won't resist" constitute abduction?

I do believe that, "I don't want you to take my wallet, but I won't resist," constitutes theft.

[Blasveck]

We have to remember, Asia is a BIG place, and holds....what percentage of the human population?
60 percent?

No, More like 15%

China and India combined is almost a third, if I'm not mistaken.

[Aurora Novus]

Similarly, do you believe that saying "I don't want you to drive my car, but I won't stop you" constitutes theft? And does "I don't want to stop for a burger, but I won't resist" constitute abduction?

I do believe that, "I don't want you to take my wallet, but I won't resist," constitutes theft.

I disagree.

If someone wants to borrow money from me, and I say "I don't want you to take my wallet...but I won't resist if you do", that is not theft. That is me saying "I'd rather you didn't take the money from my wallet, but if you do, I guess it's alright".

Also, you're ignoring the other analogy I provided.

A lack of desire does not constitute a lack of consent. A lack of consent would be taking the wallet after someone expressly stated "No, do not take my wallet". And even then, depending on the context, I still wouldn't call taking the wallet "theft".

Similarly, a wife saying "I don't want to have sex" is not the same as her saying "No, I will not have sex".

[Olthar]

Well, I'm certainly going to stay away from Asia.

[NERVUN]

I do believe that, "I don't want you to take my wallet, but I won't resist," constitutes theft.

I disagree.

If someone wants to borrow money from me, and I say "I don't want you to take my wallet...but I won't resist if you do", that is not theft. That is me saying "I'd rather you didn't take the money from my wallet, but if you do, I guess it's alright".

Also, you're ignoring the other analogy I provided.

A lack of desire does not constitute a lack of consent. A lack of consent would be taking the wallet after someone expressly stated "No, do not take my wallet". And even then, depending on the context, I still wouldn't call taking the wallet "theft".

Similarly, a wife saying "I don't want to have sex" is not the same as her saying "No, I will not have sex".

Sorry Charlie, but lack of resistance doesn't mean auto-concent.

[Freelanderness]

Well, I'm certainly going to stay away from Asia.

It's everywhere, hon.

[Gigaverse]

...

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I need a purge. NOW.

[Freelanderness]

If a lack of resistance implies consent, then why is paedophilia a crime?

[Mystis land]

Places such as Thailand

Thailand has about the worst child sex trafficking problem in the world, so yeah.

You do realise child sex trafficking happens even in what we like to believe as the perfect Western world.

[NERVUN]

If a lack of resistance implies consent, then why is paedophilia a crime?

Er, it's not? Child molestation is.

[Olthar]

Well, I'm certainly going to stay away from Asia.

It's everywhere, hon.

D:

[Aurora Novus]

I disagree.

If someone wants to borrow money from me, and I say "I don't want you to take my wallet...but I won't resist if you do", that is not theft. That is me saying "I'd rather you didn't take the money from my wallet, but if you do, I guess it's alright".

Also, you're ignoring the other analogy I provided.

A lack of desire does not constitute a lack of consent. A lack of consent would be taking the wallet after someone expressly stated "No, do not take my wallet". And even then, depending on the context, I still wouldn't call taking the wallet "theft".

Similarly, a wife saying "I don't want to have sex" is not the same as her saying "No, I will not have sex".

Sorry Charlie, but lack of resistance doesn't mean auto-concent.

It's a good thing that wasn't my claim then.

[NERVUN]

Sorry Charlie, but lack of resistance doesn't mean auto-concent.

It's a good thing that wasn't my claim then.

Oh? "I don't want you to take my wallet...but I won't resist if you do", that is not theft." That reads exactly like it. If I'm not fighting, it's ok. Which is bull.

[Mystis land]

Have you ever had sex with your partner when you knew she didn't want to but you thought she should agree because she's your wife/ partner?

I'm not sure that this qualifies as rape.

Other than that, though, these findings are quite disturbing.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but having sex with your partner when they don't want it ...even begging them and making them feel bad so they have sex with you IS RAPE. Rape is when you have sex with someone who hasn't given full consent...and even if they give consent to start off with and they decide they don't want to continue half way through but you continue anyway that is also RAPE.
Rape messes you up and the worst kind of rape is from someone you love. My ex used to rape me. I would say no but he would hassle me and hassle me until I said okay. Several times he would ask me to get into a position I didn't want too and when I said 'I don't want too' he would force me too. That was rape. Rape is rape. You don't own the other person. Nobody owns nobody.

[Aurora Novus]

It's a good thing that wasn't my claim then.

Oh? "I don't want you to take my wallet...but I won't resist if you do", that is not theft." That reads exactly like it.

No, it doesn't. You're taking a highly specific situation, and assuming I'm making some broad statement by giving my views on that specific situation.

You will recall, the specific situation that I said was not theft was one wherein I offered to lend someone money, and they went to take it from my wallet. I had given them permission to take the money they wished to take. I would rather they didn't just go and take it from my wallet, as I don't particularly like it when people just go and touch my things...but I won't protest if they do. It might just be easier and quicker. It's not a big deal.

I'm not being robbed if they take the money (that I have given permission for them to take) out of my wallet, instead of bringing my wallet to me, and having me give it to them myself.

If I'm not fighting, it's ok. Which is bull.

In some situations, yes.

But in some, no, it's perfectly fine. It depends on the situation. If I say "I don't really want to stop for hamburgers...but whatever", I'm not being abducted if the group of people I'm with stop for hamburgers.

My claim has never been that a lack of resistance equates to auto-consent. My position has been, and continues to be, that a lack of desire does not mean a lack of consent. They are not the same position.

[Aurora Novus]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but having sex with your partner when they don't want it ...even begging them and making them feel bad so they have sex with you IS RAPE.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but no, it's not.

Rape is when you have sex with someone who hasn't given full consent

Indeed.

...and even if they give consent to start off with and they decide they don't want to continue half way through but you continue anyway that is also RAPE.

Which is not the point of contention. The point of contention is whether or not a lack of desire equates to a lack of consent. And, of course, it doesn't.

My ex used to rape me. I would say no but he would hassle me and hassle me until I said okay.

Sorry, that's not rape, and you are doing a diservice to rape victims everywhere by acting like you have been raped.

Several times he would ask me to get into a position I didn't want too and when I said 'I don't want too' he would force me too. That was rape.

Define "force". Because if by "force" you mean "asked me repeatedly until I said alright", that's not rape, nor "forcing" by any rational sense of the term.

[Raktio]

THE EIGHT I'D REALLY RATHER YOU DIDN'TS

1. I'd Really Rather You Didn't Act Like A Sanctimonious Holier-Than-Thou Ass When Describing My Noodly Goodness. If Some People Don't Believe In Me, That's Okay. Really, I'm Not That Vain. Besides, This Isn't About Them So Don't Change The Subject.

2. I'd Really Rather You Didn't Use My Existence As A Means To Oppress, Subjugate, Punish, Eviscerate, And/Or, You Know, Be Mean To Others. I Don't Require Sacrifices, And Purity Is For Drinking Water, Not People.

3. I'd Really Rather You Didn't Judge People For The Way They Look, Or How They Dress, Or The Way They Talk, Or, Well, Just Play Nice, Okay? Oh, And Get This Through You Thick Heads: Woman=Person, Man=Person. Samey-Samey. One is Not Better Than The Other, Unless We're Talking About Fashion And I'm Sorry, But I Gave That To Women And Some Guys Who Know The Difference Between Teal And Fuchsia.

4. I'd Really Rather You Didn't Indulge In Conduct That Offends Yourself, Or Your Willing, Consenting Partner Of Legal Age AND Mental Maturity. As For Anyone Who Might Object, I Think The Expression Is Go F*** Yourself, Unless They Find That Offensive In Which Case They Can Turn Off The TV For Once And Go For A Walk For A Change.

5. I'd Really Rather You Didn't Challenge The Bigoted, Misogynist, Hateful Ideas Of Others On An Empty Stomach. Eat, Then Go After The B*******.

6. I'd Really Rather You Didn't Build multi million-Dollar Churches/Temples/Mosques/ Shrines To My Noodly Goodness When The Money Could Be Better Spent (Take Your Pick): A. Ending Poverty B. Curing Diseases C. Living In Peace, Loving With Passion, And Lowering The Cost Of Cable. I Might Be A Complex Carbohydrate Omniscient Being, But I Enjoy The Simple Things In Life. I Ought To Know. I AM The Creator.

7. I'd Really Rather You Didn't Go around Telling People I Talk To you. You're Not That Interesting. Get Over Yourself. And I Told You To Love Your Fellow Man, Can't You Take A Hint?

8. I'd Really Rather You Didn't Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You If You Are Into, Um, Stuff That Uses Alot Of Leather/Lubrication/Las Vegas. If The Other Person Is Into It However (Pursuant To #4), Then Have At It, Take Pictures, And For The Love Of Mike, Wear A CONDOM! Honestly It's A Piece Of Rubber, If I Didn't Want It To Feel Good When You Did It I Would Have Added Spikes, Or Something.

Asians could use a few more Pastafarians, it would likely reduce the rape amount. (If they chose to actually follow The Eight I'd Rather You Didn'ts)

[NERVUN]

Oh? "I don't want you to take my wallet...but I won't resist if you do", that is not theft." That reads exactly like it.

No, it doesn't. You're taking a highly specific situation, and assuming I'm making some broad statement by giving my views on that specific situation.

You will recall, the specific situation that I said was not theft was one wherein I offered to lend someone money, and they went to take it from my wallet. I had given them permission to take the money they wished to take. I would rather they didn't just go and take it from my wallet, as I don't particularly like it when people just go and touch my things...but I won't protest if they do. It might just be easier and quicker. It's not a big deal.

I recall Parkus said differently, you might have imagined everything else to make it a-ok, but that is not what was said. You're very much trying to add in excuse after excuse after excuse.

I'm not being robbed if they take the money (that I have given permission for them to take) out of my wallet, instead of bringing my wallet to me, and having me give it to them myself.

You are however being robbed if they just take the money even after you say you don't want to lend it to them. That's the point.

If I'm not fighting, it's ok. Which is bull.

In some situations, yes.

But in some, no, it's perfectly fine. It depends on the situation. If I say "I don't really want to stop for hamburgers...but whatever", I'm not being abducted if the group of people I'm with stop for hamburgers.

Yeah, see there's a large difference between "I'm not really in the mood tonight, but whatever" and "I don't want to." To take your analogy further, you are if you state, "No, really, I don't want to. Let me out." and they don't.

My claim has never been that a lack of resistance equates to auto-consent. My position has been, and continues to be, that a lack of desire does not mean a lack of consent. They are not the same position.

Good for you, however again you're adding in layers to make the original question lean your way, layers that were not there.