23% of men in parts of Asia admit to rape

[Saveyou Island]

Then they're allowing them to do so, which means giving consent.

. My point is the survey tried to equate "lack of desire" to "lack of consent". Which is false.

No it didn't, it clearly said that the other partner did not give her consent.

[Frisivisia]

Personally, I think we should castrate all men. Who's with me?

[Saveyou Island]

Personally, I think we should castrate all men. Who's with me?

No. Just no. Not even funny.
Because you just put the thought of getting castrated in my mind.

[Frisivisia]

Personally, I think we should castrate all men. Who's with me?

No. Just no. Not even funny.

I thought it was pretty funny.

[Aurora Novus]

. My point is the survey tried to equate "lack of desire" to "lack of consent". Which is false.

No it didn't, it clearly said that the other partner did not give her consent.

No, it didn't. I've posted the quote, word for word, three times now. I'll post it again for you.

Men were asked questions like:

Have you ever had sex with your partner when you knew she didn't want to but you thought she should agree because she's your wife/ partner?

That is not clearly saying the other partner did not give consent. That is merely stating she did not want to. It's conflating "lack of desire" with "lack of consent".

[Saveyou Island]

No. Just no. Not even funny.

I thought it was pretty funny.

See the part I added.

[Saveyou Island]

No it didn't, it clearly said that the other partner did not give her consent.

No, it didn't. I've posted the quote, word for word, three times now. I'll post it again for you.

That is not clearly saying the other partner did not give consent. That is merely stating she did not want to. It's conflating "lack of desire" with "lack of consent".

No it's saying that the man said "Screw her opinion shes my wife" and raped her.

[Frisivisia]

I thought it was pretty funny.

See the part I added.

I did. You've never thought about castration before? Are you like twelve?

[Aurora Novus]

...I just answered it. Literally in the post you just quoted. Unless I'm missing something, you're asking me to justify my distinction between "wanting/liking" something, and "consenting" to something. Well...there it is. Right there. You just quoted it.

No, you did not. You said what you think giving consent is, but you did not illustrate what you think not giving consent is.

Ah.

Well, unless you're trying to make some point here, I don't see how that's relevant.

[The Rich Port]

I suspect this is an issue for self proclaimed feminists to address after they've finally defeated the benign rape joke.

Tee-fucking-hee. Your strawman is so funny I forgot to laugh.

I didn't know this was a thing, nor would anybody have been able to until the survey results were published.

[Saveyou Island]

See the part I added.

I did. You've never thought about castration before? Are you like twelve?

I never said I didn't.

[Zumreed]

This might not be accurate at all....

[Des-Bal]

Tee-fucking-hee. Your strawman is so funny I forgot to laugh.

I didn't know this was a thing, nor would anybody have been able to until the survey results were published.

How is it a strawman? My friend if you didn't realize the extend of sexism and rape culture extended beyond the odd jocular references within western society prior to this survey being published I pity you.

[Frisivisia]

I did. You've never thought about castration before? Are you like twelve?

I never said I didn't.

Then it shouldn't be such a new, scary concept.

[Saveyou Island]

I never said I didn't.

Then it shouldn't be such a new, scary concept.

It's still unpleasant to think about, even if I've thought of it before.

[Mizrah]

Different peoples have different cultures have different views. It is what it is.

So, are you saying rape is fucking acceptable in other cultures?
What... Please tell me I misunderstood that...

If it is accepted as regular or commonplace in another culture, then leave it be. If the people of that culture don't like it, they'll change it.

If it is accepted as regular or commonplace in another culture, then do something about it.

It all boils down to respecting other people's culture.

[Aurora Novus]

No, it didn't. I've posted the quote, word for word, three times now. I'll post it again for you.




That is not clearly saying the other partner did not give consent. That is merely stating she did not want to. It's conflating "lack of desire" with "lack of consent".

No it's saying that the man said "Screw her opinion shes my wife" and raped her.

No, it's not. The wording is quite clear for you. It's posted, there. Right above your post.

According to the quote, the following scenario is rape:

1) Husband suggests sex.
2) Wife declines.
3) Husband requests again, noting they are spouses, and uses some form of reasoning that appeals to this.
4) Wife changes her mind and decides she will have sex with him, though reaffirming she doesn't particularly want to, but is willing to if it will make him happy.


According to the wording of the question, that's rape.

[Frisivisia]

Then it shouldn't be such a new, scary concept.

It's still unpleasant to think about, even if I've thought of it before.

Sorry for talking about things and forcing you to look at my words and think about them.

[Saveyou Island]

It's still unpleasant to think about, even if I've thought of it before.

Sorry for talking about things and forcing you to look at my words and think about them.

I don't like thinking. It leads to death.

[The Rich Port]

Tee-fucking-hee. Your strawman is so funny I forgot to laugh.

I didn't know this was a thing, nor would anybody have been able to until the survey results were published.

How is it a strawman? My friend if you didn't realize the extend of sexism and rape culture extended beyond the odd jocular references within western society prior to this survey being published I pity you.

Oh, take your shitty routine to a downtown bombers' dive bar where it belongs: in the gutter.

[Saveyou Island]

No it's saying that the man said "Screw her opinion shes my wife" and raped her.

No, it's not. The wording is quite clear for you. It's posted, there. Right above your post

According to the quote, the following scenario is rape:

1) Husband suggests sex.
2) Wife declines.
3) Husband requests again, noting they are spouses, and uses some form of reasoning that appeals to this.
4) Wife changes her mind and decides she will have sex with him, though reaffirming she doesn't particularly want to, but is willing to if it will make him happy.


According to the wording of the question, that's rape.

That's...not at all what the question states...

[Frisivisia]

Sorry for talking about things and forcing you to look at my words and think about them.

I don't like thinking. It leads to death.

Why don't you go think about that for a while?

[Saveyou Island]

So, are you saying rape is fucking acceptable in other cultures?
What... Please tell me I misunderstood that...

If it is accepted as regular or commonplace in another culture, then leave it be. If the people of that culture don't like it, they'll change it.

If it is accepted as regular or commonplace in another culture, then do something about it.

It all boils down to respecting other people's culture.

"People of culture A rape so it's all good!"
Yeah. No.

[The Republic of Llamas]

So, are you saying rape is fucking acceptable in other cultures?
What... Please tell me I misunderstood that...

If it is accepted as regular or commonplace in another culture, then leave it be. If the people of that culture don't like it, they'll change it.

If it is accepted as regular or commonplace in another culture, then do something about it.

It all boils down to respecting other people's culture.

But we don't have to respect the woman? So, you're basically saying that a tradition is worth more than a human being. In that case, slavery should never have been outlawed in the US because it was part of the South's culture.

Also, it's not considered OK in Asia. I'd assume that it's related to Asia's higher poverty rate and the fact that police aren't very well-funded.

[Saveyou Island]

I don't like thinking. It leads to death.

Why don't you go think about that for a while?

I'm not. I'd die.