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Is Sex Ed a good idea in Kindergarten?

Poll ended at Wed Sep 18, 2013 5:10 pm

Yes
101
20%
No
266
54%
Possibly
67
14%
Sex Ed should be taught by the parents, not teachers.
59
12%
 
Total votes : 493

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Postby Blasveck » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:36 pm

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:
Blasveck wrote:Waaaaaaay too personal there, bud.

Don't see how a fact of life of everybody may be personal but fine. lol


Nobody really needs to know.

Or cares.
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Postby Autocratic Jiedushi » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:36 pm

The Union of the West wrote:First two are sexual. So yea that's not a good arguement. Last two are about cleanliness. Not a problem for me.

Me neither, but after watching this conversation I think I'll have to try it.

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Postby Anachronous Rex » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:38 pm

Kistan wrote:
Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:Bad sex ed is not the same thing as good sex ed. And good sex ed is better than bad sex ed and no sex ed at all. Stop playing hard to get.

WE DON'T NEED TO GO IN DEPTH ON FORESKINS IN CLASS FOR A WHOLE 5 minutes.

By contrast, you've wasted how many minutes pointlessly bitching about it on this thread?
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Postby Autocratic Jiedushi » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:38 pm

Anachronous Rex wrote:You've never used a public restroom?

Squat over the toilet.

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Postby Anachronous Rex » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:39 pm

Autocratic Jiedushi wrote:
Anachronous Rex wrote:You've never used a public restroom?

Squat over the toilet.

Fuck that. This isn't China.
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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:39 pm

Kistan wrote:
Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:Bad sex ed is not the same thing as good sex ed. And good sex ed is better than bad sex ed and no sex ed at all. Stop playing hard to get.

WE DON'T NEED TO GO IN DEPTH ON FORESKINS IN CLASS FOR A WHOLE 5 minutes.

Just chill off and it gets very awesome, just like history, biology, geography or sociology.

I found it pleasurable to ~voluntarily~ firm a dildo while my best friend (coincidentally, also coincidentally that I had a crush on him) putted a condom after the reverse failed "accidentally" to happen.
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Postby Kistan » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:40 pm

Avenio wrote:
Note as well that he's also stopped responding to the posts of mine and TS' that had well-supported data in them.

Like you guys ignored me once I gave good arguments?
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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:41 pm

Blasveck wrote:Nobody really needs to know.

Or cares.

Anarchronous Rex answered me without complaining. Did you ask him if he was disturbed by it?
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Postby Kistan » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:41 pm

Anachronous Rex wrote:
Kistan wrote:WE DON'T NEED TO GO IN DEPTH ON FORESKINS IN CLASS FOR A WHOLE 5 minutes.

By contrast, you've wasted how many minutes pointlessly bitching on this thread?

Less than you?
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Postby Avenio » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:42 pm

Kistan wrote:
Avenio wrote:
Note as well that he's also stopped responding to the posts of mine and TS' that had well-supported data in them.

Like you guys ignored me once I gave good arguments?


A bunch of unquantifiable anecdotes, chest-thumping proclamations of virtue and whinging about the fact that looking at and talking about genitals makes you uncomfortable are not 'good arguments'.
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Postby Autocratic Jiedushi » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:42 pm

Anachronous Rex wrote:Fuck that. This isn't China.

They adopted capitalism, we should adopt squating toilets.

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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:43 pm

Anachronous Rex wrote:
Autocratic Jiedushi wrote:Squat over the toilet.

Fuck that. This isn't China.

Actually squatting is much healthier for your rectum and anus.

Using a small thingy below your feet to make your thighs enter an angle of 35°C with your collumn, you can at the same time achieve this and one of the primest comforts of Western civilization, the toilet bowl.
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Postby Autocratic Jiedushi » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:45 pm

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:You can at the same time achieve this and one of the primest comforts of Western civilization, the toilet bowl.

Doesn't say a lot for western civilization.

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Postby Kistan » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:46 pm

Avenio wrote:
Kistan wrote:Like you guys ignored me once I gave good arguments?


A bunch of unquantifiable anecdotes and chest-thumping proclamations of virtue are not 'good arguments'.

I'm not trying to take the moral high ground. I'm bitching about sex Ed and Common core because I'm not one of the morons who will never have to go through it themselves and are unaccountable. :)
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Postby Kistan » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:47 pm

Autocratic Jiedushi wrote:
Anachronous Rex wrote:Fuck that. This isn't China.

They adopted capitalism, we should adopt squating toilets.

They are not true capitalists. The govt. still has absolute power.
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Postby Souseiseki » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:48 pm

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The Union of the West wrote:Really? Its ineffective? Explain to me how I can get an STD without having sex.


Blood transfusions. Coming into contact with infected feces. Sharing needles, razors, toothbrushes, etc.


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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:51 pm

Souseiseki wrote:
Ramenasia wrote:
Blood transfusions. Coming into contact with infected feces. Sharing needles, razors, toothbrushes, etc.

comedy option: being born

Even greater comedy option: newborn-to-newborn transmission by the incubator.

That is how I had candidiasis. :blush:
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Postby Blasveck » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:51 pm

Kistan wrote:
Autocratic Jiedushi wrote:They adopted capitalism, we should adopt squating toilets.

They are not true capitalists. The govt. still has absolute power.


No nation has ever been "truly capitalist"
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Postby Autocratic Jiedushi » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:51 pm

Kistan wrote:They are not true capitalists. The govt. still has absolute power.

They're corporatist like the U.S. except that they aren't trying to kill themselves wholesale. Individualist capitalism is currently outmoded, even if I am not entirely opposed to it.
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Postby Kistan » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:56 pm

Well, wish I could stay, but I can only be in one tab at a time on my iPhone. I'm paying attention to my latest RP now. Good luck with the chaos.
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Postby Dazchan » Mon Sep 09, 2013 1:08 am

So basically a school district in the US is doing what schools in Australia have done for decades, and now the world is going to end?

Children should learn the names of the parts of their bodies. They should learn what appropriate and inappropriate contact is. They should learn what to do should somebody make them feel uncomfortable.

Adults should not tune out at the word "sex" and assume that they're being taught about coitus without actually bothering to learn what the cirriculum really covers.
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Postby Wikipedia and Universe » Mon Sep 09, 2013 1:17 am

We've had this thread before at least once, perhaps more, and the conclusion has always been that the proposed curriculum for kindergarten "sex education" contains nothing a reasonable person would consider controversial or inappropriate for that age group. All serious proposals I've seen for teaching K-12 sex education are based on very logical tiered systems, but a lot of people just see the phrase "sex ed" and immediately jump to conclusions. I'm really starting to tire of these intellectually dishonest folk who can't be bothered to read a story past its title before they start propagating ridiculous moral panics.
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Postby Agritum » Mon Sep 09, 2013 1:40 am

The Union of the West wrote:
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When I was in tenth grade we had health classes in which we were made to watch movies of people with syphilis and gonorrhea. Sores, blindness, no hair, horror.

What effect did it have?

Our small city continued to lead the state in the rate of teen pregnancies.

Interesting. Sex ed definitely works.

More than the abstinence only methods presumably used in God-fearing South.

Teen pregnancy rates in the US

Teen STD rates in the US

Did I add that high teen pregnancy rates usually correlate with high abortion rates, too?
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Postby Baltikum » Mon Sep 09, 2013 1:45 am

the main thing on a kids mind in kindergarten is
1. If he/she should eat all that glue.
2. that boys/girls are icky and have cooties.
3. and when they get to eat and play.

Way too young to even be taught sexual education, when you don't know the world outside kindergarten.
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Postby Agritum » Mon Sep 09, 2013 2:05 am

Baltikum wrote:the main thing on a kids mind in kindergarten is
1. If he/she should eat all that glue.
2. that boys/girls are icky and have cooties.
3. and when they get to eat and play.

Way too young to even be taught sexual education, when you don't know the world outside kindergarten.

I think that the goal of education (and parenting, for that matter) is to prepare the child to become a fully functional member of the "outside world", A.K.A. Society.

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