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Is Sex Ed a good idea in Kindergarten?

Poll ended at Wed Sep 18, 2013 5:10 pm

Yes
101
20%
No
266
54%
Possibly
67
14%
Sex Ed should be taught by the parents, not teachers.
59
12%
 
Total votes : 493

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Postby Torcularis Septentrionalis » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:04 pm

Blasveck wrote:
The Union of the West wrote:And again, that doesn't make it okay.


The only objectivity you're ever going to get is within math and science.

Everything else is personal interpretation.

Uh, no, science is part of the liberal agenda, too.
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Postby Blasveck » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:04 pm

Kistan wrote:
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So is teaching kids that LGBT people exist a bad thing or something?

I'm confused as to why you haven't answered this question.

It isn't bad, it's not necessary. I want to learn something I can use, not try to avoid looking at pornography shown by some volunteer students from college who admit to being "former" drug users.

That's what's happening now in school.


Source?
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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:04 pm

Kistan wrote:
Blasveck wrote:So is teaching kids that LGBT people exist a bad thing or something?

I'm confused as to why you haven't answered this question.

It isn't bad, it's not necessary. I want to learn thing I can use, not try to avoid looking at pornography shown by some volunteer students from college who admit to being "former" drug users.

That's what's happening now in school.

You have fucking horrible methods of education then.

There are good ways in which sexual diversity (an essential component to the comprehensive teaching of sexual education) can be presented in its own adequate time.
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Postby The Union of the West » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:04 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Blasveck wrote:
How does one say that LGBT people are "good" or "bad"?

"LBGT people's lifestyle/sexuality/etc is or is not okay"

Basically this. I think I may have been a little less politically correct about it.
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Postby Blasveck » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:05 pm

The Union of the West wrote:
Blasveck wrote:
How does one say that LGBT people are "good" or "bad"?

Well,
Saying "All gay people go to Hell" is saying they're bad.
Saying "Gay marriage should be legal" is saying they're good.


Saying "Gay Marriage should be legal" should be a non-partisan, all-in-agreement deal.

But that isn't the topic at hand.
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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:06 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Blasveck wrote:How does one say that LGBT people are "good" or "bad"?

"LBGT people's lifestyle/sexuality/etc is or is not okay"

"Yeah, be depressed, self-hating and lonely because I can't stand you doing the nastie ewwwww, it is better for you guize"
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Postby The Union of the West » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:06 pm

Blasveck wrote:
The Union of the West wrote:And again, that doesn't make it okay.


The only objectivity you're ever going to get is within math and science.

Everything else is personal interpretation.

Ermahgerd! This Algebra offends me! Numbers and letters should not be allowed to associate!
But science can be biased: Evolution, Creationism.
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Postby Ramenasia » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:07 pm

Kistan wrote:
Ramenasia wrote:I don't believe either gender studies or political correctness are covered under sex education. Puberty, anatomy, STDs, contraception. That's all there is to this topic.

Are you still in school? If you're older than 17, then I have a more recent(and relevant) experience.


Please describe what they covered under their LGBT part of sex ed. I don't see why combining the two would make sense, except in the context of learning about HIV/AIDS.
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Postby Anachronous Rex » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:07 pm

The Union of the West wrote:
Blasveck wrote:
The only objectivity you're ever going to get is within math and science.

Everything else is personal interpretation.

Ermahgerd! This Algebra offends me! Numbers and letters should not be allowed to associate!
But science can be biased: Evolution, Creationism.

One of those is not science.
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Postby Avenio » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:07 pm

The Union of the West wrote:I assumed its goal, if any, would be to reduce STD's.

http://www.ashasexualhealth.org/std-sti ... stics.html

Not working.


The goal in sex education is to reduce unwanted pregnancies as well, which it most certainly does, in addition to lowering STI rates in places that put said policies in place.

As well, the problem also becomes a matter of demographics, not just sex education v. abstinence only. Particularly considering that those populations most at risk for STI transmission are, consistently, those populations with the poorest education and socioeconomic background. When one never receives sex education at all, whether because of abstinence-only policies or poor education, the STI infection rates go up. This isn't hard.
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Postby The Union of the West » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:07 pm

Blasveck wrote:
The Union of the West wrote:Well,
Saying "All gay people go to Hell" is saying they're bad.
Saying "Gay marriage should be legal" is saying they're good.


Saying "Gay Marriage should be legal" should be a non-partisan, all-in-agreement deal.

But that isn't the topic at hand.

It's still forcing a form of "morality" on someone.
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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:08 pm

The Union of the West wrote:But science can be biased: Accurate Proven Truth, Obvious Fake Jihadist Bullshit.

Fix'd.
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Postby Kistan » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:08 pm

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:
Kistan wrote:It isn't bad, it's not necessary. I want to learn thing I can use, not try to avoid looking at pornography shown by some volunteer students from college who admit to being "former" drug users.

That's what's happening now in school.

You have fucking horrible methods of education then.

There are good ways in which sexual diversity (an essential component to the comprehensive teaching of sexual education) can be presented in its own adequate time.

I'm in one of the top 10 voted public schools in America. I'm not saying which because i'm mildly paranoid.
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Postby Blasveck » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:09 pm

The Union of the West wrote:
Blasveck wrote:
Saying "Gay Marriage should be legal" should be a non-partisan, all-in-agreement deal.

But that isn't the topic at hand.

It's still forcing a form of "morality" on someone.


And any and all forms of media, education, films, literature, politics, art, etc. don't?
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Postby The Union of the West » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:09 pm

Anachronous Rex wrote:
The Union of the West wrote:Ermahgerd! This Algebra offends me! Numbers and letters should not be allowed to associate!
But science can be biased: Evolution, Creationism.

One of those is not science.

They're both still different opinions of different people, and schools should not be biased towards either.
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Postby Blasveck » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:09 pm

The Union of the West wrote:
Anachronous Rex wrote:One of those is not science.

They're both still different opinions of different people, and schools should not be biased towards either.


Evolution is a fact.

Creationism is not.

Try again.
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Postby Kistan » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:09 pm

Blasveck wrote:
Kistan wrote:It isn't bad, it's not necessary. I want to learn something I can use, not try to avoid looking at pornography shown by some volunteer students from college who admit to being "former" drug users.

That's what's happening now in school.


Source?

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Postby The Union of the West » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:10 pm

Blasveck wrote:
The Union of the West wrote:It's still forcing a form of "morality" on someone.


And any and all forms of media, education, films, literature, politics, art, etc. don't?

They do. But media, films, literature, and art are not government run.
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Postby Blasveck » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:10 pm

Kistan wrote:
Blasveck wrote:
Source?

MY MEMORIES FROM TWO DAYS AGO.


So now every school is like that?

All X = Y?
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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:10 pm

Kistan wrote:I'm in one of the top 10 voted public schools in America. I'm not saying which because i'm mildly paranoid.

I pity the fact that I had a better bad quality middle school (funded by some random stealing neoliberal government) experimental sex ed than you had a tested final line one pretending to adequately serve a good quality education place.
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Postby Anachronous Rex » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:10 pm

Avenio wrote:
The Union of the West wrote:I assumed its goal, if any, would be to reduce STD's.

http://www.ashasexualhealth.org/std-sti ... stics.html

Not working.


The goal in sex education is to reduce pregnancies as well, which it most certainly does.

As well, the problem also becomes a matter of demographics, not just sex education v. abstinence only. Particularly considering that those populations most at risk for STI transmission are, consistently, those populations with the poorest education and socioeconomic background. When one never receives sex education at all, whether because of abstinence-only policies or poor education, the STI infection rates go up. This isn't hard.

And, again, you won't stop the papilloma virus unless you vaccinate against it, because most of the adult population has it, and condoms don't always protect against it.

If you've had sex with two or more people, chances are you do too. Even if you can't see it.

So vaccinate your kids! It's the only way we're going to beat this thing.
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Postby Escasia » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:11 pm

The Union of the West wrote:
Anachronous Rex wrote:One of those is not science.

They're both still different opinions of different people, and schools should not be biased towards either.


Schools should be teaching demonstrably true things to our children. We don't go around trying not to be biased against flat-earthers in our education system.
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Postby Blasveck » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:11 pm

The Union of the West wrote:
Blasveck wrote:
And any and all forms of media, education, films, literature, politics, art, etc. don't?

They do. But media, films, literature, and art are not government run.


But they still have bias.

So they're obviously evil and wrong.
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Postby Kistan » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:11 pm

Blasveck wrote:
Kistan wrote:MY MEMORIES FROM TWO DAYS AGO.


So now every school is like that?

All X = Y?

Common Core.
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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:11 pm

The Union of the West wrote:
Anachronous Rex wrote:One of those is not science.

They're both still different opinions of different people, and schools should not be biased towards either.

It is funny how in Brazil we prefer to go by "no one teaches stupid, no one teaches bullshit" and things work!
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