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Is Sex Ed a good idea in Kindergarten?

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Yes
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No
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Possibly
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Sex Ed should be taught by the parents, not teachers.
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Postby The Union of the West » Sun Sep 08, 2013 8:52 pm

Ramenasia wrote:Preserving childhood innocence is not the reason we have schools. Sex education should begin as early as possible so that children can be informed about an important topic and be more comfortable with who they are.

Everyone knows schools are for indoctrination........
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Postby Liriena » Sun Sep 08, 2013 8:52 pm

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Liriena wrote:An authoritarian ideology can never be "liberal".

That being said, on the topic of this thread, my opinion is that this is not a bad idea in principle, but I fail to see why it would be necessary.

It was more of a "be tolerant or die" liberalism.

If this were the topic of the thread, I'd ask for more details.
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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Sun Sep 08, 2013 8:53 pm

The Union of the West wrote:
Ramenasia wrote:Preserving childhood innocence is not the reason we have schools. Sex education should begin as early as possible so that children can be informed about an important topic and be more comfortable with who they are.

Everyone knows schools are for indoctrination........

Both of my parents are communists, teachers, and I am more free to have my own beliefs, choices and lifestyle than 99.9% of people of my generation around me. And that's a lot, given I'm not from 'Murrica.

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Postby Liriena » Sun Sep 08, 2013 8:53 pm

Torcularis Septentrionalis wrote:
Liriena wrote:An authoritarian ideology can never be "liberal".

That being said, on the topic of this thread, my opinion is that this is not a bad idea in principle, but I fail to see why it would be necessary.

So that children don't blame themselves for being sexually abused and are capable of reporting their abusers? And so that we can start to stop having a society that thinks words like "Penis" and "vulva" are "dirty words"?

...those do sound like good reasons.

I approve.

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Ramenasia wrote:Preserving childhood innocence is not the reason we have schools. Sex education should begin as early as possible so that children can be informed about an important topic and be more comfortable with who they are.

Everyone knows schools are for indoctrination........

I do hope you are being sarcastic? :eyebrow:
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Postby The Union of the West » Sun Sep 08, 2013 8:55 pm

Liriena wrote:
Torcularis Septentrionalis wrote:So that children don't blame themselves for being sexually abused and are capable of reporting their abusers? And so that we can start to stop having a society that thinks words like "Penis" and "vulva" are "dirty words"?

...those do sound like good reasons.

I approve.

The Union of the West wrote:Everyone knows schools are for indoctrination........

I do hope you are being sarcastic? :eyebrow:

Sort of, but it does happen.
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Postby Liriena » Sun Sep 08, 2013 8:55 pm

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:
The Union of the West wrote:Everyone knows schools are for indoctrination........

Both of my parents are communists, teachers, and I am more free to have my own beliefs, choices and lifestyle than 99.9% of people of my generation around me. And that's a lot, given I'm not from 'Murrica.

-_-

Heck I was raised by a reactionary family in conservative schools and I still turned out to be a green liberal that likes idealist socialists and communists.
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Postby The Union of the West » Sun Sep 08, 2013 8:56 pm

Liriena wrote:
Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:Both of my parents are communists, teachers, and I am more free to have my own beliefs, choices and lifestyle than 99.9% of people of my generation around me. And that's a lot, given I'm not from 'Murrica.

-_-

Heck I was raised by a reactionary family in conservative schools and I still turned out to be a green liberal that likes idealist socialists and communists.

I was raised by socially conservative, economically liberal parents. I'm a paleoconservative.
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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Sun Sep 08, 2013 8:59 pm

The Union of the West wrote:
Liriena wrote:Heck I was raised by a reactionary family in conservative schools and I still turned out to be a green liberal that likes idealist socialists and communists.

I was raised by socially conservative, economically liberal parents. I'm a paleoconservative.

Chances were you were indoctrinated by your family rather than the system. Just saying.
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Postby The Union of the West » Sun Sep 08, 2013 9:00 pm

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:
The Union of the West wrote:I was raised by socially conservative, economically liberal parents. I'm a paleoconservative.

Chances were you were indoctrinated by your family rather than the system. Just saying.

Not really. We rarely discussed politics. I developed my own opinions.
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Postby Ramenasia » Sun Sep 08, 2013 9:03 pm

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Ramenasia wrote:Preserving childhood innocence is not the reason we have schools. Sex education should begin as early as possible so that children can be informed about an important topic and be more comfortable with who they are.

Everyone knows schools are for indoctrination........


Indoctrinating students with sex education? I'm curious as to how that would work.
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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Sun Sep 08, 2013 9:05 pm

The Union of the West wrote:
Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:Chances were you were indoctrinated by your family rather than the system. Just saying.

Not really. We rarely discussed politics. I developed my own opinions.

We are ALWAYS heavily influenced by the environment.

The fact you weren't politicized just proves further that perhaps you absorbed your family's beliefs about society and the world without having critical thinking over their views. Learning to be critical rather than learning to be progressive is what every school should teach.

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Postby Great Britonia » Sun Sep 08, 2013 9:08 pm

Yea, lets get Kindergarter-blech to learn Sex already instead of when they begin puberty, since at this stage, they don't have a sex drive at all.
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Postby Torcularis Septentrionalis » Sun Sep 08, 2013 9:10 pm

Great Britonia wrote:Yea, lets get Kindergarter-blech to learn Sex already instead of when they begin puberty, since at this stage, they don't have a sex drive at all.

Read the article.
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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Sun Sep 08, 2013 9:10 pm

Seems fine by me.
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Postby The Union of the West » Sun Sep 08, 2013 9:12 pm

Ramenasia wrote:
The Union of the West wrote:Everyone knows schools are for indoctrination........


Indoctrinating students with sex education? I'm curious as to how that would work.

I know I will get attacked for this (even though I haven't attacked anyone): Telling them that its okay to have sex with someone of the same gender or someone they aren't married to.
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Postby Torcularis Septentrionalis » Sun Sep 08, 2013 9:12 pm

The Union of the West wrote:
Ramenasia wrote:
Indoctrinating students with sex education? I'm curious as to how that would work.

I know I will get attacked for this (even though I haven't attacked anyone): Telling them that its okay to have sex with someone of the same gender or someone they aren't married to.

Both of those things are okay.
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Postby The Union of the West » Sun Sep 08, 2013 9:15 pm

Torcularis Septentrionalis wrote:
The Union of the West wrote:I know I will get attacked for this (even though I haven't attacked anyone): Telling them that its okay to have sex with someone of the same gender or someone they aren't married to.

Both of those things are okay.

Which is your opinion and schools shouldn't teach opinions.
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Postby Blasveck » Sun Sep 08, 2013 9:16 pm

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Torcularis Septentrionalis wrote:Both of those things are okay.

Which is your opinion and schools shouldn't teach opinions.


It's a reality-based opinion.
You can't stop people from having sex.

Might as well go with the flow.
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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Sun Sep 08, 2013 9:17 pm

The Union of the West wrote:
Ramenasia wrote:
Indoctrinating students with sex education? I'm curious as to how that would work.

I know I will get attacked for this (even though I haven't attacked anyone): Telling them that its okay to have sex with someone of the same gender or someone they aren't married to.

:palm: :palm: :palm:

You are judging as abnormal both the way my parents made me come into existence and a powerful demonstration of shared love and affection of the kind of relationship I most longed and were successful in for my live.

Just when I said how much problem I have for the culture of my country who thinks historically putting young teens to have relations with prostitutions is a compensating or good way of prevention the "ill" of the "deviant" same-sex attractions and relationships. When clearly the teen-prostitute relationships are very inherently abusive, and in most times (given how it was generally done by fears of [perpetual] homosexuality), akin to rape.

It IS a way of attacking me.
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Postby The Union of the West » Sun Sep 08, 2013 9:17 pm

Blasveck wrote:
The Union of the West wrote:Which is your opinion and schools shouldn't teach opinions.


It's a reality-based opinion.
You can't stop people from having sex.

Might as well go with the flow.

It's the way things are so that makes it okay?
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Postby Torcularis Septentrionalis » Sun Sep 08, 2013 9:18 pm

The Union of the West wrote:
Torcularis Septentrionalis wrote:Both of those things are okay.

Which is your opinion and schools shouldn't teach opinions.

Well then you also can't tell them not to or that it is wrong.
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Postby Saveyou Island » Sun Sep 08, 2013 9:18 pm

Blasveck wrote:
The Union of the West wrote:Which is your opinion and schools shouldn't teach opinions.


It's a reality-based opinion.
You can't stop people from having sex.

Might as well go with the flow.

What direction is the flow heading towards?
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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Sun Sep 08, 2013 9:19 pm

The Union of the West wrote:
Blasveck wrote:It's a reality-based opinion.
You can't stop people from having sex.

Might as well go with the flow.

It's the way things are so that makes it okay?

There's no secular reason whatsoever to why those relationships should be wrong.

And religion is a private matter.
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Postby Blasveck » Sun Sep 08, 2013 9:21 pm

The Union of the West wrote:
Blasveck wrote:
It's a reality-based opinion.
You can't stop people from having sex.

Might as well go with the flow.

It's the way things are so that makes it okay?


Its the way things have always been, for the entirety of human existence.

People are going to have sex, whether you like it or not.

Unless you want to invade everyone's privacy by implanting a chip or whatever to let you know if they're having sex or not, you can't stop it.
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Postby The Union of the West » Sun Sep 08, 2013 9:22 pm

Torcularis Septentrionalis wrote:
The Union of the West wrote:Which is your opinion and schools shouldn't teach opinions.

Well then you also can't tell them not to or that it is wrong.

Exactly. So the only way to do niether is to refrain from sex ed in schools.
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