Sex education in Kindergarten?

[Tsuntion]

Why, you ask? I can tell you.

It is quite unhumane to actually teach toddlers sex education at that similar age. It would ruin their entire childhood with the topic in mind, giving them opportunities to actually watch porn and do other sexually related activities under the age of ten. That is pretty weird.

That's not what's being proposed. At all. Please read the article.

They will learn about body parts, and about bullying, and about family structures, and about abuse. They won't actually learn about sex.

At that certain age, all a child needs to learn is the simple body parts like fingers, hands, toes etc. Now if you want them to learn something else apart from that, I can say that you are going a bit too fast.

"Penis" is a simple body part as much as "mouth" is.

Just think about it. I give you the question: Would you want your child to learn information about such a mature topic at that age?

Yes, definitely. Very very definitely. Why? Because I was fucking abused as a kid and having the good touch/bad touch talk when I was that age could have stopped it.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

THat's ALL they're teaching them!
"Boys have penises, girls have vaginas. If someone touches you there, tell an adult."
THAT'S IT.
Read. THe. Article.

mmm mmm, I ain't readin all dat shit

"wat, u want mi 2 reed b4 forming stoopid uh-pin-yuns?"

[Aquafireland]

For your information, I have not read the article. What is so precious in that little article of yours that would destroy the argument entirely?

BECAUSE THEY AREN'T TEACHING SEX ED TO KINDERGARTENERS.
If you would read the damn article you would know that.
The OP is just reactionary bullshit.

I had knowledge from the start that they were not teaching sex-ed to kindergartners. If they had been, it would have been all over the news, and I would have heard about it. I am just saying that if it happens in the future, it would be a huge problem. All I am doing is arguing against the fact of any school in any country teach sex-ed.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

BECAUSE THEY AREN'T TEACHING SEX ED TO KINDERGARTENERS.
If you would read the damn article you would know that.
The OP is just reactionary bullshit.

I had knowledge from the start that they were not teaching sex-ed to kindergartners. If they had been, it would have been all over the news, and I would have heard about it. I am just saying that if it happens in the future, it would be a huge problem. All I am doing is arguing against the fact of any school in any country teach sex-ed.

Then it has nothing to do with the topic at hand and you are only confusing people.

[Farnhamia]

BECAUSE THEY AREN'T TEACHING SEX ED TO KINDERGARTENERS.
If you would read the damn article you would know that.
The OP is just reactionary bullshit.

I had knowledge from the start that they were not teaching sex-ed to kindergartners. If they had been, it would have been all over the news, and I would have heard about it. I am just saying that if it happens in the future, it would be a huge problem. All I am doing is arguing against the fact of any school in any country teach sex-ed.

A different topic entirely and one on which you are free to start a new thread.

[United Martains]

First of all, kindergarteners are still learning basic social, literal and numerical skills. Teaching them about sex would crowd their mind and take away learning time from things that matter that matter at that age.
Secondly, most kindergarteners have no idea what sex is. Tell them what it is, and they'll probably try it. Not such a good idea.

[Aquafireland]

Why, you ask? I can tell you.

It is quite unhumane to actually teach toddlers sex education at that similar age. It would ruin their entire childhood with the topic in mind, giving them opportunities to actually watch porn and do other sexually related activities under the age of ten. That is pretty weird.

That's not what's being proposed. At all. Please read the article.

They will learn about body parts, and about bullying, and about family structures, and about abuse. They won't actually learn about sex.

At that certain age, all a child needs to learn is the simple body parts like fingers, hands, toes etc. Now if you want them to learn something else apart from that, I can say that you are going a bit too fast.

"Penis" is a simple body part as much as "mouth" is.

Just think about it. I give you the question: Would you want your child to learn information about such a mature topic at that age?

Yes, definitely. Very very definitely. Why? Because I was fucking abused as a kid and having the good touch/bad touch talk when I was that age could have stopped it.

Well, that person that abused you as a kid is pretty darn stupid if you ask me.

All you need to tell a kid is: "If a grown up comes to you and tries to make a grab for you, don't let the person do it and tell an adult before it actually happens". See? Easy as that.

[Aquafireland]

First of all, kindergarteners are still learning basic social, literal and numerical skills. Teaching them about sex would crowd their mind and take away learning time from things that matter that matter at that age.
Secondly, most kindergarteners have no idea what sex is. Tell them what it is, and they'll probably try it. Not such a good idea.

I entirely agree with this guy.

[Free Sahara]

...different family dynamics.

You mean why Peter has two fathers and John only one. And why Peter's fathers made the right choice, because adults can choose to marry whoever they want. Also, because it doesn't matter if parents marry a boy or a girl? That kind of things?

[Vitaphone Racing]

...different family dynamics.

You mean why Peter has two fathers and John only one. And why Peter's fathers made the right choice, because adults can choose to marry whoever they want. Also, because it doesn't matter if parents marry a boy or a girl? That kind of things?

Yeah. Are you implying that this isn't a good idea?

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

That's not what's being proposed. At all. Please read the article.

They will learn about body parts, and about bullying, and about family structures, and about abuse. They won't actually learn about sex.



"Penis" is a simple body part as much as "mouth" is.



Yes, definitely. Very very definitely. Why? Because I was fucking abused as a kid and having the good touch/bad touch talk when I was that age could have stopped it.

Well, that person that abused you as a kid is pretty darn stupid if you ask me.

All you need to tell a kid is: "If a grown up comes to you and tries to make a grab for you, don't let the person do it and tell an adult before it actually happens". See? Easy as that.

And what about when they don't "make a grab for you" and it's actually their cousin or uncle who tries to convince them then touching between the legs is normal and fun and okay?
Do I need to repost the story of how my mother went through 7 years of hell and rape, and how they convinced her it was ok and they ruined her life? No one had told her that touching between the legs was wrong.

[Aquafireland]

I had knowledge from the start that they were not teaching sex-ed to kindergartners. If they had been, it would have been all over the news, and I would have heard about it. I am just saying that if it happens in the future, it would be a huge problem. All I am doing is arguing against the fact of any school in any country teach sex-ed.

A different topic entirely and one on which you are free to start a new thread.

I am solely sorry if this possibly sounds rude, but all I was doing was replying to a post against me, which stood fully on topic. Just saying.

[Ashmoria]

Someone who prefers to keep children educated and capable of recognizing threats of abuse and the likes, rather than keeping them sheltered and dangerously uninformed.

Kindergarten seems a bit early, though.

not its not.

those kindergarteners should have already been taught this stuff at home well before they were old enough for school.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

First of all, kindergarteners are still learning basic social, literal and numerical skills. Teaching them about sex would crowd their mind and take away learning time from things that matter that matter at that age.
Secondly, most kindergarteners have no idea what sex is. Tell them what it is, and they'll probably try it. Not such a good idea.

1. Read the article.
2. You're wrong on many counts.

[Dyakovo]

You didn't read the article then... Good to know.

Surprisingly, that has already been addressed.

Good to know you don't pay attention, or don't choose to.

Lol... To be expected from you.

[Dragonic Outland]

First of all, kindergarteners are still learning basic social, literal and numerical skills. Teaching them about sex would crowd their mind and take away learning time from things that matter that matter at that age.
Secondly, most kindergarteners have no idea what sex is. Tell them what it is, and they'll probably try it. Not such a good idea.

Well, to include the understanding of topics such as bullying, the correct names for external body parts and the difference between appropriate and inapprorpiate touching into playing with plasticine and building blocks, I am pretty sure there is nothing wrong. No time is wasted in fact.

[Esternial]

Surprisingly, that has already been addressed.

Good to know you don't pay attention, or don't choose to.

Lol... To be expected from you.

Seriously, Dya. I know we're discussing Kindergartens but don't turn this into one.

For fuck's sake.

[Tsuntion]

First of all, kindergarteners are still learning basic social, literal and numerical skills. Teaching them about sex would crowd their mind and take away learning time from things that matter that matter at that age.
Secondly, most kindergarteners have no idea what sex is. Tell them what it is, and they'll probably try it. Not such a good idea.

It's a good thing that's not what they're doing, then, isn't it.

And what about when they don't "make a grab for you" and it's actually their cousin or uncle who tries to convince them then touching between the legs is normal and fun and okay?
Do I need to repost the story of how my mother went through 7 years of hell and rape, and how they convinced her it was ok and they ruined her life? No one had told her that touching between the legs was wrong.

Thank you.

[Aquafireland]

Well, that person that abused you as a kid is pretty darn stupid if you ask me.

All you need to tell a kid is: "If a grown up comes to you and tries to make a grab for you, don't let the person do it and tell an adult before it actually happens". See? Easy as that.

And what about when they don't "make a grab for you" and it's actually their cousin or uncle who tries to convince them then touching between the legs is normal and fun and okay?
Do I need to repost the story of how my mother went through 7 years of hell and rape, and how they convinced her it was ok and they ruined her life? No one had told her that touching between the legs was wrong.

Number one, yes, you do need to repost the story due to the fact that I had no knowledge that your mother was sexually abused when she was small. My respect.

And number two, if ANYONE touches you, even your own mother or father, you shouldn't let them do that to you. They should understand that, shouldn't they?

[Dragonic Outland]

And number two, if ANYONE touches you, even your own mother or father, you shouldn't let them do that to you. They should understand that, shouldn't they?

Children at the age would likely placed all their trust into the people that brought him/her into existence, isn't it?

[Esternial]

And number two, if ANYONE touches you, even your own mother or father, you shouldn't let them do that to you. They should understand that, shouldn't they?

They shouldn't, aye.

But it still happens. Those children do need to recognise that what their parents are doing is wrong and find a way to tell someone they can trust about it, like a teacher.

Usually the children themselves don't realise the harm in it until it's too late, since they're their parents and there's a very firm bond of trust, so they should be taught that it is.

[Tsuntion]

And number two, if ANYONE touches you, even your own mother or father, you shouldn't let them do that to you. They should understand that, shouldn't they?

They don't understand that. They won't unless someone tells them. An abuser can convince you that it's this special game which isn't wrong or strange but it is a secret and you shouldn't tell anyone and your own reservations are silly so just cooperate now like a good little child. That's why this education is so important.

[Farnhamia]

I'm pretty sure that's not legal in America. Just FYI.

It is. I loved playing with them, Still do. Never been burnt by em.

*** Warned for inappropriate comments ***

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

And what about when they don't "make a grab for you" and it's actually their cousin or uncle who tries to convince them then touching between the legs is normal and fun and okay?
Do I need to repost the story of how my mother went through 7 years of hell and rape, and how they convinced her it was ok and they ruined her life? No one had told her that touching between the legs was wrong.

Number one, yes, you do need to repost the story due to the fact that I had no knowledge that your mother was sexually abused when she was small. My respect.

And number two, if ANYONE touches you, even your own mother or father, you shouldn't let them do that to you. They should understand that, shouldn't they?

You clearly don't understand a thing about abuse. A child most likely will be abused by someone they love and trust deeply. And when their parent, the person they put every ounce of trust in, is the one knuckle deep inside of them, telling them, "See, it's fun. Mommy likes it when I do this to her, too." do you know what they do? Nothing. They have no fucking clue what to do, because they have been told all their lives that parental authority is top dog and nothing matters more than listening to mommy and daddy, and they have no knowledge that what is happening is wrong and illegal. Then they blame themselves for what's happening, and stop being able to trust.

BUT TORC, HOW COULD YOU?

How could I support teaching a child the names of their body parts and that people shouldn't touch them?
Yes, how could I support that when my mother was being raped at 5 years old and didn't know it was wrong, and it continued for seven years because by the time she found out it was wrong, they had mutilated her soul so far that she couldn't tell? And when she threatened to tell when she was nine years old, they threatened to rape my aunt, who was an infant? And how could I support it when my mother, at the age of twelve, when she finally, finally told someone what had been happening to her for seven years, downed an entire bottle of prescription pain killers and tried to kill herself?
I wonder how I could support such a thing!

[Aquafireland]

And number two, if ANYONE touches you, even your own mother or father, you shouldn't let them do that to you. They should understand that, shouldn't they?

Children at the age would likely placed all their trust into the people that brought him/her into existence, isn't it?

You do have a point, but they would see a difference between them touching them in those places and them touching them on their normal body parts.

Parents doing that to their children is utterly disgusting. If you think that is normal, are you saying that you are disgusting too?