Transgender-ism and Pronouns

[Dakini]

Of course it isn't acceptable to call anyone an "it" (unless they really want to be called an "it"). When referring to a trans* person (or any person, really), one should use their preferred pronoun.

Why it has taken the mods more than two weeks to come to a decision on this is beyond me. Maybe it's the same reason they decided that suggesting to brand trans* people wasn't trolling.

[Keronians]

Of course it isn't acceptable to call anyone an "it" (unless they really want to be called an "it"). When referring to a trans* person (or any person, really), one should use their preferred pronoun.

Why it has taken the mods more than two weeks to come to a decision on this is beyond me. Maybe it's the same reason they decided that suggesting to brand trans* people wasn't trolling.

Or why they didn't do anything about a child rapist for over 6 months.

[Bottle]

I seriously do not get what the big fucking deal is.

Every single female person I know who has gotten married in the last 5 years has changed her name. My friend was born Samantha Brickman, and then all of a sudden she was expecting me to call her Samantha Royce. Can you imagine? I had to remember a WHOLE NEW NAME for a person just because they arbitrarily decided they wanted to be called that! She wasn't BORN Samantha Royce! That's not what's on her birth certificate! How dare she expect to be referred to differently!

Somehow, I muddle through, though.

Dreadfully inconsiderate of her. She's probably a cultural marxist who's trying to bring down Western society.

I just find it hilarious that if I change my pronoun I'm a radical liberal homosexualist destroyer of Society, and if I refuse to change my surname I am also a radical liberal homosexualist destroyer of Society.

[Luveria]

They should, obviously, carry the pronoun of 'beautiful'.

Distruzio knows best.

[Immoren]

Does Finland have oil?

No, but I heard they're using chemical weapons.

Only during Thursdays.

[Old Tyrannia]

Um....no?

Anybody who calls anybody "it" is a fucking douchebag.

We call animals "it", not people.

Humans are animals.

[Blekksprutia]

If you clicked "Yes," it was either ironic or ignorant.

[Bottle]

Of course it isn't acceptable to call anyone an "it" (unless they really want to be called an "it"). When referring to a trans* person (or any person, really), one should use their preferred pronoun.

Why it has taken the mods more than two weeks to come to a decision on this is beyond me. Maybe it's the same reason they decided that suggesting to brand trans* people wasn't trolling.

These things must be dealt with thoughtfully. Like how if I wanted to refer to all black persons with the "it" pronoun, I'm sure the mods would need to think very, very carefully because I might just be expressing the totally-valid-and-in-no-way-trolling alternate viewpoint that black persons are subhuman things, and they wouldn't want to make a rash ruling that might stifle my contributions to the valued discussion on these forums.

Either that or, ya know, the moderation on this topic is a giant hypocritical clusterfucktastrophe.

[Rocopurr]

Um....no?

Anybody who calls anybody "it" is a fucking douchebag.

We call animals "it", not people.

Humans are animals.

It is meant for objects and non-humans.

[Immoren]

Humans are animals.

It is meant for objects and non-humans.

Hard to believe that naming things doesn't follow biology.

[Blekksprutia]

Humans are animals.

It is meant for objects and non-humans.

Don't be speciesist.

[Conscentia]

Um....no?
Anybody who calls anybody "it" is a fucking douchebag.
We call animals "it", not people.

Humans are animals.

I said the exact same thing a few pages ago.

[Conscentia]

Humans are animals.

It is meant for objects and non-humans.

Human arrogance.

[Rocopurr]

It is meant for objects and non-humans.

Don't be speciesist.

It is meant for objects and non-humans.

Human arrogance.

May I get a "Human supremacist" medal, please?

[Distruzio]

Humans are animals.

I said the exact same thing a few pages ago.

Ah but we are not mere animals. What other animal is capable of abstract thought about things that do not exist, have not happened, could possibly happen, and death?

[Ostroeuropa]

I said the exact same thing a few pages ago.

Ah but we are not mere animals. What other animal is capable of abstract thought about things that do not exist, have not happened, could possibly happen, and death?

We don't know for sure.
There are suggestions that some dogs, dolphins, parrots, and apes are capable of those thoughts, based on their responses to tests.

Koko the sign-language ape is also aware of death and what it means for her etc.

[Uieurnthlaal]

I said the exact same thing a few pages ago.

Ah but we are not mere animals. What other animal is capable of abstract thought about things that do not exist, have not happened, could possibly happen, and death?

I don't know, but my best bet would be on dolphins.

[Conscentia]

Don't be speciesist.

Human arrogance.

May I get a "Human supremacist" medal, please?

There is no such medal.

I said the exact same thing a few pages ago.

Ah but we are not mere animals. What other animal is capable of abstract thought about things that do not exist, have not happened, could possibly happen, and death?

They are not inferior for evolving differently.
Several animals are capable of abstract thought. Not to the degree that humans can, but they are still capable.
Many animals seem to be able to understand death.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

During the discussion of Pvt. Manning the issue of pronouns and transgender issues came up. With some rather douchey members referring to Chelsea Manning as 'it'. So my question is is it acceptable to refer to someone who is transgender as 'it'?

My opinion is that it isn't acceptable.


Now lets see if we can reach a consensus on this issue faster that the Mods can.

Cute. Let's not troll. The thread in question has a lot more to it than this simply-answered bit - which offhand, is "no, you should not call anyone an 'it', regardless". Thank you for playing, have a nice day.

[Euroslavia]

No Hippo, the concept of gender identity has not changed as a part of some Marxist conspiracy; it has been changed because mental health professionals recognized that the previously used definitions were wrong.

Yeah, right. Cultural marxists and self-hating anti-white Western liberals had nothing to do with it. Nooo sir.

If gender identity disorder isn't a disorder, then pedophilia isn't either.

After an extensive review of this thread, I've bumped up the warning to a *** 3-day ban *** for extensive trolling.