Transgender-ism and Pronouns

[Ifreann]

Oh wow, how original! Truly you are a giant among thinkers, a great leader among philosophers. Please, share more of your wisdom with us, master.

Must you always be THIS sarcastic?

I don't have to be, but sometimes I can't help myself.

[Bezombia]

Has Hippo ever read any of the reports on how trans* folk tend to be happier when they identify as they want to and how many who are reassigned live happier after the surgery than before?

Because I have a feeling he hasn't.

Sure, I'd be a lot happier if I were an American.

But I'm not an American. I do not have US citizenship nor do I have an American passport.

That's a terrible analogy but lets go with it.

Is Arnold Schwarzenegger an American?

[Condunum]

Tumblr has more than SJW, you know. We have fandoms... And... Fandoms...

Anyway, I suppose. I mean, you can be a dog. It's a bit weird, and I feel it might be a result of some sort of traumatic experience in your life, but if it isn't then sure, whatever, be a dog.

But I'm not a dog, and I wouldn't be a dog even if I honestly believed I was, or even if I wore a dog costume everywhere or surgically gave myself fur or something. SJWs still have to do the mental gymnastics or accept me as a dog or I can call them bigots, right? And this applies to anything, right? I can say I'm a house plant, or a black woman, or a Polish train conductor or a package of CDs and they always need to accept that?

Well, sure. From a genetics standpoint, you won't be a dog until we can actually alter your DNA and morph you into one. And no, it wouldn't be necessary to call you a dog. Again, if it were something that was a result of a perfectly healthy personal preference, sure. You can be a dog. I just don't know how you could get that.

You can say you're anything, and sure, you'll be that to yourself. You just have to show how you're not being a ridiculous asshole making fun of trans* folk and actually are that.

[Southern Babylonia]

Society at large is struggling with whether to refer to transgendered people by their sex or by their identified gender. Calling them "it" is unacceptable.

Nope the 'it' thiing is well and truly mixed in there too given that many, rightly or wrongly, feel trans people are neither male nor female and as such they chose a neutral pronoun

The term "they" has been used to describe a single individual in the past. Why resort to referring to trans people as objects instead of saying "them"?

[Conscentia]

Hippo isn't stupid. He's entirely capable of sense.

No, he's not. He's capable of having opinions that we may occasionally agree with, but he isn't capable of sense. He never shows any capacity for such.

Just because you've never seen him make sense does not mean that he is not capable of making sense.

There are numerous reasons why smart people defend bad ideas.
Perhaps understanding is more effective than mockery? Or maybe I'm just crazy... Perhaps both.

[The Patriarchal States]

But I'm not a dog, and I wouldn't be a dog even if I honestly believed I was, or even if I wore a dog costume everywhere or surgically gave myself fur or something. SJWs still have to do the mental gymnastics or accept me as a dog or I can call them bigots, right? And this applies to anything, right? I can say I'm a house plant, or a black woman, or a Polish train conductor or a package of CDs and they always need to accept that?

Yes, this is literally and exactly what trans people want. Congratulations on being the first to solve the mystery.

So they don't have to? Now I'm confused, are there different factions of SJWs that think 'yes, you can be a dog' and 'no, you can't be a dog'? Where does the line come in?

Genuinely curious I've never met a transsexual.

[Nevanmaa]

Hippo isn't stupid. He's entirely capable of sense.

Poor logic is still logic, after all, and bad opinions are still opinions.

But comparing being trans to living in America is definitely a new one...

It's a good comparision.

I am not an American, and some transsexual who thinks that he's a female is not a female. Still, I'd be much happier if I was an American and he would be much happier if he was a female.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Yes, this is literally and exactly what trans people want. Congratulations on being the first to solve the mystery.

So they don't have to? Now I'm confused, are there different factions of SJWs that think 'yes, you can be a dog' and 'no, you can't be a dog'? Where does the line come in?

Genuinely curious I've never met a transsexual.

WUT?!

[Condunum]

No, he's not. He's capable of having opinions that we may occasionally agree with, but he isn't capable of sense. He never shows any capacity for such.

Just because you've never seen him make sense does not mean that he is not capable of making sense.

There are numerous reasons why smart people defend bad ideas.

And since I've never seen it, I have no reason to believe he's capable.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Just because you've never seen him make sense does not mean that he is not capable of making sense.

There are numerous reasons why smart people defend bad ideas.

And since I've never seen it, I have no reason to believe he's capable.

Well, to be honest Hippo doesn't make much sense.

Not that plenty of topics on NSG make much sense either. However, Hippo actually makes a point by consistently making a claim that has nothing to do with anything whatsoever when he slices it down.

[Conscentia]

Poor logic is still logic, after all, and bad opinions are still opinions.
But comparing being trans to living in America is definitely a new one...

It's a good comparision.
I am not an American, and some transsexual who thinks that he's a female is not a female. Still, I'd be much happier if I was an American and he would be much happier if he was a female.

Why not let him become a she?

[Condunum]

Poor logic is still logic, after all, and bad opinions are still opinions.

But comparing being trans to living in America is definitely a new one...

It's a good comparision.

I am not an American, and some transsexual who thinks that he's a female is not a female. Still, I'd be much happier if I was an American and he would be much happier if he was a female.

American is the term used to describe those who live in america. Male is a gender term, something you decide for yourself. Female is a gender term, something you decide for yourself. The simple fact that you cannot understand this means you're part of an archaic group of people who will either have to accept reality and live with the fact that they occasionally have to use different words sometimes in some places because OH GOD WE HAVE TO REFER TO PEOPLE BY WHAT THEY ARE NOT WHAT WE WANT TO CALL THEM.

And no, transfolk are not what YOU say they are. They are what THEY say they are. You are not the fucking master of their body. Otherwise, you are from here on out a pineapple.

[Lost heros]

Poor logic is still logic, after all, and bad opinions are still opinions.

But comparing being trans to living in America is definitely a new one...

It's a good comparision.

I am not an American, and some transsexual who thinks that he's a female is not a female. Still, I'd be much happier if I was an American and he would be much happier if he was a female.

As I said before, you can get American citizenship, just like a trans* person can become their preferred gender.

[Bezombia]

Tumblr has more than SJW, you know. We have fandoms... And... Fandoms...

Anyway, I suppose. I mean, you can be a dog. It's a bit weird, and I feel it might be a result of some sort of traumatic experience in your life, but if it isn't then sure, whatever, be a dog.

But I'm not a dog, and I wouldn't be a dog even if I honestly believed I was, or even if I wore a dog costume everywhere or surgically gave myself fur or something. SJWs still have to do the mental gymnastics or accept me as a dog or I can call them bigots, right? And this applies to anything, right? I can say I'm a house plant, or a black woman, or a Polish train conductor or a package of CDs and they always need to accept that?

1. If you managed to surgically become a dog, yes people would have to call you a dog or be biggoted.
2. To go more in-depth, it doesn't fucking matter if you think you're a dog or not. If you ARE a dog, whether or not you were born as a dog, then yes people should call you a dog.
C. That's a trainwreck of a thought process.
4. You can call people bigots no matter what. Doesn't mean they technically are.

[Nevanmaa]

It's a good comparision.
I am not an American, and some transsexual who thinks that he's a female is not a female. Still, I'd be much happier if I was an American and he would be much happier if he was a female.

Why not let him become a she?

Why not let me be an American?

Because I'm not an American he is not a female.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Poor logic is still logic, after all, and bad opinions are still opinions.

But comparing being trans to living in America is definitely a new one...

It's a good comparision.

I am not an American, and some transsexual who thinks that he's a female is not a female. Still, I'd be much happier if I was an American and he would be much happier if he was a female.

However, once they undergo sex transformation surgery they are perfectly capable of being such. Same as a person who was not an American before, by applying for citizenship, can become an American.

The fact you, in a subjective sense, doesn't accept her or him that way doesn't mean that, objectively, they are not the gender they transformed to.

Well, this was easy, I should go get a sandwich.

[Condunum]

Why not let him become a she?

Why not let me be an American?

Because I'm not an American he is not a female.

By your logic it is impossible for you to be an American. Praise the fucking lord.

[Lost heros]

Why not let him become a she?

Why not let me be an American?

Because I'm not an American he is not a female.

Yes she is, and yes you can be.

[Ifreann]

Yes, this is literally and exactly what trans people want. Congratulations on being the first to solve the mystery.

So they don't have to? Now I'm confused, are there different factions of SJWs that think 'yes, you can be a dog' and 'no, you can't be a dog'? Where does the line come in?

Genuinely curious I've never met a transsexual.

This isn't complicated. Gender identity, basically, is entirely in your head. Species isn't, skin colour isn't, nationality isn't, occupation isn't, and whether or not one is a package of CDs isn't.

So go ahead. Pretend you don't understand this perfectly simple thing so you can play at just asking questions. But don't be surprised if people get a less than stellar impression of your cognitive faculties.

[Bezombia]

Poor logic is still logic, after all, and bad opinions are still opinions.

But comparing being trans to living in America is definitely a new one...

It's a good comparision.

I am not an American, and some transsexual who thinks that he's a female is not a female. Still, I'd be much happier if I was an American and he would be much happier if he was a female.

See my other post on the matter.

If you, right now, moved to America, renounced your Finnish citizenship and became a sole American citizen, would you be an American?
The answer would universally be yes, because "American" just means "Someone who lives in America". Likewise, a Trans person can get gender reassignment surgery to become their preferred gender/sex*.

*I say this because I'm not 100% sure which one is which, so to avoid potential problems in my line of thought just assume that whatever one is correct is the one that I meant.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

So they don't have to? Now I'm confused, are there different factions of SJWs that think 'yes, you can be a dog' and 'no, you can't be a dog'? Where does the line come in?

Genuinely curious I've never met a transsexual.

This isn't complicated. Gender identity, basically, is entirely in your head. Species isn't, skin colour isn't, nationality isn't, occupation isn't, and whether or not one is a package of CDs isn't.

So go ahead. Pretend you don't understand this perfectly simple thing so you can play at just asking questions. But don't be surprised if people get a less than stellar impression of your cognitive faculties.

You REALLY had to explain this?

I mean, really, we have to explain this simple concept of personal image to people? Fucking seriously?

[Luveria]

Um....no?

Anybody who calls anybody "it" is a fucking douchebag.

We call animals "it", not people.

You're forgetting this is the lala land where it's douchey to call someone it unless they are trans. Then and only then it's not actionable according to the rulings!

[Southern Babylonia]

Poor logic is still logic, after all, and bad opinions are still opinions.

But comparing being trans to living in America is definitely a new one...

It's a good comparision.

I am not an American, and some transsexual who thinks that he's a female is not a female. Still, I'd be much happier if I was an American and he would be much happier if he was a female.

Have you fundamentally felt that you were an American since a young age? No.

Have trans people fundamentally felt that they were of the opposite sex from a young age? Yes.

If someone wants to swap genders, that's no more damaging to the whole of society from you relinquishing your Finnish passport, moving to America, acquiring citizenship etc.

[Edlichbury]

How do trans* folk break anything down? In what way can they not work in society that would make it fail, or even stutter? Oh, wait, they don't harm society at all. You just say they are and can never prove it.

This, my friend, is cultural marxism. What they're trying to deconstruct is the traditional roles of society that have existed for a millenia, and a good reason. If destroying the concept of gender is first, what's next? Races? National identities?

Oh damn, people will be judged based on what they provide for society instead of some random shit they had absolutely know control over! What a tragedy: actual meritocracy with no judgements based on family history!

But no, let's just proclaim women must stay in the kitchen, blacks have no rights, and trans* people don't get to exist as it would prevent your latent sexism. Because if there is anything America has stood for, it's standing by old policies that are proven to be infringing upon rights and refusing to change them based off of arbitrary "traditions," right?

Would Hippo lie to you?

[Divair]

So Hippo's not actually American.